I Throw My Support to Obama

[Mechanix]

...that is if you don't count Iraq and Afghanistan...

Last I checked, those nations are not part of the United States.

Jebus! Have you been in a cave for the last eight years? LOL

There are no elephants in my living room since I put up a sign that said "no elephants allowed" -- my sign is working!

Wow, without that sign I would overrun... thankfully some junked-out-on-fear-rightwinger gave me good advice and told me to put up a sign. laugh.gif

And it's Armygettin' time for you anyway isn't it? Aren't you frothing at the mouth to see Jebus? First one must have WAR in whole of middle east yes? Then Jebus come with 10headed beast and save us all from sex and other "bad", "dirty" stuff laugh.gif

Go ahead, go early... you'll get a better seat.

Anyone that still supports GW Bush after eight years of incompetence is either being paid by the repubs, has been trapped in a cave, been living on the moon or is mentally challenged. Which are you?

Oh yah, I'm Drea... I don't believe in God OR your #ty cowboy president. Welcome aboard. laugh.gif

I don't remember advocating any political figure here; rather I said McCain would be well served to share that particular stance as Bush has for six years.

[gc1765]

It seems folks who hate the Bush administration in general just can't believe his efforts could possibly have any benefits. In spite of your bias, many of the Al Qaida ring leaders were caught. Their network was greatly reduced and they've been looking over their shoulders ever since.

Thanks to the war in Iraq, and places like Gitmo, I'm sure al-qaeda has no problem finding new recruits...

[bush_cheney2004]

Thanks to the war in Iraq, and places like Gitmo, I'm sure al-qaeda has no problem finding new recruits...

They didn't have a problem getting new recruits before "Iraq, and places like Gitmo".

[Drea]

The righties are frothin' because the "HELP CODE ORANGE THERE IS A TURIST QUICK GET THE DUCT TAPE (most think it's Duck tape LOL)" is no longer working. The only people junked out on fear are the rightwingers.

But no worries I expect another false flag attack sometime before November. The puppeteers are not going to allow a President who is not part of "the Family"... The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power

The Family is about the other half of American fundamentalist power—not its angry masses, but its sophisticated elites

Get ready for Armageddon... your junked-out-on-fear leaders/heros believe in this crap. They are frothing at the mouth to see Jebus and will nuke the earth to "facilitate his return".

Delusional people in postions of power...

[Rue]

Being a shallow petty sexist, I think we should decide on the next President by deciding whose wife is better. Now McCain's wife has a Master's degree in Special Education and was given some cushy but high pressured family corporate jobs and looks good in her leather jackets and pants. Nice bum bum for 52. Obama's wife is a Harvard lawyer, ran a tough hospital gig, and has real cute kids and sort of reminds me of Amarosa from apprentice. She looks like she could either punch the snot out of you or make a great dance partner.It's a tie. I like them both. They'z both smart and well put together and they probably make good arm wrestlers.

So I go back to the candidates. John McCain has a wierd head. Its small and square but his face on one side sort of folds in and he looks like one of the Munchkins from the Wizard of Oz that or a football coach who gives his high school kids steroids and throws clip boards at their head.

Now Obama, well he has a small head too. Sort of looks like Curious George and the Joker from Batman mixed together and Arsenio Hall thrown in their too.

So again its a tie.

John McCain looks stiff and tight and has that insincere tele-evangelist smile and looks like he is gonna bite someone or the guy on the golf cart who plays through your round and Bam Bam looks like the doctor who tells you that he is gonna shove something up somewhere cuz he suspects cancer but not too worry or is that kid you shot spit balls at cuz he had big ears and now has grown up to sue you.

Another tie.

So I go to the celebrity supporters and music they like. McCain likes Abba and he's got Tom Selleck. For Gawd's sake someone help him.

The Bam man has the boss Bruce Sprinsteen and hello, J-Lo, Scar-Jo, Halle Berry, Angelina Jolie, Jessica Alba, Cameron Diaz.

Please. Its settled. J-Lo rules in my world even if she did marry a skeleton.

So the Bam Bam wins. Hands down.

[MontyBurns]

And Republicans aren't getting panicky about running against Obama. He's just the Black version of Jimmy Carter.

Just another tree-hugging, wimpy liberal girly man for the GOP to deal with. What else is new?

[August1991]

I have decided to become the ultimate "advance poll" voter and throw my full support to Barack SaddamHussein Osama Obama. Obama says he wants "change" for America; I choose to think that means that I will receive more change when I make a cash purchase.

I think everyone is missing the point of this thread.

jbg is the classic, traditional old-time Democrat. Obama has apparently managed to resonate something in this Boomer and made him think about his Sixties roots. Obama has turned jbg into an "idealist" again - with an eye on self-interest.

That kind of stuff is potent, Kool-Aid strength.

Edited June 13, 2008 by August1991

[Mechanix]

Just another tree-hugging, wimpy liberal girly man for the GOP to deal with. What else is new?

He may be unbearably similar to Jimmy Carter, but Obama has political immunity in the eyes of most United States news outlets due to the color of his skin.

McCain will have to be extremely careful about how he attacks Obama.

