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Of the 300 000 who signed up to vote in the liberal leadersip finale,only 117 000 have registered (40%)
Where the age is known,59% are over 50.13% are from 25 to 34,19% 35 to 49 and 8% are under 25.
46% of the total are from Ontario and only 11% are from Quebec.
To me,these numbers are proof that the liberals are starting to deflate.
Also that much of their intitial support will fade away very fast and is not reliable.
If my assumption is true,then the liberals real numbers put them at arount 18-20% support.
And when Justin starts to really answer the questions??????
Any thoughts as to what registration numbers mean?
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There was never 300,000 people it was always a lie. BTW there are only 117,000 Liberals (including those who didn't pay) while the NDP had 130,000 members that eligible to vote in their leadership.
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Yah so big they are from getting right now to cut those war trillion from seniors and the poor. If they were so rich they wouldn't be having that conversation.So how many people is it OK to kill...how much is OK to spend. Remember, the USA has a much bigger wallet and credit limit than Canada, so don't be miserly.
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Not GW1 at all....Clinton and Blair bombed the crap out of Iraq in Decemebr 1998 (Operation Desert Fox).....over WMDs.
And how many people died? 150,000? Nope thought so. How much did it cost? 6 Trillion? Nope.
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No, clearly Saddam violated the cease fire terms. UNMOVIC proved this, and a proof was proven.
So in order to enforce the ceasefire between the UN and Iraq the US would need UN approval. Want to hit me up with that resolution? Again they broke the terms of the ceasefire to enforce the ceasefire.
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In 1998 and 1999 huh?
They knew they weren't 100% sure they would find them, they didn't want to go to war over something that wasn't there which is more then I can say about Republicans.
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You sure he wasn't just wrong?
Considering we know what Intel they had at the time from Blix and others yes I am sure he just wasn't wrong. BTW you don't get to be "just wrong" about a 6 trillion dollar war which kills 150,000 people Shady.
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You mean like Bill Clinton in 1998? And Hillary Clinton in 2001? And John Kerry in 2002?
Yes I am sure they all learned not to listen to Republicans after that.
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YES! The US to enforce the ceasefire. The US.
Again you don't see the stupidity in this statement "Breaking the terms of ceasefire is such a horrible act that we will cause a war which will kill 150,000 people to do it"................."We will enforce this ceasefire by breaking the terms of the cease fire!" That is some straight up 1984 logic right there Shady. All this for what? Well of course for WMDs that didn't exist because Iraq kept to the terms of the cease fire.
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So what do you think should be done beside paying his handsome pension ?
I think we learn our lessons about listening to Republican leaders.
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Punked can read minds, so he knows that Colin Powell lied. Of course, Saddam Hussein would never lie about anything. But yeah, Colin Powell.
I know Powell lied because there were no WMDs Shady.
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Dumbest thing said in this thread. That whole Powell presentation was about the US getting the go ahead to enforce the ceasefire under the UN terms which they never did.No, the terms weren't being enforced by the UN. They have no means to enforce them.
So the justification for the war was Iraq broke the terms if the ceasefire (kinda) so in order to teach them a lesson for the terrible crimes of breaking the ceasefire the US breaks the terms of ceasefire. WOW that's some real Shady logic there.
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The US can do whatever it pleases in this regard, as it has always been the bulk of UN "muscle" anyway. The UN also sanctioned/legitimized the post invasion transitional government and rebuilding efforts. Canada was first in line for Iraqi oil services contracts.
Cool story bro. Where are those WMDs?
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It wasn't about WMDs and you know it. WMDs were a pretext for the conclusion of a US/UK Iraq containment policy that pre-dated Bush and was no longer acceptable post 9/11.
Really because Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz said: "For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue - weapons of mass destruction - because it was the one reason everyone could agree on."
So the Bush admins reason was WMDs. Maybe you think their were other reasons but they didn't share them with the public. Powell lied and people died.
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Not perceived violations. Actual violation of agreed upon terms.
As long as we ignore in the agreed upon terms the enforcer is the UN not the US right and that UN passed a resolution which the US then went outside of. Oh you don't actually care about the agreed upon terms nor do you understand them so do I bother?
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what do perceived violations of a 91 ceasefire agreement have to do with the U.S. bypassing the UN and self-authorizing its armed forces to, "defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq"? Where was the imminent threat to the national security of the U.S.?
It does seem weird that this ceasefire agreement was between Iraq and the UN. Shady keeps pretending it wasn't but it was.
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So there's 5 trillion dollars interest on 1 trillion dollars? Stop making ridiculous things up.
I am citing numbers quoted from the LA Times story from 3 days ago. I am sorry you don't read any news story after 2004 Shady probably why you still support this war. Maybe if you ever got out of the bubble and picked up a real paper.
In case you were wondering, the price tag for the war in Iraq could eventually top $6 trillion.
Tuesday marks the 10th anniversary of the U.S. invasion, occupation and slugfest of Iraq, which, lest we forget, was begun in the name of protecting us from weapons of mass destruction that never existed.
A study by Brown University's Watson Institute for International Studies finds that the war has cost $1.7 trillion so far, with an additional $490 billion in benefits owed to war veterans.
