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or your concept of worship is meaningless!

All muslims may adhere to Islam as you claim, but then again we don't even know if that is correct , they may not adhere, they may follow or may not. You know like "christians" who show up at church on Sunday, and swear up and down they are christians but, then do all sorts of non-christian things. Ya know like be judgemental and hate they neighbours?! Stuff like that! But even if they follow Islam, it does not mean they are all extremists. If you assume they all are which clearly you do then you assume quite wrongly, and are following the exact ideology that got all Italians labelled as criminals , because the extreme minority were in the mafia. Christians just want to convert everyone, they have no real respect or appreciation of diversity, amongst their fellow man. Peruse some of the christian websites, Islam must be eradicated and everyone converted to christianity. This is what all this nonsense is about and what it has always been about. The footsoldiers of the church of christ and I use this term so loosely, have to believe the garbage preached at them, and do their duty. Hence we see Argus, Jefferiah, and other fundamentalist type "christians" espousing hateful views, half-truths and stereotypes to promote their views. This has always been the name of the game with "religion" he who converts the most has the most power and the most money. Same baloney as always, and yet, these are supposed to be enlightened times ???, LOL!!!!! http://answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm What is the best way to convert a Christian to Islam? http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101030630/ should christians convert muslims In africa the so called "christians" are busily converting , converting , converting, and making trouble also, but hey, gotta get those numbers up. So onward march the christian salespeople, making their pitch for their faith. The more we delude ourselves things have changed, the more they are exactly the same. Jesus refused to curse non-believers: Jesus' teachings were rejected by the inhabitants of a village in Samaria. His disciples asked that he exterminate the people of the village by issuing a curse. Jesus refused to do it, and simply move on to the next village. Luke 9:52-56: "...they did not receive him...And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village." Jesus's follower's then as Jesus's followers now? Just as unenlightened.

unfortunately you think it's meaning is the same to me , as it is to you. But when I said, I worship the stones or david bowie, did you think I meant it, in the same way, you worship Jesus??? ' 'This is where you are mistaken, since I am writing the sentence, I would use the words in MY sentence, based on MY interpretation of it. That's the way we all write,here on this forum, in OUR own words. Unless your writing here in someone else's words, I don't think so though? Are you? That is why you are making a mountain out of a mole hill here, because, you "worship' in one way, and I 'worship' in another way, and you are interpreting in your manner and I am interpreting in MY own manner. What you should have done was ask me for clarification of my intent in using the word , rather then pilling on wild erratic accusations based on your own interpretations.

as opposed to the very things that have been said about other ethnicities previously??? do no other ethnicities, rape, or murder , or riot??? do you recall, the statements made against the Japanese during the time period of WW2? the italians, always? I do not admit to that, because it is neither a distinct nor prevelant problem, it is instead focused on, like a glaring spotlight, to justify, our attacks on people of other countries, to excuse them, to elevate ourselves as superior , righteous and justified in our actions. It is the oldest wartime trick in the book.

unfortunately Argus, the uneducated suspicion and bigotry, directed towards newcomers has NO different origins. It is in fact the same. It is born of an ignorance of a different culture, true ignorance, lack of knowledge of the facts of the different culture. An ignorance that in fact lies in the promotion of sterotypes as knowledge. Fear of the different , which is pretty standard. Despite what you think, people are not more-open minded, nor sophisticated. One need only take a look around this forum for starters. Suspicion and bigotry abounds.

no it wouldn't because I do not worship Jesus the way you "mean it". So it makes zero sense to me to use the word in a religious manner You do of course realize the word worship is not just a religious word, right Jefferiah? I hope you do , goodness, man. You do realize that right?? Just answer the question, you realize that worship is not just limited to "religious practice". I suspect you do, but, you will deny it to the end.

and yet some people do! Italians are hard working, decent , very family oriented people. when I was a youngster, we used to all get together, and picnic in the summer, hit the beach, parents playing cards. and always talking, complete with arm waving. Italians are a passionate lot, and they display it in all they do, in the way they communicate,lots of hugs and kisses. always. They are warm good-hearted people. God, I love the food!. I love frittata's , biscotti, soppresatta, and more. Of course pasta, which I still cook and make my own tomato sauce, oh and yummy, basil, love the stuff, for pesto! Proscuitto ? home made and cacciatore sausages?? My family made their own sausage, wine. In the community I live we have a heritage society/multicultural center , and all ethnicities are embraced, and participate in festivals and more together. Recently we have many immigrants to our city from South America, and the Columbians/Nicarauguans/ Salvadorans have partaken in that festival, I count some great friends within that community. They also talk alot with their hands and our expressive, I identify greatly with them! So you get called a "cake eater" eh? mangia cake? If they like you and call you that, they are saying it with the greatest of affection. I have been known to do that