[jbg]

I know you people have been quivering with fear over a few guys with boxcutters for seven years now, but you've never considered that maybe 9/11 was a total fluke? They found a tiny hole in our defence--that is, the prevalent idea that hijackers are not suicidal--to use airplanes as missiles. That hole in the defence was filled before United 93 reached its target, and we returned to the situation where it is very, very difficult to create a low-tech, effective strike on western soil.

I wouldn't credit the Bush administration in all its incompetence with preventing another strike. They even had a memo outlining the plan for suicidal hijackers before 9/11 and did nothing.

You make a good point about the success of the attack being a fluke. That being said, I still believe the fact that the bad actors have chosen London, Madrid and Pakistan as the site for their bloodshed reflects the fact that the US can and will wreak carnage on the Muslim world. Note, Israel has been largely unmolested during the same stretch, since the "wall" went up.

[Mechanix]

That being said, I still believe the fact that the bad actors have chosen London, Madrid and Pakistan as the site for their bloodshed reflects the fact that the US can and will wreak carnage on the Muslim world.

No,

Such attacks prove that radical jihad has chosen it's place in modern society; murdering the innocent in the name of God.

[jbg]

I think everyone is missing the point of this thread.

jbg is the classic, traditional old-time Democrat. Obama has apparently managed to resonate something in this Boomer and made him think about his Sixties roots. Obama has turned jbg into an "idealist" again - with an eye on self-interest.

That kind of stuff is potent, Kool-Aid strength.

I am defintely a "classic, traditional old-time Democrat" in that I am strongly in favor of progressive policies on racial inclusiveness, pro-growth economic policies, and civil rights for minorities and women. I do not support mandated equality of result. I believe that the US entitles people to the right to the "pursuit of happiness" and does not guarantee happiness.

I do strongly support the overall concept that a minority person can and should be elected President, on their merits. I do not think Obama is the man for the job, yet. His resume is thin, and at best, he'd be another Kim Campbell (thinner resume than her even) or, for US analogies, Warren Gamaliel Harding. As for Harding, he promoted, in his campaign a "return to normalcy" without defining the term. Similarly undefined is the "change" that Obama wants. The parellels are striking and disturbing.

[August1991]

I am defintely a "classic, traditional old-time Democrat" in that I am strongly in favor of progressive policies on racial inclusiveness, pro-growth economic policies, and civil rights for minorities and women. I do not support mandated equality of result. I believe that the US entitles people to the right to the "pursuit of happiness" and does not guarantee happiness.

In Canada, we'd call you Hugh Segal, or a progressive conservative: a social liberal, a fiscal conservative. In the US, Nixon would call you a Rockefeller Republican. I'd call you, much as I'd call myself, someone who once believed in government and now believes that society is larger.

Will Obama capture such people?

[August1991]

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Edited June 13, 2008 by August1991

[jbg]

In Canada, we'd call you Hugh Segal, or a progressive conservative: a social liberal, a fiscal conservative. In the US, Nixon would call you a Rockefeller Republican. I'd call you, much as I'd call myself, someone who once believed in government and now believes that society is larger.

Government got its chance and proved itself largely incompetent, whether under Democratic or Republican auspices. There are certain things only a government can do such as law enforcement, foreign policy and (largely) infrastructure. Other than that the government that governs best is the one that governs least.

Will Obama capture such people?

No.

[BubberMiley]

Government got its chance and proved itself largely incompetent, whether under Democratic or Republican auspices. There are certain things only a government can do such as law enforcement, foreign policy and (largely) infrastructure. Other than that the government that governs best is the one that governs least.

Governments have also been quite successful at providing public education, access to health care, and a social safety net that protects the middle class from having legless three-year-olds tugging on their pantlegs trying to sell them Chiclets (as you will find in Tijuana). It can also be extremely effective at providing emergency relief in the case of emergencies, such as we found in the Great Flood in Manitoba in 1997. In that case, the government stepped in and amazingly built the 26-km Brunkild Z-dike in a matter of days.

Neocons in government will often try to prove their point that government is incompetent by being incompetent, as seen with Katrina, but it is certainly not always the case.

But, in any case, polls are showing that, yes, Obama is well on his way to getting the support he needs.

Edited June 14, 2008 by BubberMiley

[Mechanix]

Governments have also been quite successful at providing public education, access to health care

Access perhaps, but the quality is lacking.

[jbg]

Governments have also been quite successful at providing public education, access to health care, and a social safety net that protects the middle class from having legless three-year-olds tugging on their pantlegs trying to sell them Chiclets (as you will find in Tijuana). It can also be extremely effective at providing emergency relief in the case of emergencies, such as we found in the Great Flood in Manitoba in 1997. In that case, the government stepped in and amazingly built the 26-km Brunkild Z-dike in a matter of days.

Up to here good points. I will point out that the 1997 Manitoba government was Conservative. Do I need to "Filmon" you in on that?

Neocons in government will often try to prove their point that government is incompetent by being incompetent, as seen with Katrina, but it is certainly not always the case.

With Katrina the responsible and incompetent governments were both Democratic, the City of New Orleans and the State of Louisiana. In the US disaster relief is a state function, using some federal funds, and access to the National Guard.

