Danish Embassy Bombed in Pakistan

[DogOnPorch]

why do you always look at the negative side of things ?

Why are so angry with everybody not like yourself?

[monkeyman]

Why are so angry with everybody not like yourself?

People you guys say bad comments about people thinking they are ALL LIKE THAT. and you see only the NEGATIVE SIDE OF THINGS.

[DogOnPorch]

People you guys say bad comments about people thinking they are ALL LIKE THAT. and you see only the NEGATIVE SIDE OF THINGS.

Quite frankly...you don't know me anymore than I know you. But you seem keen on making me your enemy. Mission accomplished.

[monkeyman]

Quite frankly...you don't know me anymore than I know you. But you seem keen on making me your enemy. Mission accomplished.

Why are you looking at the negative side of things.

Why didn't you say ONE TIME that many Muslims in Canada are integrated (like I am) and we have almost no problem with them. Instead you always get an anecdote coming from the Koran, or a fucken extremist and you say, HEY MUSLIMS ARE LIKE THIS AND ARE LIKE THAT.

That's how you do things

[DogOnPorch]

Why are you looking at the negative side of things.

Why didn't you say ONE TIME that many Muslims in Canada are integrated (like I am) and we have almost no problem with them. Instead you always get an anecdote coming from the Koran, or a fucken extremist and you say, HEY MUSLIMS ARE LIKE THIS AND ARE LIKE THAT.

That's how you do things

Here's how you do things. You come to this board and post provocative threads re: Muslims then insult everyone that dares post in said thread. You've made enemies...if that was your goal, I'd say you've been a great success. If your goal was to reassure us that Muslims in Canada are a reasonable, peaceful lot...mission failed.

[monkeyman]

Here's how you do things. You come to this board and post provocative threads re: Muslims then insult everyone that dares post in said thread. You've made enemies...if that was your goal, I'd say you've been a great success. If your goal was to reassure us that Muslims in Canada are a reasonable, peaceful lot...mission failed.

It's not my mission to do that, normally if you're intelligent enough, you should know that honor killings are practiced by not even 5 family on 10000 of Muslims in Canada, and I'm generous.

Since many of you gusy are ignorants you believe that.

My goal is not to change anyone's opinion on Muslims, it's just to see what peoople thought about it, and I see that a lot of people live in the jungle. You have some SILLY PREJUDICES based on some anecdotes and some silly quotes.

What you guys do is you generalize 1.5 B of Muslims in the world with anecdotes. What's even dramatic is that you generalize Muslims in Canada as non integrated people, dangerous, killers etc.

[DogOnPorch]

You have some SILLY PREJUDICES based on some anecdotes and some silly quotes.

At our local mosque, men and women are segregated. That doesn't look like women's sufferage to me. To me, it looks like a scene out of the Middle-Ages. If that's a silly prejudice...so be it. But, institutionalized misogyny is overlooked in favour of multiculturalism in Canada. If one is bold enough to point this out in our society, they are often put down for not being tolerant of all things. If you're lucky enough...perhaps you can get hauled off to a HRC hearing at your expence to explain your intolerance for wanting everyone in Canada to be treated equally.

Edited August 28, 2009 by DogOnPorch

[monkeyman]

At our local mosque, men and women are segregated. That doesn't look like women's sufferage to me. To me, it looks like a scene out of the Middle-Ages. If that's a silly prejudice...so be it. But, institutionalized misogyny is overlooked in favour of multiculturalism in Canada. If one is bold enough to point this out in our society, they are often put down for not being tolerant of all things. If you're lucky enough...perhaps you can get hauled off to a HRC hearing at your expence to explain your intolerance for wanting everyone in Canada to be treated equally.

HAHAHAHAHAHA, AT OUR LOCAL MOSQUE!!!! THAT'S A GOOD ONE!

Did you ever went one time in a Mosque ?I didn't . Again you say stupid stories that you hear in your jungle.

What are you talking about ? Again you're speaking like someone who thinks that all Muslims are misyogin and that they have the exclusivity of misogyny.

Institutionalized Misogyny, of course, Mohamed Ali Beat his wife everyday, all Canadian Muslims do the the same.

Do you actually live on planet, get out of your jungle man. Do you have like an article that will make me believe that most Canadian MUSLIMS are Misogyns? Because if you do, I can't wait.

By the way, you're the one that doesn't want all citizen to be equal. Yet you don't stop complaining about Muslim women (because you hate Muslims) but you would like to see them with camels in Saudi Arabia.

