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Did you just post the SAME jet stream post on your new thread? Followed up with the same weather underground thread? That is adding nothing new to the conversation which of course is trolling. Reported.

Who is scurrying? Most people just get tired of the constant deflection and give up knowing it won't be a logical debate. I apparently have more time on my hands to show the facts that waldo believes in are based on spurious data.

Because its convenient.

So a bunch of local/regional examples most of which aren't even extremes. Temperatures in California....not extreme even by waldo's own statements. Redding was just 2 degrees off from its extreme. I'll remember to say the world's temperature as increased but 'just' 2 degrees. The Central European flood....5th most exepsnive non European flood? How is that an extreme? Now I do like the topic of jet stream because I do believe there are larger forces at play like the jet stream, El Ninos, etc. Perhaps there is a shift in the jet stream. Perhaps this shift is causing these weather anomolies. But is there any chance that this same jet stream factor happened in the past? Any chance at all? Of course waldo has shown that the jet steam has shifted but no actual proof that is man caused. Lets look back to another decade of weather extremes....the 1930s. Here are some local/regional examples of my own: 1936 North American Heat wave - worst heat wave in US history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_North_American_heat_wave) 1930s US Drought - most extreme in history http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/archive.html?year=2009&month=03 1930s Dust Bowl - caused by the drought http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_Bowl 1931 Central China Flood - worst flood in world history....ever. (http://floodlist.com/asia/central-china-floods-1931) 1932 Calgary Flood (Bow River) - worst until 2013 flood for recorded history however reports speculate that two floods in 1879 and 1897 that were signifcantly worse than the 2013 flood but they didn't have the instrumentation to mark it. (I'll touch on this later) http://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/calgary-floods-it-could-happen-again/8295/ July 7, 1931 - Highest Temperature ever recorded in Africa (Tunisa) (previously a higher temperature was thought to be reached in Libya but again faulty instrumentation was to blame (to be touched on later) http://wmo.asu.edu/africa-highest-temperature February 11, 1935 - Lowest Temperature ever recorded in Africa (Morroco) (http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalextremes.html) February 6, 1933 - Lowest Temperature ever recorded in Asia (Russia) (http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalextremes.html) Out of the 18 records set on the above Global Extremes link, the 1930s claim three of them and 2001-2010 has none. 13 of 18 extremes happend prior to the 1950s. The closest one to 2001 was in 1994. So what the heck was happening in the 1930s to cause such extremes? It certainly wasn't caused by man. Was it a force like a shifting jet stream? Possibly. An odd coincidence of course is when we look at US landfall hurricanes which of course is the most reliable data we have according to waldo's scientist who offered his above quote from the WMO. In the 1930s there were 19 total hurricanes with 8 of them being major. Between 2001-2010 there were 19 total hurricanes with 7 of them being major. Just sayin.... I was easily able to show waldo that various authorities on tropical cyclone studies have stated and shown that the most reliable data that exists is after 1966. (http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/E11.html). This is just one more example to add to the 1897/1879 Calgary floods and extreme temperature in Libya being reconsidered examples. The instrumention in the earlier days was not prevlent or as advanced as ours is today. This change in instrumentation has caused spurious data to be used such as the claim that waldo has issued from the WMO stating that 2001-2010 had the highest cyclone activity in the northern Atlantic basin since 1855. You can't compare today's values past 1966 but the WMO did. Why? To further this point I would like to present this link from the NOAA NESDIS (National Environmental Satelltie, Data and Information Service) http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/ghcn-daily/index.php?name=coverage This link show the GLOBAL Historical Climatology Network and its coverage of stations worldwide (land and oceans). This link shows maps over the course of time with the various temperature and precipitation stations plotted on the maps. It is clear as day that the number of recording stations has vastly increased over time. As stated in this link: Again....we see the most reliable data that we have start in the 1960s yet a large number of extremes that we have seen occurred in the 1930s. We will never be able to truly compare 'apples to apples' because of this lack of data but any data pushing extremes needs to be considered rather than just accepting it on face value.

Report away waldo. I trust they will see a similarity between your constant reporting and your constant trolling.

I don't need to bring anything forward to back a claim that you continue to state. That is your job. Your constant denial to do so only proves that you have nothing.

That is not true at all. I gladly agree with them when they use the data properly and not pick and choose statements to serve their purpose. I absolutely deplore any one organization that misleads people by using fear mongering statement that simply aren't true. I feel the exact same way about organizations on the 'other side'. Use the facts....and that is it. Don't make things sound better or worse than they are just because you want to prove your agenda. Seriously...I will gladly entertain studies that show any increases in global events but I will criticize any area that uses serious data. If they don't then I will applaud it.

Like you said above....that is my interpretation which they will have the ability to interpret too. However there will be zero interpretation in the vulgarities you have spewed. Thanks for reporting it.

So in other words you can't.

You posted and backed a claim that has been shown to use spurious data and falsely attribute to the NOAA. You have purported this claim a number of times on various threads. I have no problem with you reporting this as its a fact.But don't worry....I'm sure they're not going to like your "piss off" little ditty either!

I went through them all and none of them showed this ''global' assessment. Please provide at your earliest opportunity.

Nope...just hard nosed objective facts from the NOAA. You know the ones that you manipulate to make your WMO statements

That settles it for me. Cougar hands down!

No....the two studies and one blog you provided only cite local/regional examples. Cite some peer reviewed data showing some of this global assessment that you're talking about. You know...something that shows the global intensities or frequencies of such events are increasing and of course how global warming is causing it. Surely you have that?

That is funny. Seriously though....cougars are some of the best predators. They stalk their prey for miles where as most bears will run at loud sounds. I think based on that the cougar is out looking for fights and the bear is looking to avoid them....so I would give the edge to a cougar. Having said this, get in between a bear and her cubs....now that is a different story.

Can you give me an example of an extreme weather occurance and how global warming caused it?

waldo...please provide some of this studies of your global assessments. I have asked you for this data numerous times in the Alberta Floods section and you continue to deflect or respond with local/regional responses. Not sure why you use the word tactic either. I would replace that with logic.

No playing here...just facts

I just did. I welcome people to look at both sides waldo...not just yours.

Thank you for your opinion. I just wish you could learn to play the ball and not the player

We've already been through this on the Alberta Flood thread but apparently waldo feels like wasting more bandwidth. The coles notes version is: 1. The Calgary flood of the Bow River was slightly higher than the worst flood of all time in 1932. The Elbow River did not come close to its worst flood level ever. 2. The WMO statement that waldo purpots above states that hurricanes have the most activity in the Atlantic basin since 1855. The only problem is that the world's authorities on hurricanes have stated the the only reliable data we have exists since 1966. As such its just another attempt at skewing the perception of what is extreme. As for goverments changing infrastructure, it has nothing to do with global warming rather it is entirely to correct decisions made to build on NATURAL flood plains in years past. If you want to build there, then you need to build levees or someother form of water control because they won't bail you out when this DOES happen again.

You want me to respond to one of your challenges when you have yet to come close to any sort of response on my challenges to you. LMFAO. BTW...are you playing the player here with your above quote?

I'll see you in your new thread

I particularily like this deflection where I purposely added what the NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER defines as activity and you convenienty crop in in your response. Do you not agree that is how they define activity? Are you again saying the NOAA is wrong? When you figure out what activity is let me know.

Deflection #3. Man you are really good at the art of delection.