Secu-Socialist war on Jesus Christ

[Mr.Canada]

CLANG!

Pulsebrained posts, yet again...

I posted a fact. There is more violence in public schools then Catholic and private ones. In Catholic school kids are taught from a young age how to behave in society, it's obvious our secular schools and its teachers don't do this. Teachers are too afraid to discipline students and public school Admins ignore the issue.

[WIP]

Hrm, all of these shootings and stabbings are happening at public schools but I'm sure that has nothing to do with it right?

Catholic schools teach respect and responsibility. Public schools teach whatever is popular with the NDP.

Or it might have nothing to do with your imagined superiority of catholic dogma! Maybe the reason why there are more troubles in the public system is because all ready overcrowded public schools are forced to accept new students in high growth areas where new immigrants are moving in. Couple that the fact that many of the children don't even speak english when they first arrive in Canada, and you got your explanation for the lower catholic school crime rate as well as their slight edge in student test scores.

On the other hand, a Catholic school right across the street from an overcrowded public school can refuse new admissions of non-catholics if they have already reached predetermined quotas.

Edited December 19, 2008 by WIP

[OddSox]

Or it might have nothing to do with your imagined superiority of catholic dogma! Maybe the reason why there are more troubles in the public system is because all ready overcrowded public schools are forced to accept new students in high growth areas where new immigrants are moving in. Couple that the fact that many of the children don't even speak english when they first arrive in Canada, and you got your explanation for the lower catholic school crime rate as well as their slight edge in student test scores.

Did you just say that new immigrants = higher crime?

[WIP]

One of the funnier things in this thread is the idea that Christianity alone is a target for us humanists.

Anybody who's been around for even a little while should be familiar with the ass-kicking Islam takes on this message board.

-k

And since many churches are working to re-establish theocracy , such as the Catholic Church, and want to form an alliance with Muslims to dismantle secularism and separation of church and state, maybe we should treat them as one and the same:

Vatican Thanks Muslims for Faith Return

[WIP]

Did you just say that new immigrants = higher crime?

It depends on where they're immigrating from, but yes there are some places in the world that should be treated like toxic waste dumps - especially if it's an area where civil strife and gang activity is part of the culture!

And before you start making assumptions about Jamaicans or Somalis etc., I'd like to point out that the most notable negative impact where I live (Hamilton), is not coming from "people of colour," but from white Eastern Europeans from Serbia, Croatia, Romania and some of the former Soviet Republics, where boys seem to take up drinking hard liquor at age 13 and move on to hard drug soon after! As soon as their numbers started to grow, they started forming gangs and trying to take over the high schools and downtown hangouts.

[M.Dancer]

I posted a fact.

You always post facts. The worthless pulsebrained erroneous variety.

Nows time to prove your fact.

There is more violence in public schools then Catholic and private ones.

Please atempt to source your dribble.

[Mr.Canada]

And since many churches are working to re-establish theocracy , such as the Catholic Church, and want to form an alliance with Muslims to dismantle secularism and separation of church and state, maybe we should treat them as one and the same:

Vatican Thanks Muslims for Faith Return

It's a question of the lesser of two evils. What's worse a moderate Muslim who's moral and ethical code closely reflects Christian values?

Or

Secular ideals within which there are no morals or any decency at all. Open sex with many partners, homosexuality which promiscuous and leads the way in HIV per capita, open drug use which leads to violent crime and murders?

It's a tough choice.

[Mr.Canada]

You always post facts. The worthless pulsebrained erroneous variety.

Nows time to prove your fact.

Please atempt to source your dribble.

Does the public school board even keep track of violent assaults or is that profiling too?

He's probably already googled it to see if he could find any before posting this above. Or else he wouldn't have responded at all.

This is typical M.Dancer who knows I'm right but has no rebuttal and will never admit I'm right. You see folks to Dancer, the secular world is a perfect utopia where everyone gets along and no one is shot or killed over drugs.

It's obviously true. I don't remember hearing about shootings and stabbings but I do hear about CW Jefferys almost every other week with someone being stabbed or shot.

SO if the public school board doesn't record this info does that make you right?

CTV article : "Toronto schools plagued with violence"

Not one mention of any Catholic school there. Public schools allow the kids to run wild with no discipline. This simply doesn't happen in Catholic schools. Kids are taught from a young age to respect your elders etc. Is it perfect? Of coarse not but it's a heck of a lot better than what public school kids have to go through.

Parents if you have a chance to walk through a Catholic School do it and see for yourself what goes on then walk through a typical public school. I've done it and the differences are astounding. Try it. I'm speaking of high school here for the most part since that is when kids turn violent.

Edited December 20, 2008 by Mr.Canada

[Peter F]

Dancer:

Please atempt to source your dribble.

Does the public school board even keep track of violent assaults or is that profiling too?

He's probably already googled it to see if he could find any before posting this above. Or else he wouldn't have responded at all.

This is typical M.Dancer who knows I'm right but has no rebuttal and will never admit I'm right. You see folks to Dancer, the secular world is a perfect utopia where everyone gets along and no one is shot or killed over drugs.

