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You seem to forget that for him peace and order mean non-white/Anglos accepting the "fact" that they are lesser persons with no rights.

That way of thing is not God's way.

Unfortunately, as you examplify, some are also taught to hate, and that no amount of misrepresentation of facts is too much.

They have equal rights, and these are not going away, so perhaps YOU should be quiet and concetrate with dealing with your own sins. BTW, I am surprised that as a Catholic you are unaware of statements by John Paul II in 1999, that Hell is not a litteral physical place of fire and brimstone, but rather an eternal state of eternal separation from the Light of God. And do you actually believe that God LAUGHS, that He rejoices when people through their own chhoices are separated from Him for eternity.

Those who choose to truly love God do not co-opt Him for their sinful hatred either. Since there are example of homsexual behaviour in the animal world, the "homosexuality is against nature" rings a bit hollow. No doubt that homosexuality is against natural law, the basic sense of what is right and wrong, but natural law is not nature. Interesting however that you confuse the two, making the same mistake as some gay-rights proponents do by confusing the two.

The civil rights movement was for equal human rights for all. So is the gay rights movement. BTW. Language (that is, speaking a certain language instead of another one) is not innate in people

Nice way to avoid saying that indeed it is entirely legitimate for a parent to make sure the kids will not hear about diversity. As for the Lord's Prayer... in a society where there is freedom of religion for all, either ALL religions can have their prayer said in the schools that belong to all, or none can. If by that you mean that I claim all, or even most, Christian parents are teaching their children to bully other children who have gay parents, you are wrong. I leave to others the pleasure of making blanket statements about adherents of a certain faith, members of a certain ethnic group, or people of a given sexual orientation as all or mostly being alike in attitudes or opinions, There is no denying though that there are children of gays and lesbians taunted and bullied in the school years, that their are teenaged and young adult gays and lesbians threatened, bullied and sometimes attacked by the peeers. There is no denying that those incidents are hateful.. There is no denying that some of those acts are commited by children of families professing the Christian faith, and that those acts are un-Christian. There is no denying that hatred is not innate; it is learned from peers, and from families. Helpless victims yes. But not of those who advocate that gays and lesbians should be equal citizens. They are the victims of the bullies who attack them, and from the bigots who teach the bullies to hate. Nice take on blame the victim, though.

:lol: Once, I was a pro-English revisionist, now I hold a grudge against the English. Yeah right.

At least 3 to 9 million people, and maybe uo to 20 million, were murdered by the Stalin regime alone, not counting at around 5-8 million during the famine of 1931-1933, which was at beast the unentended consequence of an attempt to break indivudal farm ownership and at worse a genocide. Most of the hierarchy and lower clergy of the Russian Orthodox Church were murdered during the Revolution of 1917-1922. That Church was the victim of murders, deportations and other forms of persecution during most of the existence of the Soviet regime; so where, among others, the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, the Goergian Orthodox Church the Wastern Catholic Church in Western Ukraine, the Catholic Church in Lithuania and the Western USSR. By the end of the Soviet regime, almost none of the Jews remaining in the country practiced Judaism. The only group that remained relatively unscathed was the Muslims, most because the regime wanted to maintain good relations with the Arab world. On top of that, most religious buildings were confiscated and converted into museums, government offices, factories, or just plained demolished. At the best of times, all that religious authorities could expect was to be exploited for propagenda purposes and to not have their services disrupted as long as they remained discreet and didn't protest. In Russia TODAY there is separation of Church and State and some level of religious freedoms. But tthere is NO denying that there was indeed a high level of persecution of religions under the Soviet regime.

You think I hold a grudge against you? For that, I would need to take you seriously.

:lol: A thing is sure, he/she wouldn't be having sex with a person of the same (or opposite) language.

The USSR was officially an atheist state, and the goal of the Sooviet government for most of its existence was not the separation of Church and State, but the elimination of religion. No such thing in the US. :lol:

You had some to lose.