Your basically Paranoiac in your own country, that's dangerous. You must believe that All Muslims are Virgins also, that all Blacks are criminals, that all Italians are in the mafia and all Russians are Pimps.

You're not educated mate, I told ya, your mom doesn't know how to read.

Say it loud and Clear again: I don't like Muslims so I say that they are all Mysogins and dangerous, even if I have no proofs and I know it's not true. I'm an ignorant and will always be.

That's you!

[monkeyman]

HAHAHAHAHAHA, AT OUR LOCAL MOSQUE!!!! THAT'S A GOOD ONE!

Did you ever went one time in a Mosque ?I didn't . Again you say stupid stories that you hear in your jungle.

What are you talking about ? Again you're speaking like someone who thinks that all Muslims are misyogin and that they have the exclusivity of misogyny.

Institutionalized Misogyny, of course, Mohamed Ali Beat his wife everyday, all Canadian Muslims do the the same.

Do you actually live on planet, get out of your jungle man. Do you have like an article that will make me believe that most Canadian MUSLIMS are Misogyns? Because if you do, I can't wait.

By the way, you're the one that doesn't want all citizen to be equal. Yet you don't stop complaining about Muslim women (because you hate Muslims) but you would like to see them with camels in Saudi Arabia.

Your basically Paranoiac in your own country, that's dangerous. You must believe that All Muslims are Virgins also, that all Blacks are criminals, that all Italians are in the mafia and all Russians are Pimps.

You're not educated mate, I told ya, your mom doesn't know how to read.

Say it loud and Clear again: I don't like Muslims so I say that they are all Mysogins and dangerous, even if I have no proofs and I know it's not true. I'm an ignorant and will always be.

That's you!

Oh and Yea, nice job for ignoring the HUGE MAJORITY of Muslim Canadians that are perfectly well integrated and speaking about the ones that Canada doesn't want.

Go propose your ideas to Hitler, because you're as brilliant as he is you idiot.

[Bonam]

Do you actually live on planet,

Nope, I live off planet. You know, in our orbital colonies.

[Guest American Woman]

At our local mosque, men and women are segregated.

Apparently this is a problem in some Mosques in both Canada and the U.S. This is from an article entitled 'Muslim Women Seeking a Place in the Mosque:'

....a poll taken about a year ago by the Islamic Society of North America, a large umbrella group of American mosques, found that the members' No. 1 priority is improving mosque leadership, especially on gender issues, said Ingrid Mattson, the society's first female vice president.

"People felt that women weren't well treated in mosques, and excluded from decision making," said Ms. Mattson, a professor at Hartford Seminary in Connecticut.

Another group of women led by a social worker in Winnipeg, Manitoba, is about to introduce a guide to making mosques more "sister friendly,'' proposing such measures as creating prayer space that does not exclude women, allowing women access to lectures, bulletin boards and donation boxes, and providing child care during mosque events.

More:

Muslim women said in interviews that they had visited mosques in the United States where women were sent to pray in basements, hallways, parking lots and rented apartments down the street. At some mosques, they said, they had been turned away entirely.

I only posted a couple of excerpts since we aren't supposed to C&P large portions of articles, but the entire article is very interesting -- worth reading in its entirety.

[monkeyman]

Apparently this is a problem in some Mosques in both Canada and the U.S. This is from an article entitled 'Muslim Women Seeking a Place in the Mosque:'

....a poll taken about a year ago by the Islamic Society of North America, a large umbrella group of American mosques, found that the members' No. 1 priority is improving mosque leadership, especially on gender issues, said Ingrid Mattson, the society's first female vice president.

"People felt that women weren't well treated in mosques, and excluded from decision making," said Ms. Mattson, a professor at Hartford Seminary in Connecticut.

Another group of women led by a social worker in Winnipeg, Manitoba, is about to introduce a guide to making mosques more "sister friendly,'' proposing such measures as creating prayer space that does not exclude women, allowing women access to lectures, bulletin boards and donation boxes, and providing child care during mosque events.

More:

Muslim women said in interviews that they had visited mosques in the United States where women were sent to pray in basements, hallways, parking lots and rented apartments down the street. At some mosques, they said, they had been turned away entirely.

I only posted a couple of excerpts since we aren't supposed to C&P large portions of articles, but the entire article is very interesting -- worth reading in its entirety.

Yes some Muslims think they are more important than women, everyone knows that.........