'mikedavid00' the statement i made is a statement of fact. your loss . too bad some of the best caterer's in my area are Italian, great food! Yes it's funny as in odd, how you and other whites can say things about Italians and actually be foolish enough to think you won't be labelled a racist. Particularily in light of kind of commment. Given they way you talk here, regardless of Muslim, Sikh or Italian, I would consider you a racist. A more likely reason for visible minorities to not identify themselves as Canadians, may have much to due with the nasty attitude/ reception they get from alleged 'superior ethnicities', (such as the one you purport to belong to), people who have learned racist , xenophobic policies taught to them by their own parents,who then are nasty and abusive to immigrants. Yup, I think they should!

yes, he is sure about that, because he just did it and likely does it often. It has been generally acceptable to abuse Italians.

The real issue is that this woman is wanted for a crime. and she claims , thus far in an unsubstantiated manner, that she must hide out of fear, so what??? That is what she claims, so ??? I can claim, I must hide from all my "mafia " (lol) relatives, so, does that make it true??? NOPE! It is only what I claim.

what????? re: to lynching of Italians go to the link I provided, read the link within that post. I am not Italian, I am Canadian. To be Italian I would have to have been born in Italy, I am not. The point I am making wrt to my Italian ancestry is that much of what I hear and read wrt Muslims, is what I heard and read and was exposed to as a descendant of an Italian immigrant.

I don't write in the religious sense. I write as the words are themselves defined. yet, I read a letter from a muslim, stating they do "worship" jesus , not in the narrow meaning you are utilizing but , in the definition of the actual word itself, not limited to religious interpretation. Perhaps the difference in "worship" your interpretation and mine, is that I define it, as the word itself is defined, and you define it in a narrow religious context. therein lies the rub, unfortunately as long as they hold jesus in high regard and love and revere him, it is indeed worship, perhaps not in your interpretation, but as the word worship is defined it is correct nonetheless. I have posted numerous defintions of the word worship. I informed you I worship the rolling stones music. I also worship David Bowie, no alters or prayers just adulation and reverance to great lyrics, guitar riffs and fabulous concerts. The word "worship" doesn't rely soley on religious overtones. So by DEFINTION OF THE WORD, my use of it was correct. Do you dispute this? Based on the defintion of the word, and not your narrow interpretation of it only? worship is not soley a religious word, you do realize that , do you not?

yup, that is it! geo-strategic reasons or interests , trump fairy tales, except for the gullible. Isn't it funny, drea, when faced with facts, we see the bastion of last resort , name calling?

afghanistan and the oil pipeline: http://www.worldpress.org/specials/pp/pipeline_timeline.htm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1984459.stm http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2001/oct...001.afghanistan Afghanistan has huge strategic importance for the west as a corridor to the untapped fuel reserves in central Asia -route to riches http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m113...i_80965677/pg_1 A new silk road: Proposed petroleum pipeline in Afghanistan - Document just a few articles. Yugoslavia Kosovo and the pipeline http://thedaily.washington.edu/2008/3/10/underreported/ The UnderReported: Kosovo’s independence a matter of Western oil interests, not democracy http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27b/016.html A Discreet Deal in the Pipeline: Nato Mocked Those Who Claimed There was a Plan for Caspian Oil http://www.serbia-info.com/news/2001-02/16/22419.html The Guardian: Trans-Balkan pipeline "the cause of the crisis in Yugoslavia" February 16, 2001 drea, don't feel "silly" , you got it going on girl!!!

left and right are bullshit labels, and that is all they are they deserve no credence whatsoever. to identify someone as either /or , is to make it easier for the labeller to "deal" with the person labelled. to label oneself as either/or is also easier, because it gives one an ideology already provided for them, requiring one to do less thinking and more following or conforming.

