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kimmy . these things were long known. when cigarettes were being marketed as good, cigarette companies already had the research to demonstrate otherwise. another long known another long known they have parents who will make these decisions for them, parents who are responsible for their minors, health and well-being. No government required. the more things are alleged to change the more they are actually the same. As long as it is believesd or perceived things are more 'complicated', then we can accept new rules and regulations for these alleged new complications.

I always chuckle when someone say's "they don't blow up buildings" a reference to " muslim terrorists" we speaking of christian fundamentalists here. who btw advocate for the obliteration of a great many things to bring about there own 'religious' ideals. like this "4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

http://www.evilbible.com/Top_Ten_List.htm 10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours. 9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt. 8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God. 7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees! 6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky. 5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old. 4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving." 3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity. 2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God. 1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian. ring any bells???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Italianism I'll refresh some memories on what Italians had to put up with in the "new world" Italians have been stereotyped as violent, sociopathic, "knife-wielding" gangsters and street ruffians often akin to other minorities. [1] [2] This stereotype ranges from portraying Italians as working class thugs, to violent "guappo" immigrants, to Mafioso. Other stereotypes portray Italians as overly-emotional, melodramatic, low-class, superstitious, hot-blooded, aggressive, ignorant, obsessed with food, and prone to crime and vengeance over trivial slights. [3] The fear of Italians reproducing too much played a small role in Margaret Sanger's drive toward encouraging birth control[4]. Italian males are sometimes stereotyped as "Italian Stallions" or "Latin lovers," while females have been stereotyped as either overly matriarchal or voluptuous, flirtatious, and exotic. Italians have often found themselves at the receiving end of ethnic jokes, parodies, and discrimination due to certain stereotypes. hmmm, isn't that the steretype wrt to Muslims, oh ya, it is! Many Americans saw the swarthy, darker skinned Italians as a "missing link" between whites and blacks. In some areas of the South, as well as the North, Italians were "semisegregated." Yup, some compared italians to negros , and man , your talking, not welcome in a wasp family! Canada circa 50's and 60's and it still continues on to this day Italians interred like the Japanese, for nothing! Like the arab/muslims now? round'em up! Yup! yet, the reality, Italians are some of the kindest, hard working, warmest and most loving people.

kimmy, your big on promoting stereotypes, aren't ya? who executed theo van gogh, an individual with a "beef" .your using the incident to stereotype an entire group of persons. are there no christian's that committ murder's? For whatever excuse they may have? How about the young homosexual fellow who was murdered by some good "christian" folk? Or the ones who shoot abortion doctors? quick kimmy stereotype away. You may not even realize that is what you are doing , but it is exactly what you are doing. My dad was an immigrant, I've grown up hearing so many stereotypes about Italians. Did you know , "there all in the mafia" or criminals at the very least??? How time has changed that, but I do remember, so does my dad.

holy stereotyping batman! Speaking for myself, personally as a boomer. Ride my bike better then 2000 miles yearly, then daily walks in the winter, pilates or yoga 4-5 days a week. Cholesterol level to die for! Or as my doc says nearly perfect, excellent blood pressure to boot! no 'lifestyle' drugs required. what a crock of bull.

not stupid, coddled comes to mind, or controlled even more so. tail end boomer speaking here. loved the freedom as a child. unstructured days, lots of friends to hang-out with! No play dates.

Terrorism must be working well , it works so well for the US? when it's done by the US it can be called "freedom" "democracy" "peacemaking" "nationbuilding" "stabilising" and other such great double speak words.

christians do eat jesus cookies , though!

It was not intended to convey the impression, YOU chose to take from it. It was chosen to demonstrate to jbg, that there are limitations to our perceived "right" to insult and injure as seen fit by the party perpetuating the insult and injury. which is why I cited slander, libel, laws as restraints to unfettered insult and injury & defamation, hate crimes in later posts

I have heard this story reported on. Pretty disgusting!

I gotta say this jbg, I admire you for taking the free speech stance. But I will qualify it by saying: In taking the stance of free speech you must accept that , applies, to everyone' else's right to free speech also. In taking the stance of free speech are you doing so only because by supporting it, it gives you the right to exercise your own unique brand of it, without fear of repercussion. Or are you supporting it on principal, purely principal? I do wonder, so humour me, okay?

christians already eat 'jesus cookies'! Making it a non-issue totally.

Actually there are christians who already eat the "body of christ" it's called Eucharist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucharist Roman Catholic Church Eucharist (Catholic Church) In the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, the Eucharist is one of the seven sacraments. The institution of the Eucharist is one of the Luminous Mysteries of the Rosary. The Eucharist not only commemorates the Passion, Death, and Resurrection of Christ, but also makes it truly present. The priest and victim of the sacrifice are one and the same (Christ). The only difference is how the Eucharist is offered: as unbloody.[20] The only minister of the Eucharist, that is, one authorized to celebrate the rite and consecrate the Eucharist, is a validly ordained priest (either bishop or presbyter) acting in the person of Christ (in persona Christi). In other words the priest celebrant represents Christ, who is the Head of the Church, and acts before God the Father in the name of the Church. The matter used must be wheaten bread and grape wine; this is essential for validity.[21] According to the Roman Catholic Church, when the bread and wine are consecrated in the Eucharist, they cease to be bread and wine, and become instead the body and blood of Christ." Having eaten "the body of christ" many times myself,( in a past life, LOL) I find the whole thing now a bizarre and canabilistic concept. But whatever?!

btw : see new thread http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....showtopic=10814 Canadian "white nationalist" jailed for hate crime another impediment to unfettered freedom to insult, and freedom to be insulted.

