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I hold no monopoly on truth, I look at what happened, who looks to gain, who made what claims and who's claims stood up to scrutiny. I question, and read carefully ,zero blind acceptance There are no all good and all bad guys in this world. That is to naive. Like the first incident, regarding the Brits and the US claims now. The Brits and the US have egg on there face! PS: my cat does not have investment portfolios!! Glad your doesn't, I'd think you were eccentric or something

The US withdrew the allegation, more face saving and no surprise there either! It's still being spun! Of course it is. Look at the audience there is for this garbage, this propaganda side show? Just look on this forum for starters?

Your right, and it will be instigated by the US or Britian, just like the past 2 have been. Amazing to me, how some always eat this crap up?! They'll eat it up again and again and again! Cause really, who WANTS war with Iran. The US/Britian and of course Israel. Do you "believers"( like any other cultish/religious fanatic) really think Iran wants to end up in the mess Iraq is in? How gullible can anyone be, to believe that? I especially loved the line about martyr boats, hilarious! Aren't our canadian boys martyrs, "sacrificing" themselves for the "cause" It's all to obvious and yet, the oblivious, toddle on. I shake me head, it's all I can do!

why, nothing will change? do you actually think it will? You actually think the issue is GB?

Yes ,look back through History, lets use Stalin and Hilter, tell me about the distinction between "prisoners" and people of certain races, mental abilities, sexual preferences and political persuasions. Where's the line? Unless one is very naive, the problem is glaringly obvious! As for the govs. making the laws, it is likely in response to public pressure, as that is about the only way governments take much action. Think about it, how was it even brought to there attention that employer's were wanting to chip employees? Obviously citizens complained and enough of them, to make some politicians fearful, of a potential election loss, down the road, negative press, etc.

actually there have been some news stories of employers wanting to implant employees with RFID. http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archive...d_implants.html California Bill Bans Human RFID Implants as for the prisoners being implanted, I cannot support it. That kind of nonsense always starts somewhere, with it being ok to "chip" others, then the others end up being us. First it's ok to implant prisoners, then it's ok to implant people of a certain race,"terrorists" then it's ok to implant people who participate in certain actions. (anti-government) Bad drivers and on and on.We start the slide down the slope and it picks up speed. No to chipping PERIOD! It's utter nonsense.

and what with the backdrop of the dog and pony show of the "menacing Iranian boats"??? Doesn't it feel like a real drama that way?

dop: were the "iranian" speedboats really within 200m of the warship? or were boats BELIEVED to be Iranian speedboats within 200 m of the warship. read the articles. dop: Really? As opposed to those "believed to be" speedboats, How close are all the warships to iranian waters and coastline.?? dop: the UK affAIR was as much BS as this one is turning out to be, have you forgotten, the Brits themselves freely admitted they were intel gathering, on skynews recorded on british ships. http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1259413,00.html .Yeah, but the British government had no idea what these people were doing, right??? right dop: You only assume that is the case, right now there is nothing to indicate that is correct, at all!

lol, going out of there way to be truthful after caught in a lie? facesaving, ok? You mean "facesaving" right, now why would they have to resort to that?

I leave the spinning to the US ,as was the case here, you do note all the bactracking, don't you? Filipino Monkey dontcha know? as I said To those who continue to buy this nonsense constantly, why? why? why?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,22...ed=networkfront Mischievous 'Filipino Monkey' could have triggered latest US-Iran row Interesting to note from the article: The Pentagon said it recorded the film and the sound separately and then edited them together to give a "better idea of what is happening". The US backpedalling is even more obvious and note the FISHY filming method of the Pentagon, seperate film and sound eh? Like they attached there own "soundtrack"to the incident? OOps! NAILED! Those who recognized the scam this was, pat yourself on the back. To those who continue to buy this nonsense constantly, why? why? why? But hey it ratcheted up the fear didn't it? For the fearful anyway.

hmmm, a ron paul rant? but what does this have to do with the subject thread well it seems, ron paul aside, like all religions there are bad and good. This case the evangelicals? Bad, downright evil, intolerant,manipulative, taking advantage, and extorting etc., as for Fundamentalism in all religions, bah!!!! http://www.religioustolerance.org/reac_ter9.htm "embattled forms of spirituality, which have emerged as a response to a perceived crisis" - namely the fear that modernity will erode or even eradicate their faith and morality. the most conservative and religiously intolerant version of any faith. this bunch is living up to there label quite nicely!

that said Pindar "new world order" is not new, in fact it is nothing new at all. It is the very rich and very powerful creating a system that benefits them, period! we see this in the move to globalization, the creation of the EU, and all these other "unions" of countries. Including what will eventually be the North American Union. it will be easier for multinationals and there lackeys, to control trade, commerce, the movement of labour etc., to not have to bother themselves with borders, currencies, or too much democracy from the populace. It's not secretive, has nothing to do with families or societies. It is, what has always been, the rich and powerful vs the masses. call them the "landowners" the "gentry", "royalty". whatever.

have you read the Koran? highly doubtful!

