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That is different. We all know most students were in the square, and all tents from HongKong were in the square. The riot happened in the streets. Rumors said the tanks run over tents with the protesters inside, those are lies. While in the Frog Lake, it is obviously no protesters were in the Lake.

Real Chinese are not westerner, they never think of rule the world, they care more about their own family only.

if you go back to post #178 ( http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....st&p=432769 ) you will find I made some change on it.

How about Canadian residential schools?

The genocide is what west give China. Use their guns fighting with knife and sticks. Countless dead, just like in Americans with native people.

That is not true. I was able to browse any US website in 1996, at that time there have no filter. Now they only filter out some site they think not good. The main barrier is English. Although every Chinese learn English for more than 10 years, the vocabulary is too limited for them to understand English.

Maybe you can write a book so that others can know some of the lost cultures.... nice to meeting you too.

You know lots of China's industry are based on Soviet Union's help. I can still can sing several Russian songs, and I play clarinet when I was a university student, lots of music are Russian music we play at that time.

The style is different, Get some from the house sell web site: http://www.villachina.com/2008-12-11/2278360_2.htm http://www.villachina.com/house/%b1%b1%be%a9_1010078200.htm http://villa.focus.cn/ztdir/08springvilla/index.php http://house.qz828.com/system/2008/01/30/010051152.shtml

They are hard to find now. Most are no longer there. But I think I can find some if spend more time to search if you want.

How about these? http://www.matijin.com/main/home/main.php http://space.gootrip.com/index.php/321003/...pace-30379.html http://www.lvhua.com/chinese/b2b/spdetail.asp?id=30099 http://xcb.tjwq.gov.cn/system/2008/05/14/000020217.shtml http://photos.nphoto.net/photos/2007-06/05...033d426b3.shtml http://www.yanlingmai.com/tradeinfo/offerd...-107-0-160.html

Some pictures: http://www.picyo.cn/news/dalian/dalian_5.html http://www.bjfb.gov.cn/bjyl-outside/includ...=11241698220001 http://www.jbnews.gov.cn/Article/200808/9497.htm

Lots of stories here: http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/f...-them-quot.aspx

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/techno...article1187507/

China's censors are used to block junk like porn. About the truth from their own people. That is the topic of this thread. The fact is lots of your knowledges are not correct, because the media does not always give you truth, it gives you many lies and cheatings as well. That is why you have so many inaccurity knowledge about China and many other topics. The follwing are the examples: The invasion of Iraq — and how the media war was won and lost: http://www.asiapac.org.fj/cafepacific/reso...raqwarmedia.pdf What is more, media with different voice can be labelled with "falsely report" and be menaced. US menaces Al Jazeera over Iraq reportage http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/aug2003/aljz-a27.shtml They can also threat journalists away by shooting them: Pressure Grows over US Killing of Journalists http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issue...journalists.htm Even in domastic problems: http://corruptioncentral.com/?p=736 The video it talking about has been deleted by YouTube: "This video has been removed due to terms of use violation. "Your own country fears its people know the truth. That is the fact.

At least it can prove that "not allowed to post anything negative about China or its government", which is believed by many Canadians, is inaccurate knowledge about China. 8 million results, it is very popular, I don't think any censor can not find it even I can find it with such an easy search. I did not say China has no censorship on internet. US has censorship, Canada also has it: http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/story.html?id=1699304

I use the popular Chinese search engine in China search "government" "Error" I found 8.9 million results: http://www.baidu.com/s?wd=%D5%FE%B8%AE+%B4...%FE%B8%AE+cuowu Here is one of the result it is from a public forum: The poster believes government made 3 error decisions. http://bbs.swzx.com/thread-28419-1-1.html Here is a blog in China. The author talk about corrupt government officers. http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_5fb0353f0100dlre.html One of the comment of this blog suggest schools stop teaching Marxism, Teaching classic Chinese philosophy instead. It is very negative to government. (Ask someone who know Chinese to verify it if you like.)

No matter where I am living in, I am a human being that can thinking and have opinion. Just like you are typing in Australia. Unlike those just believes media propaganda.

Yes, there are hundreds are make living on democracy movement for China, how poor they are, I would wish them to learn some real skills that can help them to find a real job. And there are tens of thousands of people who are proud of their mother land China who are living and working in Canada and pay tax, part of the tax has been given to the hundreds you mentions through governement.

Those are not evidence, nothing to prove the data can be trusted, they are from professional writers hired by anti-China organizations. BTW, I am not against west, I am anti evil behavior.

Lie is Lie, even after you did some calculation.

Dirty political lies, in 1950 there was no one child policy, government even encourage people to have more children at that time.

What you mentioned are crimes, there are cops in China just like in Canada. They will deal with that. Are you kidding? 40Million girls missing, more than the population of Canada. Absolutely Lie. If it was true, and you are so kind, you should invite them all come to Canada.

It is nice that some of country make effort to help China, even when they did it for their own interest.

Where did that number come from? Chinese people did not invade other nations, even when it was the strongest in the world for centuries. Many other nations invade China even win the war, they becomes part of China and the people gradually accept the Chinese classic philosophy, for example "Forgive others but not yourself" Until British comes with opium。 Taiwan was part of Chinese for very long history long before Holland invade it in the year 16xx. The people there are Chinese. China will not give up force because western countries give them weapons.