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preaching to the choir here! I've said it before, I said it above, this" crusaders castle" just drives the point home, so nicely and oh so obviously. Though I am of the opinion it was quite obvious anyway. Well Bush said it was a "crusade"!

Thinking of Posse comitatus , more then anything. The Posse Comitatus Act, which regulates the use of military forces for non-military purposes in the United States. or does that not apply anymore?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle2364255.ece It’s bigger than Saddam’s palace and, with a cinema, gym and pool, is the safest and smartest place to live in Iraq... "Baghdad is a city of ruins - of burnt-out homes, of shops wrecked by suicide bombs, of the crumbling shells of Saddam-era palaces and ministries destroyed by smart bombs in the US invasion of 2003. There is one notable exception. It is probably the only big new building project in the capital in the past four years. It is the new US Embassy on the west bank of the Tigris which the contractors will transfer to the US Government officially today. A towering wall renders the huge new embassy almost invisible from ground level. For security reasons the State Department has refused all requests for media tours – promising instead to release pictures of the interior at some later date. The only way to view it is from the roof of the Babylon hotel, across the river. What you can see through the haze of heat and pollution is a complex of two dozen smart new dun and grey blocks set in 104 acres (42 hectares) of grounds ringed by that impregnable wall. It is a fortress within the fortress that is the green zone. It is designed to repel any physical attack and. when it opens for business in a few weeks, it will be protected by a detachment of Marines with their own barracks. It is not, however, invulnerable to criticism. " This is the largest US Embassy built – roughly the size of Vatican City – and at $600 million (£300 million) the most expensive. At a time when millions of Baghdadis outside the green zone receive only a couple of hours of water and electricity daily, Iraqis observe that this project has been completed on time, on budget, and is entirely self-sufficient with its own fresh water supply, electricity plant, sewage treatment facility, maintenance shops and warehouses. There are two office blocks that will house 1,000 staff, six apartment blocks containing 619 one-bedroom units, spacious residences for the Ambassador and his deputy, a school, shopping centre and food court; a swimming pool, tennis and basketball courts; a gymnasium, cinema, beauty salon and social club. This is known because the architects – Berger Devine Yaeger, of Kansas City – posted drawings on its website briefly until the State Department ordered their removal. The US has always intended to stay. This was never going to be a "cake walk"

'geoffrey' actually if this is a reference to state control of the populace, you should be all for that, cause that is what you are supporting. Armed goons, bashing the populace who are exercising there democratic rights. That was not the case in this incident at all. Nor has it been the case in other incidents. I have to say, I find this type of attitude, frightful, state control of people exercising there rights. Democracy and freedom ain't always pretty, but to willingly chose oppression by the state, is a far worse choice in my book. The SPP discussions should be public! Citizens and citizen groups should be involved directly.

http://www.wlbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=126...mp;nav=2CSfFaHb Army National Guard Unit Deploys Mississippi Army National Guard Adjutant General James Lipscomb on Thursday briefed the soldiers of the 1st Battalion, 204th Air Defense Artillery, in Newton. They're heading out to Fort Bliss, Texas, but a special mission lies ahead. "We'll receive some further training on a new missile system," says Specialist Cy Parks, a Ridgeland native. "From there we will go to the national Capital region to perform short-range air support for the national Capital." The 1st Battalion, 204th ADA this was the first Army National Guard unit to be trained on the Avenger Air Defense Missile System. The soldiers will use their skills to protect a 30-mile perimeter around the White House and areas in Maryland and Virginia; a one-year deployment. Most of the soldiers will leave behind families, but they know their mission is essential. "The security and intelligence forces have determined that the national command region is (under) a threat," says Col. Sonny Fries, unit Commander. "There's a threat someone else might hijack a plane and crash it into one of our landmarks, the Capitol or the White House." "As we speak today, the Air National Guard and the Army National Guard is giving force protection and people protection missions around the country. So we will continue to see this type of mobilization inside the U.S.," says Adjutant General James Lipscomb. protect the White house, from what? who? has the colour coded warning system elevated? Is this the norm ? just wondering?

gosh instead of addressing the issue, you lob a personal volley? whatever floats your boat?! Is that info incorrect? or beyond your realm of knowledge?

"You can throw money at anything and sooner or later you are going to get some sort of result." like a 'colour' revolution? chechnyan 'rebels'? or mujahadeen? if it ain't the CIA, the US has always got the- National Endowment for 'democracy' or USAID, just two groups , able to 'finance' change.

My neighbourhood got 60 out of 100, BUT, oddly enough some amenities which are actually closer,grocery stores and two parks, are non-existent, and instead, this 'calculator' chose, other ones further away.

"But the "official" explanation would be it creates the pretext for breaking up these protests while discrediting the protests themselves." That, the statement you have just made, has to be reiterated repeatedly by varying posters, to posters who 'don't understand' is frightening in itself! What's there not to understand?

