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I am a very liberal feminist and let me tell you if I had

1. a baby with downs

AND

2. a pregnant teenage daugher (who is no doubt scared shitless that HER child will also be born handicapped - wouldn't you be scared as a 17 year old in those circumstances?)

I would certainly NOT be taking on a job that would require me to be away from my family when they need me the most.

My 17 yo niece had a baby (she is 4 now) and she needed the support and encouragement of her mom throughout the pregnancy, and once the baby came home.

Family Values my ASS!

Palin: "I am sorry John, I just simply cannot accept this nomination/appointment at this time. As a family values advocate, it is in my family's best interest for me to stay close to them at this difficult time."

That would have made MUCH more sense. I feel so sorry for her baby boy and her poor daughter having to go through the pregnacy without the day-to-day support of her mother.

If my son were to break his leg... I would take time off work to care for him.

Even feminists know that if you have children, your first obligation is to their health and wellbeing. Shame on Palin for being so selfish.

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I still don't see why Palin's daughter's pregnancy is an issue. It's not as though she became pregnant because of a lack of knowledge of the existence of birth control. :rolleyes:

How do you know? Her mother doesn't believe in birth control and she was against teaching birth control in the schools, so how do you know what her "knowledge of birth control" was?

Besides, nobody connected John Kerry's daughter's slutty dress with his extreme liberal views.

Seems to me you just did. ;)

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You two constantly insult each other. Maybe that's excitement for you two, who knows.

all the best to you then.

Which "you two" are you referring to? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else.

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I still don't see why Palin's daughter's pregnancy is an issue. It's not as though she became pregnant because of a lack of knowledge of the existence of birth control. :rolleyes:

Besides, nobody connected John Kerry's daughter's slutty dress with his extreme liberal views.

LOL

A young Cruella DeVille on the town!

Sorry but that is a really really bad dress for anyone not in a porn movie! Let alone for a politician's relative. LOL

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Seems to me you just did. ;)

Yes, some on the right take great pleasure in camera flashes that render black clothes transparent.

What goes around unfortunately...

The paparazzi wait for the perfect shot of any woman in the public eye to cater to their clientele. It is a pretty sick business and no one is immune.

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Even feminists know that if you have children, your first obligation is to their health and wellbeing. Shame on Palin for being so selfish.

It seems to me that given Palin's family situation, notwithstanding her husband seems very supportive, if she takes the VP job, either her work as the Vice President will suffer or her children will suffer. It seems to me she's demonstrated that her political ambitions are more important to her than either the well-being of her family or the country.

And that calls into question, John McCain's judgment and capacity to make a good decision.

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I actually feel quite a bit of sadness for the daughter, she must be under so much pressure and is probably feeling on edge that her status (I was going to say "mistake" but I knew the loonies would come after me for calling a baby a mistake) could very well cause her own mother to fall into ignominy. Adults can sometimes barely weather the scrutiny, but a poor 17 year old. My heart goes out to her, actually.

I feel no empthay for McCain nor for Palin, though. I mean, how blindly ambitious must Palin be to put her own kid in a position of being the butt of late night talk show jokes and the centerpiece of some media frenzy. Did she ever really consider what was best for her own family or was she dazzled by her prospects? (I'd ask the same of a man with a pregnant teenage daughter, so step off.)

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How can anyone tell all of America that the best way to avoid unwanted pregnancy is abstinence when that approach has failed within her own family?

Can anyone really be a positive role model for conservative values when her own daughter is pregnant out of wedlock?

Is she really just another "do as I say, not as I do" politician?

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Yes, some on the right take great pleasure in camera flashes that render black clothes transparent.

What goes around unfortunately...

The paparazzi wait for the perfect shot of any woman in the public eye to cater to their clientele. It is a pretty sick business and no one is immune.

Some on the right?

Left wingers aren't interested in pictures of topless chicks, I guess? No, of course, not, because they have, uhm, too much respect for women.

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I am a very liberal feminist

Sure you are.

I've never heard the same questions asked of Joe Biden. One could accuse him of putting his Senate seat ahead of his family after a tragic car accident. But I guess he's a man, so it doesn't matter.

That would have made MUCH more sense.

Her daugher hasn't been diagnosed with a terminal disease, she's having a baby. Many people would consider that a blessing. And she'll have the support of her whole family, including a loving, and busy grandmother, as well as a very competent grandfather, and the father of the baby. Let's not blow things out of proportion.

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Some on the right?

Left wingers aren't interested in pictures of topless chicks, I guess? No, of course, not, because they have, uhm, too much respect for women.

True. As I said, what comes around...

