lictor616

If men do not act: nature will. Depopulation will HAVE to happen one way or the other.

in all likeliness Canada will be more like the places from which the immigrants are coming FROM... that's only reasonable to assume right? In all probability we may see violent crime rates soar, poverty sky rocket, and of course we invite the very real possibility for ethnic tensions (since we import groups who are in conflict with each other from all over the world)... At the very best Canada of the future will be no better then our own today (perhaps a little poorer and a little less cohesive... if you can imagine that) At the very worst, we can foresee civil war, third world type society and perhaps even genocide in the next 40 years... In other words we have nothing to gain from this wacky experiment, since diversity does not provide us with any strength whatsoever. We are in effect, dicing our future to be "nice"... We are reconciliating ourselves with our own dispossession ... Such a development is probably without precedent in the entire history of the world. And we will have to pay richly for it...

!?!?!?! The fact that distinct populations with common and recurring gene based faculties and characteristics giving them a SUPERIOR capacity to resist such afflictions as skin cancer and other dangerous diseases doesn't mean they are objectively superior at anything? huh? come again rue? Black people have a sliver of our skin cancer rates... but that doesn't mean they are better predisposed towards fighting skin cancer? And saying that black people are better at defending themselves at skin cancer ... is NOT an objective fact? AND! having populations with gene clusters that broadly differentiates homo sapiens (effectively giving them traits such as black skin, kinky hair and different susceptibility to specific diseases)... somehow doesn't validate the race "theory"!?!? psshhhhh Wow, I guess you stumped me... next you'll be saying that a tiger's stripes is not a validation of my subjective hypothesis of mtDNA markers. Sure sure... black people aren't black for genetic reasons... oh NO rue! of COURSE not!!!! No no, black people have black skin and resist skin cancer better because of racism and poverty and social constructs... does you're brain hurt when you overheat it like that?

hear hear!

wow, finally someone who actually advocates for actual equality... and complete racial blindness... none of the radical leftists minded (Rue, Dancer, Tango, Charterrights et al) ever actually came out with such statements... good word pliny, I don,t think anyone could disagree with your comment here. not even me...

charter.rights .... your anti-white bias and complete native supremacist bigotry would probably corroborate what you say...

fair enough.

"we know that the grand majority of biologists agree that there are human races" (Lieberman et. al. 1992-2001 ). The lieberman study and poll has nothing to do with race identifying features... you don't know which research i'm quoting.

its was part of a legislative project to end "profilage raciale" http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/P...es=2&File=4 4.8 "Soutenir les trav aux du comité de vigie en matière de prévention des tensions interculturelles" I can,t find any dispatch that corroborates it neither can I trace back the LCN news segment about it... i'm, sorry dancer I concede my failure here.

hmmmmmmmm.... oh ... ouch... I think you felt the weakness of that argument ghosthacked... but of course you will never admit to it... yes yes ... Some genetic factors may make us objectively superior... but um not really "because in the end, negro and mongoloid people may have other advantages to make them equal and on par with the rest of humanity"... How silly is that statement? how indicting is that!? You're relying on some faith or perhaps the divine power of some unnamed deity to sort of round up or "even out" (!) the strengths and weakness and give strengths to some where other have weaknesses... but of course (as you assure us we're all precisely to the tenth decimal equal at the end of the day)... RUBBISH... ABSOLUTE HOGWASH... NONSENSE ON STILTS... So how do you figure this works then? Blacks have greater resilience to serious illnesses such as bacterial infections, skin cancer and some may even have superior running abilities (kenyans) but um, errr, we whites make up for it.... which (of course) in the end makes us equal how? how do we make up for it? A few more IQ points? Blue eyes? tell me specifically how this works because I find this quite a devastating indictment on your part... because saying that actually means you agree with the racists. You just wiped out your own point! Namely that we're equal and that races don't have any difference in ability or capacity...