It's obviously true. I don't remember hearing about shootings and stabbings but I do hear about CW Jefferies almost every other week with someone being stabbed or shot.

SO if the public school board doesn't record this info does that make you right?

So there is no source for your dribble.

[Mr.Canada]

Does the public school board even keep track of violent assaults or is that profiling too?

He's probably already googled it to see if he could find any before posting this above. Or else he wouldn't have responded at all.

This is typical M.Dancer who knows I'm right but has no rebuttal and will never admit I'm right. You see folks to Dancer, the secular world is a perfect utopia where everyone gets along and no one is shot or killed over drugs.

It's obviously true. I don't remember hearing about shootings and stabbings but I do hear about CW Jefferys almost every other week with someone being stabbed or shot.

SO if the public school board doesn't record this info does that make you right?

CTV article : "Toronto schools plagued with violence"

Not one mention of any Catholic school there. Public schools allow the kids to run wild with no discipline. This simply doesn't happen in Catholic schools. Kids are taught from a young age to respect your elders etc. Is it perfect? Of coarse not but it's a heck of a lot better than what public school kids have to go through.

Parents if you have a chance to walk through a Catholic School do it and see for yourself what goes on then walk through a typical public school. I've done it and the differences are astounding. Try it. I'm speaking of high school here for the most part since that is when kids turn violent.

Peter F and Dancer, I found the an article sourced above.

[Peter F]

Peter F and Dancer, I found the an article sourced above.

goody. There's one half of the issue. Now where's the catholic school boards report?

[Mr.Canada]

goody. There's one half of the issue. Now where's the catholic school boards report?

That's the point, there isn't one because it isn't necessary. Catholics behave themselves as it's taught to us from an early age to have respect for ones elders as I've said in previous posts. Are all Catholic school students perfect? No but they have a higher ethics and more of a moral compass than a public school pupil would.

The public education system is broken it needs to be overhauled. The Admins turn a blind eye to all this violence and that is wrong.

[Peter F]

That's the point, there isn't one because it isn't necessary. Catholics behave themselves as it's taught to us from an early age to have respect for ones elders as I've said in previous posts. Are all Catholic school students perfect? No but they have a higher ethics and more of a moral compass than a public school pupil would.

The public education system is broken it needs to be overhauled. The Admins turn a blind eye to all this violence and that is wrong.

I see. Catholic school students have higher ethics and more of a moral compass, becase a public school board investigated violence within the public schools wheras the catholic school board did not.

Sorry. Your conclulsions are based on nothing at all.

[Michael Hardner]

I hate to sound like a broken records, but even if Mr. Canada had been able to source his evidence, it's impossible to isolate the cause of the issue based on a single metric like that.

Correlation and causation are constantly confused today. The classic example is that people who live in neighbourhoods with more telephone poles are more likely to get cancer. Obviously, we must eliminate all telephone poles, right ? In fact the telephone poles have nothing to do with the problem but if you arrive with your cause already in mind, you will 'prove' the problem is telephone poles.

And this is exactly what happens with arguments about religion, race, and culture too.

[Mr.Canada]

I see. Catholic school students have higher ethics and more of a moral compass, becase a public school board investigated violence within the public schools wheras the catholic school board did not.

Sorry. Your conclulsions are based on nothing at all.

Why is that so hard for you to accept. There are more shootings and stabbing at public than Catholic schools. You cannot even admit that?

If not then blind partisanship has reached a new level. I'm not saying anything shocking here.

[Oleg Bach]

Why is that so hard for you to accept. There are more shootings and stabbing at public than Catholic schools. You cannot even admit that?

If not then blind partisanship has reached a new level. I'm not saying anything shocking here.

Catholic doctrine is a perversion - literally...their occult policy of destroying and robbing youth through sodomy is a violence that far surpasses a few black kids with bad habits, firing pistols. What's the numbers here - 100 dead from shootings and thousands alive but dead through systemic sodomy?

[Mr.Canada]

Catholic doctrine is a perversion - literally...their occult policy of destroying and robbing youth through sodomy is a violence that far surpasses a few black kids with bad habits, firing pistols. What's the numbers here - 100 dead from shootings and thousands alive but dead through systemic sodomy?

Soooooo, you don't want to admit I'm right so you make up this ridiculous strawman?

I thought you were quitting, get lost already.

[M.Dancer]

This is typical M.Dancer who knows I'm right but has no rebuttal and will never admit I'm right.

I have never known you to be right and I'm on record of saying you are mainly spouting nomsense and spewing stupidity...

You see folks to Dancer, the secular world is a perfect utopia where everyone gets along and no one is shot or killed over drugs.

If Huston is paying attention, THIS is a strawman.

It's obviously true. I don't remember hearing about shootings and stabbings but I do hear about CW Jefferys almost every other week with someone being stabbed or shot.

The rest of the post is compost.

[Mr.Canada]

I have never known you to be right and I'm on record of saying you are mainly spouting nomsense and spewing stupidity...

If Huston is paying attention, THIS is a strawman.