What I said, is that we have A HUGE MAJORITY of Muslims in Canada treat well their wives and don't beat them of commi Honour Killings (Unfortnately for people like Argus and cie, HONOUR KILLING IS NOT COMMITED BY THE HUGE HUGE HUGE MAJORITY OF CANADIAN MUSLIMS). But yet you will bring up another anecdote

[Guest American Woman]

But yet you will bring up another anecdote

I have never brought up an "anecdote," so I can hardly "bring up another." I've responded to very few of your posts, and I wasn't responding to one of your posts this time either (therefore your "what I said..." is of no consequence to me or the response I posted), but from what I recall, you haven't responded honestly to any of the posts I've made; instead, you come back with this type of nonsense. I have to wonder if your real purpose in being here is to give Islam a bad name, and you're doing it under the guise of being a Muslim.

[monkeyman]

I have never brought up an "anecdote," so I can hardly "bring up another." I've responded to very few of your posts, and I wasn't responding to one of your posts this time either (therefore your "what I said..." is of no consequence to me or the response I posted), but from what I recall, you haven't responded honestly to any of the posts I've made; instead, you come back with this type of nonsense. I have to wonder if your real purpose in being here is to give Islam a bad name, and you're doing it under the guise of being a Muslim.

I'm sorry, I was speaking about ARgus and Cie.

For your message I will say:

Yes some Muslim people that come to Canada are bad people and they don't want to integrate and they have a backward culture. If they commit a murder, whether it's an honor crime or whatever they will pay the consequences and go in jail, it's simple no? It's not because they are Muslims that they can do that, they can't even do that in their country of origin, so why should they do it here??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

With that being said, I disapprove strongly some comments here from a couple of members that say that Muslims are more dangerous than other Canadians, they are bad for us and bla bla bla bla bla .

That's what I read since I started to speak about it, some members just hate Muslims and to proove it, they will give you an anecdote about one mean Muslim that made an horrible crime. They just cannot see how many Canadian Muslims are perfectly integrated into OUR society and some of them don't even practice Islam.

I mean, people speak of Muslims as people who kill for honor, who have many wives, who don't integrate, who are lazy workers, who are mean people etc.

You see where I'M getting at ?

How can someone sees Muslims as people who commit honor crimes ? I mean it happens WAY WAY WAY less often than any other crim commited by White Canadians, and We don't qualify White Canadians as people who are murdered and who by the way (kill more often their wives). So why do we speak about Muslims as peopl who commit honor crime, when it almost NEVER HAPPENED IN CANADA?

[jbg]

I have to wonder if your real purpose in being here is to give Islam a bad name, and you're doing it under the guise of being a Muslim.

Sure seems that way. Or perhaps he is one and is shamefully mannerless and ignorant.

[monkeyman]

Sure seems that way. Or perhaps he is one and is shamefully mannerless and ignorant.

For your message I will say:

Yes some Muslim people that come to Canada are bad people and they don't want to integrate and they have a backward culture. If they commit a murder, whether it's an honor crime or whatever they will pay the consequences and go in jail, it's simple no? It's not because they are Muslims that they can do that, they can't even do that in their country of origin, so why should they do it here??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

With that being said, I disapprove strongly some comments here from a couple of members that say that Muslims are more dangerous than other Canadians, they are bad for us and bla bla bla bla bla .

That's what I read since I started to speak about it, some members just hate Muslims and to proove it, they will give you an anecdote about one mean Muslim that made an horrible crime. They just cannot see how many Canadian Muslims are perfectly integrated into OUR society and some of them don't even practice Islam.

I mean, people speak of Muslims as people who kill for honor, who have many wives, who don't integrate, who are lazy workers, who are mean people etc.

You see where I'M getting at ?

How can someone sees Muslims as people who commit honor crimes ? I mean it happens WAY WAY WAY less often than any other crim commited by White Canadians, and We don't qualify White Canadians as people who are murdered and who by the way (kill more often their wives). So why do we speak about Muslims as peopl who commit honor crime, when it almost NEVER HAPPENED IN CANADA?

[Bonam]

Monkeydude, you just don't get it. No one is generalizing to "all" Muslims. We all understand that the majority of people from all ethnicities and religions integrate. Heck, one of the most reasonable and smartest people I know is a Muslim from Iran (he doesn't practice).

However, at the same time, it is a fact that violence based on religious fundamentalism is more common among Muslims than among any other mainstream religion. Part of this is likely due to the other aspects of cultures in certain Muslim countries, rather than directly due to the religion of Islam itself. There are certainly strong differences between the cultures in, for example, Arab countries and non-Arab Muslim countries.