Lets look at your standards for judging as far as group hatred is concerned. 1-the exercise of engaging and imposing negative generalizations, characteristics and motives onto an entire group of people; 2-the engaging in the above to incite hatred, intolerance,discriminatory treatment against the targetted group. First obviously you are forced to concede that these are consistently applied towards people of my political inclination, scarcely one post goes by without someone making a nazi reference or insulting me and in effect attributing all manner of negative generalizations… boo hoo you will say but it’s a fact, my dissent for the policy of enforced diversity and “egalitarianism” does in fact draw considerable flak from the left side. Not that I am complaining about such things, nor did I not expect such mudslinging, but its fact: most leftists are intolerant and very hateful of opinions not in ideological lockstep with left wing liberal politics. There is one form of diversity you will not tolerate—and that is a diversity of opinion. Yes, to look at the countless and thoughtless denunciations and insults, refusal to stick to the topic and endless ad hominem nagging (M.dancer being a prime example), you people aren’t really interested in the debate so much as SHUTTING IT DOWN. Despite a few creditable attempts by you Rue (which turned out to be duds since most of the authors you cited actually believed in a concept of race and some of them even attributed different faculties to them!) But the biggest clue to where people stand in these issues when you do the exercise of “putting the shoe on the other foot”… I try to invert the races when accusations of racism are hatred are made: for instance the Courtenay hatecrime incident (http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=14477) A hotly debated and unanimously deplored occurrence here in these pages. Yet when I offered an example of a similar crime with the races inverted: http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....showtopic=14890 Everyone was conspicuously absent from the debate… all the people who were in the white on black “hatecrime” who were beating their breasts and shrieking and spitting out of control were ALL absent in this page… I scarcely was able to collect one reply! I find this to be clear and unmistakable evidence of racial prejudice and double standards and yes racism if we have any reasonable definition of any of those things. And again, all of routinely carry out this same kind of Orwellian double think… you all are very selective in what you call racist and hateful… and this is usually along racial lines. Now another baneful failing of yours is the uncritical acceptance of multiculturalism (which is another aspect I often oppose). Multiculturalism does indeed commit transgression 1 & 2 of your list: Multiculturalism implies that race, ethnicity, gender and sexual orientation have an unavoidable effect on the way people think and on what kind of the values they hold. Multiculturalism is anti-individualistic in the sense that it expects each individual to consent with the perceptions, thoughts, and judgments of his group in order for his own insights, thoughts, and judgments to be legitimate. Multiculturalism attempts to replace individual rights by a perverted form of collectivism by assuming that a person's identity and values chiefly derived solely from biology, and that counts is not what a person does or think or says as a person, but the members of his biological group currently do or did centuries ago. It follows that collective guilt replaces individual responsibility – a person must assume the responsibility for acts committed by his ancestors and pay for these acts ad infinitam. One of the many so-called benefits of the multiculturalist collectivist view of things is the introduction of multiculturalism as a counter to racism, negative stereotyping and discrimination. It would appear however that this multiculturalism is simply stereotyping and racism cloaked in politically correct clothing. The multiculturalists after all hold that race, creed and gender should be a central factor in educational and other policy decisions. And because it is wreathed in racism, Multiculturalism is turning North America into collections of separatist (ethnic, racial, religious, gender etc) groups each competing for power with the others. It is nothing but the sheerest absurdity to believe that performing reverse racism and stereotyping Group 1 to compensate Groups 2 and 3, in order to correct some real or imagined racism, can avoid the proliferation of racist thinking. People are individuals and expect to be treated as such, they cannot be dealt with merely as ciphers. The answer must lie in complete racial and gender blindness. Stereotypes, Racism and sexism will endure as long as the collectivist mentality based on these phenomenon is not eliminated. Using racism and stereotypes to counter stereotypes and racism engages in the very principle of stereotyping and discrimination and ought not to be considered an answer to them. But of course, none of you will condemn any transgression committed by minority persons, nor will you condemn the very real racist institutions in our country that are racist. You’ve already made this patently clear.

he also said that blacks are better immunized machines capable of withstanding disease and reacting better to it thanks to melanin. Doesn't that tacitly mean he thinks blacks ARE superior? I mean if a race is shown to be better at warding off malaria and other infectious diseases and such a dangerous condition as skin cancer MUCH better then another race (whites say) isn't that an objectively superior trait?! I mean how am I having to explain this?

yes okay and mozart was also black.. I know the litany as well as anyone... but my obvious point was... despite dope lyrics, these artists aren't shy at stating their open dislike and often VIOLENT hatred of white people in general... and no ONE (of course especially not you ghosthacked!) challenged them on it or even much less CARES... my point is that a white person saying these things about blacks... is simply committing suicide (career or ACTUAL suicide) once again, proof of the glaring double standards that everyone pretends to not notice... just as in this instance of anti-white bigotry where Kanye was doubtless motivated by some hatred of white people... and thought that the black artist deserved it better. and thatnk you for teaching about this group called Prussian blue... apparently when white girls sing about being true to their race... what happens? the parents are put on trial and in danger of losing custody of their two daughters... The girls are ridiculed and the parents seen as bizarre ogres... "The duo were also featured in a 2006 issue of Bernard Goldberg's book 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America." now a coupla ghetto kids stating similar opinions (not directly hating and insulting blacks .. but merely saying they love their black people would result in NO such outrage by the media.. in fact it would be seen as cute and nice... such as this "poet"... celebrated for her racial bigotry and anti-white hatred: again thank you for illustrating the double standard that permeates nearly every element in 21st century north america.