Women in the public eye always have to watch for the paparazzi. If some on the right want to use photos in these forums to embarrass women who don't come from their side of the spectrum, they full well know that the paparazzi doesn't distinguish between parties.

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Sure you are.

I've never heard the same questions asked of Joe Biden. One could accuse him of putting his Senate seat ahead of his family after a tragic car accident. But I guess he's a man, so it doesn't matter.

Her daugher hasn't been diagnosed with a terminal disease, she's having a baby. Many people would consider that a blessing. And she'll have the support of her whole family, including a loving, and busy grandmother, as well as a very competent grandfather, and the father of the baby. Let's not blow things out of proportion.

What tragic car accident? Got a link?

Her SON has downs syndrom and now her oldest daughter not only has to deal with raising him, but raising her own child as well. I assume the oldest daughter has taken on the responsibility of her youngest sibling as all the pictures show the baby in HER arms, not his mother's.

(I will find link of pics and post for you to see for yourself)

ALL pregnant women fear that their child will be born with something wrong with it. Palin's daughter, looking after a downs baby, has double the fear.

Downs children are very loving but require much more care than a "regular" baby.

So the rightwing laments mothers who put their children into daycare so they can earn minimum wage and yet you "let it slide" when a rightwing woman leaves her handicapped child in the care of others.

Fug... how lame.

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What tragic car accident? Got a link?

Shortly after winning his senate seat, Biden's wife and young daughter were killed by a drunk driver while they were out shopping for a Christmas tree. Biden's elder son was also in the crash but survived and remained in the hospital for some time. Biden decided to give up politics, but was encouraged by senior members of the senate to be sworn in, which he did some time later. He commuted home on the train from DC each night to be with his family. He remarried five years after the death of his first wife and daughter.

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Shortly after winning his senate seat, Biden's wife and young daughter were killed by a drunk driver while they were out shopping for a Christmas tree. Biden's elder son was also in the crash but survived and remained in the hospital for some time. Biden decided to give up politics, but was encouraged by senior members of the senate to be sworn in, which he did some time later. He commuted home on the train from DC each night to be with his family. He remarried five years after the death of his first wife and daughter.

Thanks.

I had no idea.. poor guy -- he almost quit politics and then FIVE YEARS LATER he remarried. Unlike McCain who left his sick wife (after screwing around on her) and was re-married less than a month after the divorce. .. but this is about Palin vs Biden right Shady?

Shady, do you think after five years Biden should move on or do you think he should mourn forever? Did he have a handicapped child and pregnant daughter at home?

I've never heard the same questions asked of Joe Biden. One could accuse him of putting his Senate seat ahead of his family after a tragic car accident. But I guess he's a man, so it doesn't matter.

I would be willing to bet that the "some time later" in the above quote was more than 4 months. Every mother (in Canada) gets a year of paid maternity leave... so they can raise their child. Palin is leaving her 4 MONTH OLD HANDICAPPED child AND distressed single pregnant daugher. Yessiree, the model of family values :rolleyes:

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Biden, as a result of the accident, was a single parent, so he had to work. There was no one else to support him and his son. After being persuaded not to quit the Senate, he was sworn in beside his son's hospital bed. In his son's words:

"He was sworn in, in the hospital, at my bedside," Beau Biden said. "As a single parent, he decided to be there to put us to bed, to be there when we woke from a bad dream, to make us breakfast, so he traveled to and from Washington, four hours a day."
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You mean, I have not given a reason you would accept, and since there are no reason you would accept... And I am not saying that an embryo is a person because someday it will become a person. I am saying that that personhood begins when life begins.

No! I have not been given a credible reason why a zygote should be considered human life. And I don't believe anyone honestly considers this stage of development worth protecting either!

A couple of years ago when I was on a U.S. conservative forum, while George Bush was busy vetoing embryonic stem cell research; a doctor, who was a stem cell research supporter, proposed a version of the 'trolley car dilemma' to see how much they were really valued by pro lifers, and it goes something like this:

You are a security guard in a fertility clinic, and a fire has started that will soon engulf the whole building. A female technician was on her way

home when she had to return to the lab with her baby in a stroller. When the fire alarms went off and smoke started pouring into the lab, she

panicked, fled the building, forgetting that she had brought her baby in and left him behind. In a cold storage locker in the lab, there are

10,000 frozen embryos that have not been selected for implanting. Do you:

a.Grab the baby and flee the building or

b. Leave the baby to save the 10,000 "unique precious human lives"

Most of the responses from doctrinaire pro lifers attacked the premise of the dilemma. None of them would apply the common utilitarian principle of all things being equal, saving the greater number of lives. Why not? The anger and indignation betrayed their lack of conviction that the embryos had just as much value as the baby.