Outnumbered, with all the weapons right?? Rubber Bullets, tear gas, and more. Yup those cops would be quite frightened by the unarmed crowd

which in summary is why all along, I have been quibbling, with your construction "knowledge" wrt the twin towers. Why? Because you have none! Wrt: the building codes. I am sure that the construction company A.T. works for, builds to code or surpasses it, as I know my spouse does. Why am I sure of that? Because every job is inspected as it goes along. If a job is not "to code", it will be rectified quickly, you can believe that! But, it's not just that, shoddy work means no repeat business, and a destruction of a professional reputation. Not something any company wants to do or have.

redundancy is in the manner of construction, not in the 'beams', as you state. and if you knew anything about construction, you would know that. Honestly riverwind?! When discussing heat vs fire.: Did you notice here in AT's statement "Do you realize the amount of heat required to cut or melt a structural component?" That is what I was referring to, do you notice AT used the correct terminology? The terminology that anyone who is in the construction would use. When one applies a "torch"( I am using torch to demonstrate in a simple manner) of some type, to steel, using fire,or some other heat source, the heat eventually generated , by that heat source, will eventually, by causing the component, to reach the necessary temperature, cut or melt the structural component. Which is why , I am telling you there is a big, big difference between , fire and heat. If a fire(heat source) is not generating enough heat, there will be no weakening,no cutting. THEREFORE it is important to differentiate between the two , you have failed to, or do not understand that.

NO, to public funding of any and all faith based schools.

There you go again! Fire and Heat are two different concepts, and are necessary to distinguish between. Why would you even claim that? A cool fire will not generate much heat. A hotter fire will generate more. A short lived fire will not generate much heat. A long burning robust fire will generate much more heat. That is why it is important to distinguish between the two. It is not an irrelevant detail , it is an important detail. Except to someone, who doesn't know, of what they speak!

Well that is your opinion, and while I must disagree with your statement to some degree, and I will explain. Also , I beg to differ, with your use of the work "credible" . As i would easily state that a person with access to construction skills on an industrial level, a knowledge of how heat affects metal, etc., is in a far more credible position to make comments on construction practices, then someone who has none of this experience, and knowledge, ie: Riverwind and yourself. You cannot possibly realistically disagree with this, though I am sure you will. NOW, In this entire argument, had you been paying attention, which apparently you haven't, I have been quibbling with riverwind about construction practices. Redundancy in construction, the effects of lateral load on a building, heat versus fire, some basic physics, and the effects of heat on metals. Redundancy, lateral load, environmental forces, the effects of heat on metal, are all things as stated, that. I can discuss with an above average knowledge, and I am quite confident and comfortable with that statement. Eg: Riverwind, claims the towers were built with "little to no redundancy" This is a completely non-credible statement. I do not know if you know what this term exactly means,wrt construction, but for RW, to state this as factual, is equal to stating we do not breathe oxygen. it is a patently false statement. Redundancy: refers to the quality or state of being redundant, that is: exceeding what is necessary or normal; in construction it is, as an example: an ability of a building to redistribute loads, when something has failed. Redundancy in a building of the magnitude of the towers would be essential, and by all accounts, the WTC towers were highly redundant structures. Another statement wrt: lateral load, and the buildings not being under any lateral load is another falsity, promoted by Riverwind. What is lateral load? Well as I explained to RW previously, the most common lateral load is a wind load. The towers would have under considerable horizontal force, everyday, acting on the structure. In fact this consideration was taken in, when the towers were constructed as scale models were built and subjected to wind tunnel tests. One does not need to be a structural engineer to know, or understand the basic concepts. One does need an understanding of building construction, and practices, on a larger scale One these matters ,as stated I have a better then general knowledge, this is what I have stated and this is what I have quibbled with RW, all along. Regardless of what you think is credible or not basic construction practices and considerations, are as practical and applicable to wtc towers and any other structures.

Sorry, is that not a construction trade?? LOL! Is that not a construction trade?? did I say that somewhere Kimmy,"authority on structural engineering" oh there is that misleading wording again, as stated ,your good at it! Oh sorry that's "sheeter/decking" not quite the same, but go to town with it, Miss Construction expert. LOL! I would say that Kimmy is afraid, afraid, because someone is on here who can read blueprints and understands how metal is used particularily wrt heating of metal. So Kimmy must now come out and attack and ridicule, by going so far as ridiculing a legitimate construction trade , a skilled trade that REVOLVES around metal! priceless Kimmy, show us what yah got girl!! yah gots nothing, so your resorting to smear and ridicule, go girl, go!! Oh and Kimmy, dear, my hubby's father was an IRON WORKER, another construction trade!!! His brother is also in the biz! It runs in the family! Hurry attack another trade! use your ridicule! it is your trademark!