Believe me, NO job will ever match your education. And many people here are more than happy to give it to you. Nope... still sore from laughing too much at your imbecility. Personal experience no doubt :lol:

Nice try... entertaining though. There is no doubt that they were people of the Christian faith who fought the fight against slavery... and others who fought to protect it, or imposed slavery's bastard children, segregation and aparthead. That slaves of Christians converted (some by force) does not hide the fact that some Christians defended slavery abd used the Bible in defending it.. BTW, nowehere did I claim that homosexuality is "innate", or, for that matter, that it is not. How someone becomes homosexual is irrelevant; they are called, not to to adopt heterosexual behaviours they feel are not theirs, or to live a llife of self-loathing and shame, but to avoid homosexual acts as they are sinful. There is a fundamental difference there, one that too many fail to see. What is "innate" in homosexuals is that they are human beings, and that they have therefore the same value and same rights as other human beings. Opposition to those rights is not unlike support for slavery; both are borne of world views in which some humans have more rights than others.

So... your belief that the Bible was merely written by men means that you are a feminist? If you fail to see that logic, you're not alone.

Of course it is not. That being said, only a fool would believe that stating that Jews and Muslims can as well kill each other since there will be less of them is showing concern of them, or be blind to the hatred behind that kind of attitute. :lol: News to you. I AM a Christian. Don't be fooled by the fact that I understand that Jesus' commandments to love each other like he does love ALL of us is incompatible with bigotry, racism and hatred.

Actually, I am acting from my memory of a newspapaper article I read 4-5 years ago. Didn't find a reference on the Web today, so I am sure someone will make a fool of him/herself by claiming that I am making that one up. Except that if I wanted to use a hypothetical case, I'd say so. Besides, does anybody here think that there are no parents up there that wouldn't go to extremes such as making sure their kids are not even in contact with children of gays and lesbians? My memory was a bit blurry on that one, I thought it was 2006, it was 2004. and I thought it was a young actor speaking about bullying of children of homosexuals when it was a social worker.(story here). The video and discussion were part of a larger course on diversity. Which begs the question... if it is acceptable to withdraw students when the discussion turns to homosexuality, would it be acceptable to withdraw them from other parts of the class if the parents believe that non-Whites should be expelled from Canada (to give one example)? And before anyone says "see, they were non-Christians", here's from the main page of the Hamilton-Wentworth Family Action Council

Why? Because I fail to see how you actually love homosexuals and shun any attempts at describing them as "deviants" whose actions come from "self-hatred"?

I had a colleague once who had both those traits... fourth-generation Canadian white male SHE is one of my colleagues too, fifth-generation Canadian of Austrian descent, and thanks for suggesting that we tie her up.

Indeed. So do yourself a favour by fully obeying God's law and turning from the sin of hatred.

I must not be a person, then, since I clearly stated the attitude of those homosexuals who are purposely spreading the HIV virus was wrong. You are of course welcome to keep showing both your bigotry and lack of reading skills by claiming otherwise.

Indeed. A few years back, some parents in Hamilton threatened to boycott a pre-school program unless a 4 year-old boy was expelled. His crime? They have seen him come accompanied by the two lesbian women raising him. Good for them -- could not have that boy corrupt the other boys and girls. Two-three years ago, some parents demanded that the Toronto Public School Board exempt their children from the view of a video they thought to be promoting homosexuality. They should receive a medal; after all, everyone knows that a video in which an 11 year old actor says "it is wrong to bully me because my father is gay" will directly lead to most of its young audience becoming homosexuals.

Jesus instructed us to love each others like He loved, to treat eveyone as we would treat Him, and that all humans are our neighbours. It does not change the fact that homosexual acts are sinful. Since indeed they are. But it reminds us that we will we all be judged on how we loved God, and others.

Hold a second indeed. We (you, I, gay, lesbians, heterosexuals, Jews, Muslims, Christians, atheists) are ALL sinners. Nobody here prevents you from expressing your opinion, nobody here is persecuting you, nobody here is forcing you to mingle with, socialize with, or to welcome in your own house people who you don't want to associate with. and Canada is not becoming a Communist country or about to become one. Equally, nobody is forcing you to live in a country where the law recognizes gays and lesbians as equal before the law. Hoping that sinners (that is all of us) will raise from their sin is not hate, of course. Comments and attitudes that single gays and lesbians for discrimination are a form of hatred, so are comments that point out to the self-hatred that too often exists among gay men without acknowledging homophhobia as the main contributing factors, so are comments about rampant homophobia or how children need to be protected from homosexuals. And there is nothing good or decent about those comments and attitutes. You don't share those? Good for you. You do? Don't come whining that people are persecuting you when they call it the way they see it.