You need only see examples like the first one in this thread, and then realize how common various such incidents of violence are around the Islamic world to realize the truth of that.

You really don't need to "defend" the majority of moderate Muslims by saying they are not violent or horrible people. We understand and accept that. What you don't seem to understand, however, is that one of the main reasons that extremist violence in association with Islam is more common is that moderate Muslims don't do enough to outlaw and marginalize such activity. They may not participate in it themselves, may even find it wrong and distasteful, but in the end, they do not sufficiently prevent their coreligionists from carrying out such acts.

When a Christian extremist commits a violent act, such as the recent killing of an abortion doctor, it is almost universally condemned by Christians (and everyone else) throughout the world and almost all their organizations, even those that are most opposed to abortion. Such a person would be tried and convicted and punished according to the full extent of the law. Meanwhile, when a Muslim commits a terrorist attack, there are often many cheering supporters, and there are even some governments that would not punish such an individual.

[monkeyman]

Monkeydude, you just don't get it. No one is generalizing to "all" Muslims. We all understand that the majority of people from all ethnicities and religions integrate. Heck, one of the most reasonable and smartest people I know is a Muslim from Iran (he doesn't practice).

However, at the same time, it is a fact that violence based on religious fundamentalism is more common among Muslims than among any other mainstream religion. Part of this is likely due to the other aspects of cultures in certain Muslim countries, rather than directly due to the religion of Islam itself. There are certainly strong differences between the cultures in, for example, Arab countries and non-Arab Muslim countries.

You need only see examples like the first one in this thread, and then realize how common various such incidents of violence are around the Islamic world to realize the truth of that.

You really don't need to "defend" the majority of moderate Muslims by saying they are not violent or horrible people. We understand and accept that. What you don't seem to understand, however, is that one of the main reasons that extremist violence in association with Islam is more common is that moderate Muslims don't do enough to outlaw and marginalize such activity. They may not participate in it themselves, may even find it wrong and distasteful, but in the end, they do not sufficiently prevent their coreligionists from carrying out such acts.

When a Christian extremist commits a violent act, such as the recent killing of an abortion doctor, it is almost universally condemned by Christians (and everyone else) throughout the world and almost all their organizations, even those that are most opposed to abortion. Such a person would be tried and convicted and punished according to the full extent of the law. Meanwhile, when a Muslim commits a terrorist attack, there are often many cheering supporters, and there are even some governments that would not punish such an individual.

I agree on your comment.

Some people condemn these acts, but what acts should we condemn in CAnada? Since Muslim people here are well integrated. When the Sharia law was proposed by some assholes in Ontario, I'm sure that some Muslims said something about it.

But you must understand that A LOT OF Muslim people come to Canada to be free from all this bullshit with

extermists, so they are FED UP in some cases and don't want to give their thoughts on t.v. or whatever.

But yes, I would love to see some people that are invited by CBC to speak about Islam and say that it's not bad like people think it is, and most of Muslims HATE extremists. By the way, you guys had a t.v. show called LITTLE MOSQUE ON THE PRAIRIE, I think that did well to show Canadians that Muslims are not bad people.

In the end, what would it do if some Muslims would speak loud against extremists ??? Most people already know that it's a tiny minority that are extremists.

[Argus]

I agree on your comment.

Some people condemn these acts, but what acts should we condemn in CAnada? Since Muslim people here are well integrated. When the Sharia law was proposed by some assholes in Ontario, I'm sure that some Muslims said something about it.

And yet, according to the poll I posted earlier, the majority of Muslims in Canada WANT Sharia law here.

So much for well-integrated.

But yes, I would love to see some people that are invited by CBC to speak about Islam and say that it's not bad like people think it is, and most of Muslims HATE extremists.

And yet you, as a "representative" of moderate, secular Islam in Canada, spend all your time here denying and minimizing Muslim extremism, pretending it hardly even exists, is only confined to "a couple of assholes", and getting rabidly angry when anyone disagrees.

[monkeyman]

And yet, according to the poll I posted earlier, the majority of Muslims in Canada WANT Sharia law here.

So much for well-integrated.

And yet you, as a "representative" of moderate, secular Islam in Canada, spend all your time here denying and minimizing Muslim extremism, pretending it hardly even exists, is only confined to "a couple of assholes", and getting rabidly angry when anyone disagrees.

Minimizing what? I said it many times, it's wrong, they ashame most Muslims. What do you want me to do, write a book????