The rest of the post is compost.

And Dancer says it is then it must be? No. People aren't as naive as you would have me believe. Everyone else reading this knows I'm right but won't say anything out of fear of being seen agreeing with a Right winger.

[M.Dancer]

And Dancer says it is then it must be? No. People aren't as naive as you would have me believe.

I post sources that show you are wrong and you post squat``

Everyone else reading this knows I'm right

You are overestimating the number of pulsebrained idiots here by 210%

Shall we get back ton 1867 and the arabs being british subjects...eh?

Keep making those clangers, SNL is 3 hours away...

[Mr.Canada]

I post sources that show you are wrong and you post squat``

You are overestimating the number of pulsebrained idiots here by 210%

Shall we get back ton 1867 and the arabs being british subjects...eh?

Keep making those clangers, SNL is 3 hours away...

Where are the news reports of violence in Catholic schools then?

There are almost weekly ones about public schools.

[M.Dancer]

Where are the news reports of violence in Catholic schools then?

There are almost weekly ones about public schools.

I take it that you don't bother to research your opinions...

WALTHAM — With a public comment period for a proposed charter school closing Jan. 5, Waltham Police are warning that gang-related crime could increase dramatically in the city if the school is approved.

A recent proposal from the Waltham-based social service agency Rediscovery Inc. to create the Rediscovery Academy Charter School somewhere in Waltham in 2010 with a capacity of 220 students has garnered heavy opposition from the community.

Police say in the past two years, Rediscovery House, a group home at 262 Crescent St., run by Rediscovery Inc., has been a source for gang-related and violent crime. Police predict the crime rate will increase if the state Department of Elementary and Secondary Education approves the school proposal in February.

http://www.dailynewstribune.com/news/x1429...ool-is-approved

In a school of about 650 students, there were 326 suspensions last year. Not all of them were for violence or bullying, but it’s part of the landscape, said religion teacher and chaplaincy co-ordinator Deb Gové.

http://www.catholicregister.org/content/view/799/855/

Ontario Divisional Court upholds expulsion of student in knife incident

Under section 309(1) of the Education Act, mandatory expulsion is the consequence for students using a weapon to harm or threaten to harm other persons. In Jackson v. Toronto Catholic School Board (July 17, 2006), the Ontario Divisional Court upheld the decision of a Principal and Board to impose a limited one-year expulsion on an 11year-old sixth grader accused of threatening two classmates with a knife.

http://www.emondharnden.com/whatsnew/mar07...kson_TCSB.shtml

Police charge 14-year-old after school lockdown

Updated: Fri Oct. 05 2007 10:52:12 AM

CTV.ca News Staff

A 14-year-old boy has been arrested and charged in connection with a lockdown at a Catholic elementary school in Toronto earlier this week

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTV.../Music%20Rising

What this has to do with the supposed assumption that there is a war on J. Christ is beyond me....but to suggest that youth violence is only a public school problem is simply idiotic.

[Mr.Canada]

I never said it was just happens more so in public schools. A few smatterings scattered over years. Is that the best you can do? That is nothing at all like the weekly news reports on it in public schools.

[WIP]

It's a question of the lesser of two evils. What's worse a moderate Muslim who's moral and ethical code closely reflects Christian values?

Or

Secular ideals within which there are no morals or any decency at all.

It's a tough choice.

Easy choice! You opus dei freaks belong with the muslim fanatics! No surprise that the Catholic church in Europe sees its only opportunity to re-establish theocracy by joining with Muslim immigrants in the attack on secularism. Naturally this is only a temporary alliance since a theocracy cannot have more than one religion in charge; so there is an inevitable fight to establish religious supremacy just as there was during the Protestant Reformation. The bloody stalemate of the Thirty Years War, a little over three centuries ago, killed off up to a third of the population in the German principalities ended with an uneasy truce between the churches, and marked the beginning of secularism by removing church authority from government and law.

Even the most "moderate" Muslims are unable to find a method to untangle their religion from government and law in predominantly Muslim nations, which has been a key factor in their poor performance in quality of life statistics. The Human Development rankings of 2008 show predominantly secular countries in the the top 20 or 25, and the bottom half of the index is made up by third world nations that are mainly Muslim or Catholic -- which only proves that God favours atheists!

Open sex with many partners, homosexuality which promiscuous and leads the way in HIV per capita, open drug use which leads to violent crime and murders?

People who are sane and rational realize that people either have morals or they don't. Either they are productive members of society or they're not, and it doesn't matter what they claim to believe in -- closeted homosexuals who were welcomed into the priesthood are still homosexuals, and making some pretense of celibacy doesn't change their inner desires. Put them in the company of young boys and teenage males and you might as well be leaving your cat in charge of the henhouse.

The bizarre Catholic philosophy that sexual desires are sinful is what leads people like you to think those of us who do not live in fear of imaginary deities are running around having sex and taking drugs -- maybe all that denial of the flesh makes religious zealots develop unnatural sexual fantasies.

[LesterDC]

Secular ideals within which there are no morals or any decency at all.

lol