But, in any case, polls are showing that, yes, Obama is well on his way to getting the support he needs.

I doubt it, whatever the polls show. People will say one thing to the pollster, do another thing. At least I declared myself publicly and strongly for Obama.

[August1991]

Governments have also been quite successful at providing public education, access to health care, and a social safety net that protects the middle class from having legless three-year-olds tugging on their pantlegs trying to sell them Chiclets (as you will find in Tijuana).

Well, apparently the Mexican government has failed miserably at its task. Indeed, if you travel to most poor countries, you will notice that almost all governments in such countries have failed at the task.

Maybe it's not government that solves these problems but something called "wealth". IOW, rich countries -regardless of how they organize these services, whether public or private - provide better for their citizens than poor countries.

For example, local, decentralized education systems seem to have the best chance of long term viability and success.

[Pliny]

Just another tree-hugging, wimpy liberal girly man for the GOP to deal with. What else is new?

This may be the case, but when they are in government "tree-hugging, wimpy liberal girly" men are no less dangerous to the citizenry than any other politician on a mission.

[Pliny]

Government got its chance and proved itself largely incompetent, whether under Democratic or Republican auspices. There are certain things only a government can do such as law enforcement, foreign policy and (largely) infrastructure. Other than that the government that governs best is the one that governs least.

I agree with the above but not with this:

I am defintely a "classic, traditional old-time Democrat" in that I am strongly in favor of progressive policies on racial inclusiveness, pro-growth economic policies, and civil rights for minorities and women.

That sounds like a lot of government to me?

Government needs to forget race, gender and economic engineering. It needs only concern itself with righting injustice which provides all of the above. It's primary mandate is providing justice and if it is delivered eliminates the necessity for it to "favor progressive policies on racial inclusiveness, pro-growth economic policies, and civil rights for minorities and women".

Edited June 15, 2008 by Pliny

[BubberMiley]

Maybe it's not government that solves these problems but something called "wealth". IOW, rich countries -regardless of how they organize these services, whether public or private - provide better for their citizens than poor countries.

We weren't born rich. We only became rich once our population became educated in a public system. And western society only became the mega-power it is after it was assured social stability by the New Deal-type programs. People are more willing to invest and do business in a stable society, and as much as conservatives resent paying for daycare, education, and welfare, it is these things that help their society grow.

Government, when operated effectively and efficiently, can create an environment for wealth and prosperity to flourish to the greatest number of its citizens.

[BubberMiley]

Up to here good points. I will point out that the 1997 Manitoba government was Conservative. Do I need to "Filmon" you in on that?

They were actually Progressive Conservative. Gary Filmon's goverment was very middle of the road, and not nearly the neocon hawk-types you favour.

[Black Dog]

The O.P. just goes to show that satire is well and truly kaput.

As for the rest....

It seems folks who hate the Bush administration in general just can't believe his efforts could possibly have any benefits. In spite of your bias, many of the Al Qaida ring leaders were caught. Their network was greatly reduced and they've been looking over their shoulders ever since. That keeps them on the defense and helps the effort despite your anti-everything-Bush attitude.

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It's interesting: there have been as many attacks on U.S. soil in the seven years since 9-11 as in the seven years prior to it: zero. It seems unusual to credit Bush for returning things to the status quo when the simpler explanation- that there just aren't many terrorists in the U.S- is the more logical one. In the meanwhile: what is the state of the rest of the world, terrorism wise? 9-11 aside, the U.S. was never much of a focus for a movement that has always been chiefly concerned with gaining power in its own lands. Transnational terrorism of the Al Q'adea stripe was never the main threat and it remains a bit player despite its name brand cachet.

[bush_cheney2004]

As for the rest....

It's interesting: there have been as many attacks on U.S. soil in the seven years since 9-11 as in the seven years prior to it: zero. It seems unusual to credit Bush for returning things to the status quo when the simpler explanation- that there just aren't many terrorists in the U.S- is the more logical one.

Perhaps they all fled to Canada like US military deserters.

In the meanwhile: what is the state of the rest of the world, terrorism wise? 9-11 aside, the U.S. was never much of a focus for a movement that has always been chiefly concerned with gaining power in its own lands. Transnational terrorism of the Al Q'adea stripe was never the main threat and it remains a bit player despite its name brand cachet.

Yea, the attacks on domestic and international US targets was just a figment of our imagination. Al Qaeda is just an Islamic Boys Club with scouts just trying to earn some merit badges for hijacking, truck bombs, beheadings, and cartoon protests.

Edited June 23, 2008 by bush_cheney2004

[Black Dog]

Perhaps they all fled to Canada like US military deserters.

Why would they do that when as you like to remind us ad naseum, Canada is a willing partner in The War Against Terror.

Yea, the attacks on domestic and international US targets was just a figment of our imagination. Al Qaeda is just an Islamic Boys Club with scouts just trying to earn some merit badges for hijacking, truck bombs, beheadings, and cartoon protests.

Shame about your head injury. I mean, I can't imagine anybody deliberately writing something like the above unless gray matter was actually seeping out of their ears and nostrils.