It certainly seemed this had moved on in topic as always from specifically being about cookie eating, upon reading it. We weren't specifically talking about 'cookies' anymore, just a general right to insult, as a general behavioural right, or a "freedom" was what jbq implied. in this statement from him note jbg say's PART OF FREEDOM ( in general) includes freedom to insult and be insulted, (not specifically mentioning eating cookies.) Part of freedom to insult includes being held accountable for insult and resulting injury. Therefore my statments , speaking in a general manner to quote you kimmy and that's as far as your right, or jbg's or societies as a wholes', right to insult, extends, up to the point, where Or someone else's right not to bre insulted and injured by such insult, as I already stated. Therefore, Thanks for reiterating! what I had already said: I am going to include this section here: it address's the right to free speech: http://www.cba.org/BC/public_media/rights/240.aspx What about the right to free speech? The law protects a person's reputation but this protection can restrict other rights, such as the right to free speech. The law tries to balance these competing interests.

and there you go , the legal defintion of slander and libel are as far as anyone's rights go to insult. There are then also hate speech limitations, and civil suits if necessary. Therefore jbg's unlimited right to insult in a free society is still wrong.

yeah , and she CHOSE, to put herself on that show, and then she CHOSE to act like a crazy person. She embarrased herself.

except the family is not on trial and that is not the issue at hand. The issue is did he or did he not commit a crime? All the rest is meaningless. This is about an alleged crime, committed or not by the accused, and wether you agree or not, all the rest just muddies the water. to quote partially someone's signature.

I was so happy too! As a young mother at the time , I lacked the confidence, to be sure my gut feeling was right! I am forever grateful to that doctor, believe me. he was, old school, common sense, kind of doc! No playpen ever, free to explore, safely in the house.

and if he didn't kill the medic , then what exactly is he guilty of, this child , at the time? angus, are you saying, if he is alleged to have beliefs that are contrary to 'western values' He should be jailed, like , thought crimes???? now that is frightful. I'll go with the facts. If he didn't murder anyone, if he was shot while down ,with his back to the soldier, then , hmmm, sounds like there is zero proof of crime committed. If the Pentagon covered up when they found they had a 15 year old Canadian shot twice in the back, then the problem is of a person, a minor, who was imprisoned and has been tortured on the basis of fabrications. Now our alleged western values should come into play, that is our value of "justice" we in the west spout on and on about. Or are we going to continue to display the western values of torture, unlawful incarceration and fake trials? You know the 'values' we've seen lately.

what jbg fails to grasp is a right to insult or injure extends ONLY as far as anothers' right NOT to be insulted or injured. Therefore when jbg says He is incorrect

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/02/05/khadr-account.html Imagine my non-suprise on reading this one? The Pentagon involved in a cover-up, say it isn't so? Canada, embarrassing as always. Pentagon officials later backtracked slightly after it was revealed nobody witnessed Khadr throw the grenade. Pentagon officials said an eyewitness wasn't needed, because Khadr was the only al-Qaeda fighter left alive and the only person who could have thrown the grenade. Yet the soldier in his testimony says the child was on his knees facing away from him when he shot him twice in the back. So how exactly was Khadr 'attacking' the soldier?

actually jbg, no part of an individuals freedom could be described as , you have the freedom to be insulted or the recepient of insult or injury, as another party sees fit! are you kidding?! Are you for real? That's why we have such things as libel and slander laws.? right jbg?

I often wonder about add, adhd, and bi-polar being diagnosed in kids? Kids act pretty erratic anyway, they are so emotional, I mean extreme in their emotions. very sad, very happy. They are full of energy! I often wonder if the fact that kids, watch to much t.v , video games sit in front of computers, etc. They don't get all their energy used up, to physically tire themselves out. They then engage in "bad behaviours" to burn off all that energy. Personal note: when my child was much , much younger, she was busy, busy, busy! To put it mildly. My MiL insisted, my 'baby' was hyperactive, what did I really know, I had one child, she had raised three. I didn't feel that my kid, was hyper, though. Next doctors visit, I said to the doc, who was excellent BTW, my MiL, is always saying, my tot is hyper. He said ridiculous! Your tot is just busy and interested! To this day, I appreciate his wise response. Another doctor may have said, give the tot, some meds! MY little tot was one big going concern, I think I followed her endlessly. My Sisinlaw, said, god get yourself a playpen, if anyone has ever needed one it was you! Long story short, straight A student, all through grade and high school, who infact, we sent to a French language school, we figured if she needed lots to do, she was going to learn another language, that would keep her engaged. Now she is fluently bilingual, though we are both English speaking only. Hyperactive my foot!!!!