also what is a "homophobe" and how do I fit the bill?

what if a thread showed that a person hated white peopl (such as most posts by tango and charter.rights... who refer to whites in the most contumelious terms) I've surveyed much of what they have to say and you've never said anything about it... I'm fascinated at how everyone perpetuates the double standard of only attacking supposed "white racists" while letting everyone else off the hook... you,re merely cherry picking and making silly assumptions like "clearly that you dislike black people" ... what do you mean "clearly"? Clearly would be me stating a straightfoward opinion about blacks... which i didn't.... As cliché and pusillanamous as it may seem: I do have some blacks friends... (not that that really means anything) but please don't try to put the onus of this debate (as it is) on me personally... I don't think anonymous internet chatting is really a good medium for it... and either its pretty useless and besides the point. Let me repeat also a fourth time: "All of you completely FAIL in this debate because you barely dispute my central thesis: the descriptive idea that whites are discriminated against as second class citizens and that humans are naturally racists AND the normative idea that they ought to be able to go their own way. Instead, you spend your time disputing the idea that other races are inferior. That I may or may not think that is not essential to my argument. It's totally superfluous."

ahahaha !!! that's grand... tell you what else sells records in this shtick: "Now I’m black but black people trip [become upset] ‘cause white people like me; white people like me but don’t like them … I don’t hate whites, I just gotta death wish for motherfuckers that ain’t right” “Race War”; Ice-T, Home Invasion, 1993, Priority Records, Thorn EMI; now called The EMI Group, United Kingdom. “To all my Universal Soldier’s: stay at attention while I strategize an invasion; the mission be ssassination, snipers hitting Caucasians with semi-automatic shots heard around the world; my plot is to control the globe and hold the world hostage … see, I got a war plan more deadlier than Hitler … lyrical specialist, underworld terrorist … keep the unity thick like mud … I pulling out gats [handguns], launching deadly attacks” “Blood for Blood”; Killarmy, Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, 1997, Wu-Tang Records, Priority Records, The EMI Group, United Kingdom. here's dre: “Like my niggas from South Central Los Angeles they found that they couldn’t handle us; Bloods, CRIPS, on the same squad, with the Essays [Latino gangbangers] up, and nigga, it’s time to rob and mob and break the white man off something lovely” “The Day the Niggaz Took Over”; Dr Dre, The Chronic, 1993, Interscope Records, under Time Warner in 1993. “Bust a Glock; devils get shot … when God give the word me herd like the buffalo through the neighborhood; watch me blast … I’m killing more crackers than Bosnia-Herzegovina, each and everyday … don’t bust until you see the whites of his eyes, the whites of his skin … Louis Farrakhan … Bloods and CRIPS, and little old me, and we all getting ready for the enemy” “Enemy”; Ice Cube, Lethal Injection, 1993, Priority Records, Thorn EMI; now called The EMI Group, United Kingdom. “Rhymes is rugged like burnt buildings in Harlem; the Ol Dirty Bastard … I’m also militant … snatching devils up by the hair, then cut his head off” “Cuttin Headz”; Ol Dirty Bastard, Return of the 36 Chambers: the Dirty Version; 1995, Elektra Entertainment, Time Warner, USA. “Swing by on the pale guy … break him in the neck … the guerrilla with the poison tip … shaking pinky up on a dull-ass ice-pick … this is Lench Mob … devil, what you want to do; when you see the boot, knew your head is hoohoo” “King of the Jungle”; Da Lench Mob, Planet of da Apes, 1994, Priority Records, Thorn EMI; now called The EMI Group, United Kingdom. “Dropping verses, casting curses, throwing these hexes on the devils … respect to Farrakhan, but I’m the jungle-don, the new guerrilla, top-ranked honky killer … what do blacks do; they just keep on blowing devils away … evil fucking cracker … I’m tightening up the laces to my steel-toed boots, so I can walk, stomp; we stomp this devil down in the park” “Planet of da Apes”; Da Lench Mob, Planet of da Apes, 1994, Priority Records, Thorn EMI; now called The EMI Group, United Kingdom. “Deal with the devil with my motherfucking steel [handgun] … white man is something I tried to study, but I got my hands bloody, yeah … I met Farrakhan and had dinner” “When Will They Shoot”; Ice Cube, The Predator, 1992, Priority Records, Thorn EMI; now called The EMI Group, United Kingdom. PROJECT PAT: "Still keep the white girl 'cause she is my hook-ahhh" I mean you could go and on and on... howabout Jay-Z (beyoncés husband incidentally) and young Jeezy: being proud to be black... and vowing to keep chasing whites out everywhere... to replace them with ... black people... oh but we're all suppose to assume that they aren't racist.. or say it was all out of context right Dancer ... .riiight.... whatever right? while all of you condemn me as one without so much as a comment on anybody,s superiority... incredible isn't it?

