Brain Candy Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 (edited) IQ tests arent purely based on memory, It also deals with conceptual ability, extracting or expanding a truth from other things we hold to be true, and also the speed at which the mind can function. Memory is one part of it but I dont think compassion or even honesty has anything to do with intelligents, maybe it falls more under virtue. A dunce or genius can be kind or vicious, but they will be such at different levels and for different reasons. Edited February 27, 2008 by Brain Candy Quote Freedom- http://www.nihil.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliny Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 (edited) IQ tests arent purely based on memory, It also deals with conceptual ability, extracting or expanding a truth from other things we hold to be true, and also the speed at which the mind can function. Memory is one part of it but I dont think compassion or even honesty has anything to do with intelligents, maybe it falls more under virtue. A dunce or genius can be kind or vicious, but they will be such at different levels and for different reasons. Not purely but almost entirely. Concepts on IQ tests are dependent upon an ability to transfer a conceptual understanding which is based in language and without a conceptual understanding of the symbology and significance of the construct of language concepts cannot be transferred. Simply stated a word is often repeated from usage and an interpretation of it's concept and not from an actual transfer of understanding of the word which one can only get from a dictionary. How many words do you know and how many words do you remember? Too many people have trouble explaining "the". It is simply used rotely and routinely from the memory of usage. Because that word is used often people can have a pretty close idea of the actual concept of it but are often uncertain as to how to explain it. Whole language as a method of learning to read has done a lot to destroy the ability to transfer concepts because it asks the student to assume a concept from the context of a passage. These assumptions place an uncertainty as to the precise intent of conceptual transfer resulting in an impairment of rational discussion and meaningful debate. Edited February 28, 2008 by Pliny Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Not purely but almost entirely. Concepts on IQ tests are dependent upon an ability to transfer a conceptual understanding which is based in language and without a conceptual understanding of the symbology and significance of the construct of language concepts cannot be transferred.Wha wha wha what? I can't understand what you wrote.Then again, my IQ is down around 79. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Wha wha wha what? I can't understand what you wrote.Then again, my IQ is down around 79. Basically he is saying if you take an IQ test in Russian and you are an unilingual american english speaker, you will be classifed as an idiot. Which explains your sub par IQ. I'm sure if you do an IQ test in America, you will certainly be average. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliny Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Then again, my IQ is down around 79. Then we're tied. Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliny Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Basically he is saying if you take an IQ test in Russian and you are an unilingual american english speaker, you will be classifed as an idiot. Which explains your sub par IQ. I'm sure if you do an IQ test in America, you will certainly be average. Correct. Language, although not an entirely neglected influence on the measurement of IQ, is an unknown variable unless language skills are individually, and most importantly, "correctly" measured. The elimination of testing in classrooms makes a correct estimation of language skills questionable or based entirely upon the anecdotal, subjective, professional "opinion" of instructors which are demanded to be unquestionable. Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIP Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Just a thought! Is there any villain, present or historical, that doesn't have a dedicated core of loyal apologists who are trying to rehabilitate and re-package as misunderstood heroes? It looks like Stalin still has his wing of the communist movement. Hitler has nazis, neo-nazis and apparently some new found friends in the Middle East. Saddam Hussein still has his backers. How about Atilla The Hun or Genghis Khan? Are there any fans interested in writing a sympathetic essay for these guys too? Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliny Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Just a thought! Is there any villain, present or historical, that doesn't have a dedicated core of loyal apologists who are trying to rehabilitate and re-package as misunderstood heroes? It looks like Stalin still has his wing of the communist movement. Hitler has nazis, neo-nazis and apparently some new found friends in the Middle East. Saddam Hussein still has his backers. How about Atilla The Hun or Genghis Khan? Are there any fans interested in writing a sympathetic essay for these guys too? Anything they achieved, if they achieved anything, could have been done with less destruction. Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brain Candy Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 (edited) It looks like Stalin still has his wing of the communist movement. Hitler has nazis, neo-nazis and apparently some new found friends in the Middle East. Saddam Hussein still has his backers. How about Atilla The Hun or Genghis Khan? Are there any fans interested in writing a sympathetic essay for these guys too? Wait, I havent heard anything about any group of muslims, even terrorist group, explicitly sympathizing with Hitler aside from a few random comment about the Holocaust. People DO write sympathetic articles and essays about Genghis Khan and Atilla the Hun, but they arent politically motivated as much as in search of historical accuracy as found through research and debate. Edited April 4, 2008 by Brain Candy Quote Freedom- http://www.nihil.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Blue Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 Adolf Hitler was improved the quality of life for many Germans, shall we ask whether he was a hero or villain. Any person who asks such a question should give their heads a shake. Exactly how many people did Stalin kill??? Read Animal Farm. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 Adolf Hitler was improved the quality of life for many Germans, shall we ask whether he was a hero or villain. Any person who asks such a question should give their heads a shake. Exactly how many people did Stalin kill???Granted, if I visited Germany I would use the Autobahns. It's hard, otherwise, to consider him anything but horrific. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zachary Young Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 "How can a leader that improved the living conditions of his people, safeguarded the socialist order from invaders and spies and ensured that freedom, democracy and socialism would exist in the USSR, be ever considered a villain?" I dunno, maybe because he was responsible for the death of more people than Hitler? Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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