Pindar: when using the term "new world order" unless one is Gordon Brown, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6277747.stm Brown wants a 'new world order' George Bush 1, ( more then once) or Sarkozy, One must expect a certain amount of abuse from the peons. Why? Who the heck knows? Is it possibly because they actually believe they are playing a role in bringing this "new world order"? referred to by George Bush, Gordon brown, Sarkozy, and other's Or is it because they are fearful that they are not? Do George Bush , Sarkozy and Gordon Brown have "tinfoil hats"?? Perhaps, the users of the "tin foil" terminology, should write these world leaders and tell them of there "tin foil " hat issues? Would they dare?

it can't even be boiled down to that. "If these boats had pressed an attack" Is there any indication at all they were going to? let's look at what was said.... believed to belong to, that is BELIEVED to belong So that means really, well we think that, but we don't really know, but it is what we believe so it's what we are saying , why? well the US has already backpedalled on that,they don't know where the voices came from, and they do not REALLY KNOW if the boats actually belonged to Iran's , they just "believe" it. well it seems they "drove around recklessly at a distance (200 metres away) and the "hostile intent" is another assumption, like most of the assumptions made in this thread. All in all, from what I can read, we got much ado about nothing. voices, that are unknown inc. who and where they came from? boats, that maybe or maybe not belong to the Iranian guard? assumptions of hostile intent? alot of assumptions and beliefs, rather like religion, really.

You are assuming it was actually Iranians, 'cept the US is now saying, they don't have any idea, who it was! Therefore, one cannot assume harrasment by iranians, or that iranians are manipulating America, since there is NO CONCRETE indications of where or whom these alleged voices actually came from.

Was wondering If anyone, would catch the US backpedalling? already! we don't know where those voices actually came from? too late all the dupes that bought the fear are already going. Myself, Thought it was Baloney from the get go. The very idea, that the US with all there warships sitting outside? of irans waters, is not a provacation in itself, then this drama right before the middle east visit, how timely! We're saying that we cannot make a direct connection to the boats there," said the spokesperson. "It could have come from the shore, from another ship passing by we don't know where it came from but hey we told you all it was iran anyway, quick jump the gun!

well it would make sense that, since the no fly list has been in place results should exist , to justify the program. So what are the numbers of terrorists that have been stopped from flying?? I mean actual real terrorists. Not little kids, breastfeeding moms and grandma's with plastic picnic knives. What are the numbers? Of terrorists? it would be big news, I am sure, so ........ show us the numbers BC.

Security is a booming industry. It has learned to create work and wealth for itself. I could not agree more!

this much is true, but ignorance, like the grandma with the plastic knife, is not "terrorism" but the searching that is going on these days is ridiculous. Have you read the stories about the gel bras, underwire bras and breastmilk in bottles.??? I am all for safety, but not at the subjugation of the populace. I also, as stated, have as of yet to see any actual increase in safety , from the so called no-fly list. As BC said,a "no fly list" was not needed to keep John Lennon restricted.

MH: The no-fly list fails the common sense test, in fact, it doesn't seem capable of anything except, passenger harassement, passenger inconvenience, labelling people as terrorists, who have ZERO to do with terrorism. This is common sense? Prior to the "no-fly" lists are you telling me, seriously, that terrorists were not known, and watched for?? That certainly is not the case. One can check the FBI list , for wanted persons. for instance. Has the no-fly list been successful in actually getting any terrorists since it began? IMO, misguided trust, for starters and irrelevant, given the fact that so much smuggling can be done via private planes and boats. Who are "security professionals"??? Minimum wage employees? Illegal aliens? come on!? here's a recent news story http://uk.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUKL1125322920071111 Security professionals are a fantasy, again a false security, you want to BELIEVE in. It is if your not a terrorist. Invasion of your privacy and personal space. It will lead to abuses, in fact it already has. On the No-fly list?? YUP!!! It's as useless as is it huge!!!

Moxie: Hmmm, and yet one would wonder why, why is George Bush and his gov, the big promoters of the "corn for fuel" scam???????? Are you claiming GW, promotes leftist socialist propoaganda???? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...6042500762.html I'll help you out k? as you do seem to need some assistance. GWB: " BUSH: one can hear Cargill and Monsanto roaring with approval! Ethanol is in no way shape or form a "lefty socialist idea" what utter nonsense! The use of ethanol is IN FACT a gift to big business and is utterly nonsensical from an environmental point of view. It is a gift to Cargill, Monsanto, big factory farms, a boon for the GMO promoters, pesticide manufacturers.

MH: You assume this based on 9/11. IMO this is purely nonsensical. The 'foot soldiers' of these groups, can easily be transported via private planes, How is it you think drugs get here? Many of them fly in, (smuggled) not on commercial airlines, either. Granted some drugs come via land travel. But my point is, there is no logical reason to think that the 'foot soldiers' would come in on a commercial flight. Especially in light of security measures, long line ups, strip searches, it would be most inconvenient now wouldn't it??? You know, muck up those plans? They can more effectively/covertly be flown in privately on a private chartered plane, via a well backed financial network, wether they be, drug cartels or arms dealers. Avoiding the inconvenience and delays of the commercial flight. Really think about and, then accept the no-fly list is for average jane and joe and is of no real value, except as a "false security" measure.