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I wish I could correct you but you’re not wrong.

Looks like old data to me. They are still claiming unvaxxed are catching it way more than vaxxed which is clearly not the case in any areas that Omicron has hit. Maybe Washington State hasn’t had Omicron yet?

Did they say what the vaccination status of those who died were? I can’t seem to find stats from any province on the recent death stats

It’s not even half though. If you look at the Quebec website, over the last 28 days the hospitalizations have been: That’s 1131 unvaxxed, 84 partial and 2123 fully vaxxed. That means unvaxxed are at 33.8%. Even if you add in the partially vaxxed its only 36.3%. I think he meant the ICU and not hospitalized as the ICU is exactly half of fully Vaxxed versus Not Fully Vaxxed Its frustrating that a Health minister would make that mistake but it’s more frustrating that no one corrects him

The science shows it but its not pushed by the media or our government, hence the reason these people don't get it.

So knowing that these vaccines have waned AND the virus has mutated to a point where it significantly evades vaccines, then WHY is every screaming at the unvaccinated? I got it when the game was early and the numbers were very conclusive but now its more like you guys are just pissed that you injected yourselves and didn't really get the reward. I guess that is your raison d'etre in that your side is using this to get people to get boosted however IMO, they are going at it wrong. They are demonizing the people who will most likely never get a shot in hopes it convinces the others to get their booster. Instead they should leave the vaccinated out of it, emphasize the drops in efficacy and then push the booster as a way of saying....hey, you liked that protection you had before? Well take another. I guess the remaining race is between how many get boosters and how many lose immunity due to vaccine waning. The reality is that if only 30% get boosters then those fully vaxxed in the ICU will continue to climb.

Please educate yourself and actually look at the numbers rather than listening to some reporter. Its easy....here, I will provide you the direct screenshot for you to see. 1353 hospital beds and 137 ICU beds taken by people that are fully vaxxed. I get the the true comparison needs to be per 100k however here is the question that none of you guys seem to answer: If vaccines worked then why are there 1353 people in hospital beds? At first we were told the vaccine would prevent you from contracting and spreading it. We know that is false. Now they are saying it will prevent you from severe illness. 1353 people in Ontario would beg to differ. If the vaccines actually worked the way they made you believe then there would only be the unvaccinated and maybe a few odd breakthrough cases. The fact is the vaccines have waned and are no longer the proper ones for this variant.

Do you think....maybe just for second....there is now more of a chance that variant will emerge from vaccinated people considering 80% of the cases are in that group? The reality is that if you are so concerned about the 'unvaccinated' creating a variant then you should round up all your buddies and donate your booster shots to the folks in Africa who haven't had an opportunity to get their first.

That certainly would be another factor. I know in the UK where they track those fairly well, saw a 30% drop in Covid hospitalizations when they started tracking. Aside from that, I think its interesting to note that based on that data above, 22.3% of ICU admissions were people with no pre-existing conditions. This, however, does not include age in the mix. If we add pre-existing conditions and age then I have to believe that number would be even lower. My largest frustration with this process has been the data (or lack of data) and then the biased representation of the data.

I guess I'm still holding out hope that there is an ounce of rational thinking in most vaccinated people. The vast majority of people I know who got vaxxed didn't want to. They got vaxxed assuming they would get to return to normal life which has not happened and now they are hinted at needing a third dose to keep your special status. At this point there will be more people who become 'unvaxxed' and more people pissed.

100% correct. I have argued from the beginning that the binary they have imposed (vaccinated versus unvaxxed) is only part of the story. However they have had the numbers to justify their position up till now. Not sure about other provinces but Alberta posted the number of people with cases, hospitalization, ICU and Deaths based on pre-exisiting conditions. As you can see, this is the true binary

That's what I mean. The chances of doing just that are next to none. That's why I want to know what they do mean by mandatory vaccination.

Your claim is not right for a number of reasons: 1. Fully half as described above includes those with unknown status. Can't include those if you don't know 2. You say 'not fully vaccinated'. Even excluding the unknowns, you are including the partially vaccinated (5.6%) and the unvaxxed (17.1%) which would actually be 22.7% and not 15%. May not be important now but those numbers are constantly changing with increases for vaxxed. It will be good to have solid goal posts

I am curious to see what mandatory means in their eyes. Key thing at this point is Duclos went out of his way to say this was just his personal opinion but these guys aren't that dumb as they know that whatever they say is spoken on behalf of the government.