Those costs could grow to more than $6 trillion over the next 40 years, the report concluded.
http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-iraq-war-cost-20130318,0,1591279.story
I agree the story sounds made up because of how dumb of a decision it was in the first place. Its funny how the deficit hawks around here pretend this war isn't the cause for America's finical troubles even though in the end it will cost half of America's present debt.
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So what? Blix didn't fight GW1....Powell did. The US and UK gave Saddam and his henchmen more than enough time to capitulate peacefully. Even your favorite war monger Chretien said that Saddam brought it on himself.
No one is talking about Saddam we are talking about the 150,000 Iraqis and 4000 Americans who died. You act like there was no cost. There was a cost not even mentioning the 6 Trillion dollar (when we count in interest) price tag. All about what? WMDs that didn't exist. Powell lied and people died.
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At the time, Blix was very adamant that such violations must be corrected and that more cooperation must be forthcoming. Blair and Bush used the material breach findings as additional rationale for an invasion that was committed to long before. For instance, Saddam was found to have extended missile ranges beyond those permitted.
Agence France-Presse
Sunday 23 February 2003
Chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix has issued an ultimatum to Iraq
to start destroying its stock of banned missiles within a week but
according to International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) chief Mohamed
ElBaradei, Baghdad is still not co-operating fully over arms
inspections.
By imposing a deadline of March 1 for Baghdad to begin the demolition
of its Al-Samud 2 missiles and warheads, Blix has thrown down the
gauntlet for Iraq to provide rapid proof of its good faith and
willingness to comply with UN demands on disarmament.
http://archive.truthout.org/article/blix-gives-iraq-a-week-start-destroying-missiles
At the time Blix asked the US to but out and let him do his job. No amount of rewriting history is going to change it.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/06/12/blix.interview.cnna/
Blix says he received little intelligence during his time in Iraq that his teams could ever confirm.
And the former Swedish foreign minister had this warning for the future:
"I think one has to be cautious in making use of the armed forces on flimsy or shaky grounds that it has justification," Blix said.
In the end Powell lied and people died.
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Yes, and Hans Blix found that Iraq was in 'material breach' of the GW1 surrender instruments. What fun to review this stuff....seems like old times (on another forum).
I believe from reading Blixs book he found the breaches were superficial but had nothing to do with the motivation of the resolution which is why the US could not get the UN to vote for war right?
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Where is it written or stated that when a country violates the terms of an agreed upon ceasefire, that military action can only be used if a country poses a so-called imminent threat?
I believe some of what you were talking about was written in United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441.
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I just heard on the radio that they're looking to exempt people with less that 20,000 euros in their bank accounts. Makes sense.
They aren't doing anything. The voted down the bail out. They went to Plan B a wealthy Russian or 5 is swooping in to bail them out. BTW word on the street is the Russians are willing to help because they are about to lose their only naval base in that area when Syria falls so buying out Cyprus will sure help them as a world power.
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It depends. In Greece it was found that a good number of people avoided paying taxes but demanded services from their government that we would find laughable.
If that's the case in Cyprus too, then yes it is the public's fault as well.
This measure seems like forced tax collection. In reality the CRA can do similar stuff if they believe you owe them more than you've paid.
What's galling about what Cyprus is doing, is that it's across the board. You could be struggling to save and be living pay cheque to pay cheque and you'll take a massive hit to the money you need to live.
What is happening in Cyprus isn't rocket science follow the money:
Cypriot banks, had the vast majority of their money invested in Greek bonds, and this is where the mistake lies. In case you are wondering, this is probably a combination of incompetence, and historical/cultural connections between Cyprus and Greece. As soon as the EU took the decision to wipe the value of those bonds by 80% for saving Greece, banks in Cyprus took a huge hit and these are the effects now. Its the same thing that happened in Spain, banks inflated a bubble and now the average person needs to pay for it.
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If you say so....remember he was 'your president'....LOL!
Sure was my President who I trusted until we all came to know better. My lying president. Powell lied and people died.
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Nope...if you go back and read the Congressional resolution for war (2002) and Iraq Liberation Act (1998), it was a long list of Saddam's transgressions stemming from the 1991 Gulf War in addition to any WMD issues, real or imagined. George Bush didn't just show up in 2001 and invent the conflict out of thin air.
As for the "world", two other prime ministers agreed and the rest didn't really matter, including Canada which we now know wanted plausible deniability while supporting the invasion. It was a shock to Canadians to find out that 'moral outrage' didn't count for a damn thing, and Canada's "allies" didn't really need them to do the dirty deed, same as in Gulf War I.
Nope he invented the reasons for conflict out of thin air.
Sequestration Demagogy
in Federal Politics in the United States
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The majority of sequestration cuts don't roll out until may so maybe you want to pull back on that one the furlough are just going out now I believe on Thursday the DOD is going to tell 800,000 people how long they will have to take their Rea days for. Most the military sequestration which are the ones that are going to hurt the US are just rolling out now.
Remember this is a trickle and almost all of it hasn't happened yet.
PS Shady no one takes your posts from right wing blogs seriously after your whole "I wish Obama didn't kill Osama so he would be as popular as Bush was with one country" post from the right wing blogs. GET OUT OF THE BUBBLE!!!