Actually, I believe the criminilazation approach to be the wrong one. The number of abortions will be reduced not by jailing doctors and mothers, but through a culture that welcomes life. Ours does not.

No it won't! You want to take pro life as a moral position, but not as an ethical system that would require some form of enforcement. A lot of pro life supporters fudge around the question of whether they would jail women who have abortions, like they do in El Salvador and most Muslim countries, because they know there are a lot of women who have had abortions, and would really get riled up if enforcement meant more than jailing doctors and bombing abortion clinics, and took the next step to incarcerating the women who are seeking abortions.

Either way, it will be like drugs, prostitution and gambling -- it won't stop abortion, it will just put it back on the blackmarket.

And what makes such reasons more frivolous than let's say not wanting to curb one's liefestyle and financial confort, or not wanting to put one's career on hold? Why should abortion be permitted in those cases, but not in cases where having a girl instead of a boy will impose additional financial harship (which is the case in many Asian countries)? Aside from cases where the life of the mother is threatened, or at the very limit when a pregnancy is the result of a rape or incest, there cannot be a hierarchy of acceptable and unacceptable reasons to abort. The pro-choice argument that life does not begin at conception, or that personhood does not begin at conception, is wrong, but it has at least the merit of being anchored around the issue of what is life and what is personhood, not on the fuzzy notion of what is or isn't a good reason to abort.

Well, guess what? Defining where human life begins is fuzzy! That's why there is no agreement on what stage of development should be considered worthy of the definition. But there are still competing rights and interests in this debate, that's what makes it difficult to resolve. The 'right to life' carries with it the implicit understanding that the mother is an incubator that has no say in the matter. The 'right to choose' says it's not worth consideration even in late stages when there may be limited sentient awareness and ability to feel pain. There's a whole lot of denial to go around if you take an extreme position and only consider one side's rights to be of value!

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And McCain himself made fun of Chelsea's looks shortly after she turned 18. I guess that means Palin's 17 year old daughter will soon be 'fair game.' <_<

I forgot about that one! McCain is just as big a tool as Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and the rest of the sleaze peddlers.

I think Barack Obama wants to dampen down the attention on her daughter's pregnancy not only to prevent accusations of persecuting her children, but because this situation takes Governor Palin off her soapbox lecturing about family values. They can try to spin it as "at least she's standing by her pro life pledge", (off hand I wonder if her daughter was given a choice?), but when Jamie Lynn Spears was the subject; the focus of the conservative moral police was not on her pro life stand, it was on teen pregnancy and the need for abstinence education. Abstinence programs will be the dog that doesn't bark during this campaign!

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I am a very liberal feminist and let me tell you if I had

1. a baby with downs

AND

2. a pregnant teenage daugher (who is no doubt scared shitless that HER child will also be born handicapped - wouldn't you be scared as a 17 year old in those circumstances?)

I would certainly NOT be taking on a job that would require me to be away from my family when they need me the most.

My 17 yo niece had a baby (she is 4 now) and she needed the support and encouragement of her mom throughout the pregnancy, and once the baby came home.

Family Values my ASS!

Palin: "I am sorry John, I just simply cannot accept this nomination/appointment at this time. As a family values advocate, it is in my family's best interest for me to stay close to them at this difficult time."

That would have made MUCH more sense. I feel so sorry for her baby boy and her poor daughter having to go through the pregnacy without the day-to-day support of her mother.

If my son were to break his leg... I would take time off work to care for him.

Even feminists know that if you have children, your first obligation is to their health and wellbeing. Shame on Palin for being so selfish.

If she was the Democratic candidate, you can bet that her going back to work three days after having a baby, and leaving five children at home to go on the campaign trail would be a huge issue. Whether male or female, politicians are consumed by personal ambition, and put the chance to move up to higher office ahead of everything else.

It may be unfair that men can more easily escape being criticized for not being available for the children, but that's not going to change any time soon.

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Sure you are.

I've never heard the same questions asked of Joe Biden. One could accuse him of putting his Senate seat ahead of his family after a tragic car accident. But I guess he's a man, so it doesn't matter.

So I guess now we can expect all of the conservatives to hit the streets campaigning for women's rights!

BTW, what point are you attempting to make with the quote you place at the bottom?

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Despite all the blind partisanship in favour of Palin, the Republicans know deep down that McCain made a terrible, terrible choice. They are consumed with improvising their convention right now, but once it's done, Palin will find that she will have to withdraw from the campaign to be with her family in their time of need.

In fact, I can help with her withdrawal speech:

"My country comes first (despite once belonging to an Alaska Secessionist Party), but my family is a very, very close second. Others can serve as Vice-President of the United States, but only I can be vice-president of the united Palins." :lol:

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