you clearly don't since you actually misunderstood Mayr's actual opinion on mtDNA markers to ascertain race. I don't have the specific quote about how felines share more mtDNA with eachother then two humans but here's an equivalent argument: this is James Serpell’s The Domestic Dog: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0521425379/ "Recently using genetic and biochemical methods researchers have shown domestic dogs to be virtually identical . . . to other members of the genus . . . Results using mtDNA (mitochondrial DNA) data . . . reveal startling similarities among canids . . . Greater mtDNA differences appeared within the single breeds of Doberman Pinscher or poodle than between dogs and wolves . . . to keep things in perspective, it should be pointed out that there is less mtDNA difference between dogs, wolves, and coyotes, than there is between ethnic groups of human beings.” (pp. 32-33)

ah come on! there are reports of them, and you were the one saying that wolves couldn't interbreed with dogs... so...

Jungle Cats (felis chaus) and Wildcats won't naturally breed with domestic cats, but Natural Hybridization can occur between very similar yet distinct species... ligers for instance...

diseased mind my oh my are we getting pissy pantsed here? By the way a wildcat will no more breed with a house cat as a puma and a tiger... (they are all by the way genetically VERY similar, and share the highest mtDNA material then even two humans of the same ethnicity)

I said earlier that there were "hundreds probably thousands" of races around the globe.. and that the broadly defined races with which we classify is lacking precision. But it is acceptably accurate and expedient... and either way to quote your own source: "No matter what the cause of the racial difference might be, the fact that species of organisms may have geographic races has been demonstrated so frequently that it can no longer be denied. And the geographic races of the human races established before the voyages of European discovery and subsequent rise of a global economy - agree in most characteristics with the geographic races of animals. Recognizing races is only recognizing a biological fact."

by puma I meant "wildcat"... of course... both are of the EXACT SAME SPECIE einstein... Genus Felis: Chinese Mountain Cat (Felis bieti) Domestic Cat (Felis catus) Jungle Cat (Felis chaus) Sand Cat (Felis margarita) Black-footed Cat (Felis nigripes) Wild Cat (Felis silvestris)

Being able to generalize people and group them into clines or races and looking at the BIG PICTURE is actually looking at the forest NOT THE INDIVIDUAL TREES. The people who focus on the individual trees, are the people who tell us that race is meaningless, that everyone is unique (yet for some reason equal) all at once... these are the people who when confronted by general facts about a group or race triumphantly point out to individual exceptions... to them exceptions are the rule... now how about you cook up some other insult laced reply as a substitute for an actual argument...

again an emotional and silly ad hominem "mined" reply... oh so now THERE ARE CERTAINLY RACES!?!?! ahahah! Its like talking to a schizo! why are you talking to me then? I'm not the one saying that races are optical illusions... Rue Dancer and company do... so take it with them then! to requote and repeat myself (again): "All of you completely FAIL in this debate because you barely dispute my central thesis: the descriptive idea that whites are discriminated against as second class citizens and that humans are naturally racists AND the normative idea that they ought to be able to go their own way. Instead, you spend your time disputing the idea that other races are inferior. That I may or may not think that is not essential to my argument. It's totally superfluous." "Most of the "race doesn't exist camp" try to attack the archaic definition of "pure race." As anyone in science understands, races are mere taxonomies that look at the infrequencies or frequencies of differentiating genetic alleles between population groups. As I said most of the speudo intellectuals that claim to attack the concept of race ... argue against old and etiolated notions of purity and other sophisticated pollameré. the arguments of most of your posts Rue are perhaps valid and interesting for 1895."

except that animals are actually INSTINCTIVELY racist and "speciest"...