I Actually JBGlobe is correct the fears around Islam very much mirror the fears of Italians in general, not just the mafia, though that did play a role in it. I can see and hear the similarities in far to many postings here and in general. My father is an Italian immigrant. I posted an article here about the numerous stereotypes promoted against Italians, and can tell you some stories of my own, as my Dad can. Bigotry always rears it's ugly head, when something new or different comes along, particularily from small-minded individuals. find that post here http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....st&p=292032 I'll include some snippets: excessively violent-same sentiments exposed towards Islam cause "my dad is in the mafia" guess how many times I have been asked that, just guess, by many ignorant , foolish people? same sentiments towards Islam not good for all the "white' people, eh? like Muslims now, interred for being Muslims, but hey we can apoloigze and pay them out of taxpayers dollars, something Italians have never gotten. Italians were also lynched. So JBGlobe, if I am correct in identifying you, you are correct in noting the similarites and kengs, you are woefully mistaken.

do you know worship means: love, adore ,revere??? Ardent devotion; adoration. To regard with ardent or adoring esteem or devotion worship - a feeling of profound love and admiration look at what you quoted Muslims also love and revere including Jesus ,other Prophets , and then the person blesses the profits very beings /deities "May God's peace be upon all of these great messengers of God' Interestingly, how I learned about Jesus of Islam, was from a lovely letter written by a muslim , how much Jesus is revered (worshipped), by muslims as a prophet, it was in the toronto star around christmas time, so I started to do some reading on it. IF you prefer the narrow defintion of worship , so be it, but, it is clear Jesus of Islam is worshipped. I worship the rolling stones, but, I say no prayers , offer no gifts, but I listen reverently to their music!!!!!

There is also no indication the police told her to go into hiding from the article. "The police advised her to go into hiding after the incident, according to the newspaper." which means what, the newspaper talks for the police? why didn't the paper talk to and get a statement from the police? no indication of that? Did the woman tell the paper that, that the police told her to hide? Isn't that heresay? Her criminality is in fact the issue and it appears to be the only issue! She is portraying herself as a victim to avoid facing her responsiblility.

whitedoors look at the defintion, I know this is difficult for you but look at the definition. A deity or god is a postulated preternatural or supernatural being who is usually, but not always, of significant power, worshipped, thought holy, divine, or sacred, held in high regard, or respected by human beings. preternatural or supernatural Jesus of Islam fits that description not always, of significant power, Jesus of Islam fits that description but held in high regard, or respected by human beings. Jesus of Islam fits that description. by the most basic defintion of deity, Jesus of Islam fits. split hairs away, but if the shoe fits , wear it, I say and Jesus of Islam is revered as a deity. by your narrow foolish definition , God is therefore the only deity christians revere,right ? Except that is not the case, as Christians also revere the prophet Jesus as the son of God. Thats 2 deities for christianity! Yup God the father and Jesus the son, are both deities, check the definition! If you cannot grasp the most basic of definitions , well what more can I say? BTW: that is all the time I am wasting in debating such nonsense with you.

I think at all times all of us are guilty of being cyber-jerks. Unfortunately some people seem to positively relish and provoke it.

Ayan Hirsi Ali - went where all opportunistic liars go, to the American Enterprise Institute. Interestingly she has much in common with the alleged "victim" in the vehicular manslaughter case. Both playing victim, opportunistically using the fear mongering of the day, to excuse their own criminal/deceitful acts. Had Ayan Hirsi Ali came to Canada under such blatantly false pretenses, she wouldn't have citizenship here either. But since she is singing a tune, so many find attractive, like the sirens song, these same people who are strongly anti-immigrant and anti-islam hold her up as an idol. Though she is a false idol. http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Al...utch_Parliament just the facts!

roflmao!!! like I said :IMO, you say what you say, since you can not accept the simple facts of the matter. BTW: You really need to be able to admit when you are wrong. It's how you learn and boy oh boy, you are flat our wrong!!!!

no retraction a deity is a prophet or a god, or a shiny gold statue, whatever you wanna revere. zooming over your head, because it does not fit your obviously narrow definition of deity, or your ability to read and comprehend????? I don't know which or perhaps both?? A deity or god is a postulated preternatural or supernatural being, who is usually, but not always, of significant power, worshipped, thought holy, divine, or sacred, held in high regard, or respected by human beings. l

this woman is full of baloney, she is using a "fear of reprisal" to avoid facing up to her own crime, which looks, like an intentional move on her part to back up and crush the purse snatcher. Had she been so fearful of reprisal, she would have never made such a planned or calculated decision to reverse her car, she would have drove away or called the police. She is playing the "victim card" to avoid facing up to her own wrong doing. From the article there is zero indication she is in any danger, she has been tracked down by the judicial system only. She is using the convenient scapegoat of the day to justify her own avoidance of facing up to the crime she committed. it's pretty straightforward.

wrt to Quebec as 'founding people'????? as 'founding people'??? now Aborignals are demanding the same rights?? I suppose these rights only belong to the British??????