if you have, I have not seen it. redundancy, lateral load, etc., Your table argument was outrageous at best/ Is that what Angus said? Didn't Angus in fact say 'all steel buildings do not require fire proof insulation on the structural components" very different from the word's you are putting in his mouth now isn't it? Have I denied that basic theory,has Angus?? Though again your lack of knowledge is showing it is NOT FIRE, IT IS HEAT!!!! IT IS HEAT GENERATED BY FIRE!!! do you get that??? Didn't I infact say "HEAT plus time can equal damage. I NEVER DENIED THAT. How much heat? How much time?" http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....st&p=245790 You REPEATEDLY confuse HEAT and FIRE, they are NOT the same! Here is a link to Thomas Eager's report; He SUPPORTS the official story. He explains well the difference between heat and fire: http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/...Eagar-0112.html "Part of the problem is that people (including engineers) often confuse temperature and heat. While they are related, they are not the same. Thermodynamically, the heat contained in a material is related to the temperature through the heat capacity and the density (or mass). Temperature is defined as an intensive property, meaning that it does not vary with the quantity of material, while the heat is an extensive property, which does vary with the amount of material. One way to distinguish the two is to note that if a second log is added to the fireplace, the temperature does not double; it stays roughly the same, but the size of the fire or the length of time the fire burns, or a combination of the two, doubles. Thus, the fact that there were 90,000 L of jet fuel on a few floors of the WTC does not mean that this was an unusually hot fire. The temperature of the fire at the WTC was not unusual, and it was most definitely not capable of melting steel. " Yet again with the misleading words, I have peddled NO "fallacies", I cannot draw a definitive conclusion nor do I say I do, I express an opinion. An opinion of my own, based on , my own research of the subject and the available evidence. Assumption! Anyone who looks at the broader picture , will have even more questions.! Anyone who looks at the geo-political , strategic, aspirations, and foreign policy history, of the US, including, pipeline politics, the fomenting of Islamic Fundametalism, the dominance by the US of ME oil, etc., etc., etc., see and read entire post and all links, then do some homework!

There it is, the word 'expert' again??? What is with you people?? Why do you use such language, except to mislead? Why would I consider Angus an 'expert'? Though it is clear to me he has a better then average knowledge of how things are built. You have never demonstrated any knowledge. Period! You have promoted fallacies as truths.

Nowhere did I claim "expertise", those are your nonsensical words. This is exactly what I said Which is IMO correct, based on all I have read here. Now why, would you use such terminology?" Expertise" Except to mislead? Please mislead away! You are quite excellent at it! Re: your use of the 'drywallers'. I am certain why you used it, (as a ridicule tool).Why? That is your main modus operandi, and largely, why I don't take you very seriously at all. If I wish to undertake an investigation of the construction of the towers, there collapse etc, what do you care? What i do in my free time is my own business, I certainly don't question or care what you do in yours.

ghosthacked: As I have stated , and you are aware: as I previously stated: "one does not even need explosions in buildings to disbelieve the "official conspiracy theory" one needs history, an understanding of US foreign policy, a knowledge of oil interests, some understanding of geo-political strategy, and bingo! To NOT question 9/11 and the US govs. involvment is to be willfully blind." http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....st&p=230602 see post chock full of links! But right now, I must admitting, I am enjoying the much needed correction in information riverwind is getting, for promoting some of the most BS statements wrt building construction et al, I have ever seen put to print.

Didn't the Roman Empire last a thousand yrs, more or less.? Historically speaking isn't the Roman Empire the greatest, longest lasting etc., empire in history?

wrt Riverwind: Riverwind has sat on this thread for a long, long time, telling other posters they are idiots, and don't know what they are talking about. The sad truth is Riverwind, doesn't know what she/he is talking about at all. The errors, the untruths, the complete falsities Riverwind has spouted on here, should have been damning enough to , have this poster cease from these claims, I am afraid the ego is bigger then the pool of knowledge. While I make no claim to be an expert, at all, when it comes to knowledge in the matters of construction, metal, blueprints, etc., the knowledge and further access to information I have is way, over and above riverwinds, false assertations!

AngusTh: My hubby is fully employed, as he is one of the best workers in the area we live in. He is a Journeyman sheet metal worker He has been in this trade for 20+ yrs now. Job Description: Sheet metal workers lay out, fabricate, assemble, weld, install and service: ducting, spouting fittings, cabinets, gutters, copings, flashings, supporting devices, and integral equipment associated with the blowpipe, air pollution, heating, ventilating, air-conditioning, roofing, restaurant, kitchen and hospital equipment fields. They are familiar with the properties of metal and operate specialized metalworking machines. To make products of the desired dimensions and properties, they must read and interpret blueprints or specifications. Note: Architectural and Manufacturing sheet metal workers attend Levels 1 and 2 of the Sheet Metal Worker program. Completion of entry-level training programs (ELTT) may confer credit towards some of the required technical training. Though he does not work entirely in lighter gauge metals. Their company will engage in work that leans more towards Iron work, or even Pipefitting if necessary. He will not only fabricate, he will as necessary alter engineer designs, or even design necessary components for installation. He works directly with engineers in numerous industrial settings. So yes, I have more then a passing familiarity with the construction trades, but on an industrial level, as opposed to residential. oh as for good looking single women! Sorry can't help you with that

why do you choose those construction trades when there are so many more Kimmy? or are you simply not aware of that? Or did you pick those as the trades of ridicule?? (your usual tool) Don't forget, I am privy to construction talk. So am quite aware of 'shop talk' wrt specific trades.

That truly was!