Again you and your Sharia law. Again I would like to see that article, because you probably don't have one.

ON TOP OF THAT, because someone wants to have sharia law he's not integrated? Another silly opinion from you. They don't want to impose it, they were asked if they wanted to have it, they answered honnestly. But you will find another stupid anecdoteto jufisty your absurd comments.

By the way, stop your personal attacks toward me, because I'm Muslim, I don't even practice the religion at all, I just believe in God, that's it.

[monkeyman]

HERE IS YOUR SOURCE:

In December 2006, the Environics Polling firm surveyed 500 adult Muslims across Canada on a variety of subjects. The survey found that 45 percent of Canadian Muslims possess a university degree (or higher), compared with 33 percent of the general Canadian population. 94 percent of those surveyed were proud of being Canadian, citing Canadian policies of democracy, multiculturalism, peace and humanitarianism as sources of their pride. This majority believe that they are treated better here than in any other Western country and that the quality of life for Muslim women is better here than anywhere else (including most Muslim countries). 53 percent of Muslims think Shariah law should be recognized as a legal basis for settling family disputes, outlawed in 2006. Of those surveyed, 55 percent of Muslim women and 59 percent of Muslims aged 18 to 29 indicated their preference for Sharia law. When asked what they liked least about Canada, the majority replied: “weather and taxes.” The results were accurate to within plus or minus 4.4 percentage points (in 19 out of 20 samples).

It's a preference, they don't want TO APPLY IT AND IMPOSE TO CANADA...

WERE PROUD OF BEING CANADIAN, 94% what will you say now ? They are not integrated etc.. bla bla bal bal bal

94% from YOUR ARTICLE THAT YOU GAVE ME.

You say that because someone says that we would like to have the Sharia law he's not integrated! PEOPLE RESPECT THAT THIS IS CANADA AND THERE'S NOT PLACE FOR SHARIA LAW, even if they want it.

But if you think that someone taht wants sharia law is not intgrated at all, then it's your opinion. Let's judge all Muslims now.

You didn't even say ONE POSITIVE THING ABOUT MUSLIMS. You come back always with your god damn Sharia law saying that it's a proof to why 1.5 B Muslims from more than 48 countries are not integrated.

I believe you must be a real ignorant, it's not to insult you, it's just what I think.

[monkeyman]

Oh and By the way, Sharia offers RETARDED PRACTICES THAT IS 100% AND I'M SAYING IT LOUD AND CLEAR.

However, for those people, don't you think they would like to apply Sharia law WITHOUT RETARTED PRACTICES LIKE CUTTING A HAND OFF OR PUNISHING WOMEN FOR CHEATING ON THEIR HUSBANDS???????????????????????? Sharia has other elements WAY WAY WAY MORE elements than what you know about it . And they would NEVER try to impose it to the whole population......THEY WOULD TRY TO APPLY SHARIA LAW IN WHAT IS APPLICABLE FOR A WESTERN SOCIETY. FOR EXAMPLE THE HERITAGE.

AS I SAID, SHARIA LAW DOESN'T HAVE PALCE IN CANADA, BECAUSE IF WE ALLOW THAT, AFTER THAT SOME PEOPLE WILL ASK MORE EVEN IF OUR GOVERNMENT WILL SAY NO.

But it's not becasuse you ask to someone if he would liek to have sharia law (WITHOUT KNOWING WHY HE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT) that he's not integrated

[Guest American Woman]

HERE IS YOUR SOURCE:

53 percent of Muslims think Shariah law should be recognized as a legal basis for settling family disputes.....

It's a preference, they don't want TO APPLY IT AND IMPOSE TO CANADA...

Saying they think Shariah law should be recognized as a LEGAL basis would certainly mean that they WANT to apply it.

[jbg]

How can someone sees Muslims as people who commit honor crimes ? I mean it happens WAY WAY WAY less often than any other crim commited by White Canadians, and We don't qualify White Canadians as people who are murdered and who by the way (kill more often their wives). So why do we speak about Muslims as peopl who commit honor crime, when it almost NEVER HAPPENED IN CANADA?

No. You don't get it.

It's the lack of marginalization of the bad ones by the good ones that is the problem in all Western democracies, not only Canada.

[monkeyman]

No. You don't get it.

It's the lack of marginalization of the bad ones by the good ones that is the problem in all Western democracies, not only Canada.

Yes, and what will it change??? Even if the good ones do so, you think that no extremists will ask for silly and stupid inquiries ???

I don't get it.