I love how they group numbers to their benefit. According to the website, the numbers are: Unvaxxed: 123 Partially Vaxxed: 18 Fully Vaxxed: 137 Unknown: 107 So let me regroup this in a different but still true way: Of the 385 in ICU, 262 or 68% have some vaccination or vaccination status unknown. If vaccination status is unknown then it can't automatically be included in the side you want to pump up your numbers. I do find it really interesting how the goal posts have been moved so much and no one seems to care. First it was the unvaccinated getting infected and being the ones to spread it. They found out that wasn't true so the shift went to hospitalizations. Then the vaxxed started filling up the general hospital beds so the new posts are the ICU. Just a heads up....those numbers are shifting too. What do you think the government is going to focus on when the ICU has a high percent of fully vaxxed?

Are you ok if those hospitals are filled with vaccinated Covid patients?

Just like when Trudeau and Kenney said they’d never do vaccine passports. Right?

I was hoping you were correct but then you hear this stupid shit. https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/health-minister-believes-mandatory-vaccinations-coming-to-canada?r Looks like Trudeau's Health Minister wants mandatory vaccinations. It ultimately comes down to the provinces but again, the feds can easily implement other coercive tactics (similar to carbon taxes) that will make the provinces do what they want. To all you folks out there that said, its still our choice.....maybe not??? Interestingly enough, this doucebag's comments come at a time where he is starting to lose the numbers. Look at Ontario today, 71% of hospitalizations are fully vaxxed. Even ICU is steadily increasing as it hit 43% fully vaxxed (this number used to be like 10%). Alberta's vaxxed hospital population has flipped where they are now the majority after months of it being largely unvaxxed people. The most glaring mistake buddy says is: As per Quebec's own provincial website, over the last 28 days only 34% of hospitalizations have been unvaccinated. And this number (if like Ontario will continue to decrease). Its obvious to me that these guys know their vaccine strategy failed. They need continual boosters to get the numbers they need for success and that's why they are doubling down. I can only hope that people wise up to this bullshit before it goes too far.

I can appreciate how the death number may look scary however Florida has also incurred 3.3 times the Covid cases compare to Canada when looking at cases per million. Canada is at 64,903 and Florida is at 214,650. Its not like they're dying at a much higher rate based on the case count. I guess this comes down to how you view Covid playing out. At this point it looks to me that everyone is going to have to catch Covid whether you are vaxxed or not in order to get that natural immunity. Certain countries (like Sweden) went with limited restrictions and they had most of their Covid deaths in 2020. Their deaths per million has been pretty stagnant while other countries constantly go up. So I guess the question is....are we just delaying the inevitable? Are certain people more susceptible to Covid and once they finally catch it, they see an unfortunate end? Ultimately we might be able to push it off so a good number of people catch a variant that is milder and they don't die from this even though they would have died from previous strains. Keeping in mind that the average Covid death is 83, we can assume that these saved Covid patients will go back to passing from something else. Besides, if you are so concerned about deaths per million, why don't you say anything about New York State where they are even higher than Florida despite their draconian mandates. Maybe the mandates and lockdowns are working like you think?

Never mind…I found it

Citation please

You haven't heard about IHU yet? More mutations and more capable at evading vaccines however the WHO says its not so bad. https://www.firstpost.com/health/france-detects-new-covid-19-variant-ihu-more-infectious-than-omicron-all-we-know-about-it-10256521.html If that one doesn't scare you then what about Flurona?? https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/what-is-flurona-and-how-serious-is-it-1.5728519

That's exactly what I was thinking of when I was writing my post ? I'm hoping you're right but even as we near the goal posts, it seems they keep moving. I have said for a while now that I don't care about being right and would rather just have it over but it still seems like there is this polarizing vaccination drive even with a variant that is proven to be less severe. Take our fearless leader today: https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canadians-are-angry-with-the-unvaccinated-trudeau-1.5728855 Have they said that? I have only heard them focus on the vaccine and not on hopes of a safer variant. I might not have been listening to that part. With that said, I can be certain they have consistently said that vaccination is the way out which I think has been proven wrong. In Canada anyway, there was only really one wave of Delta that the vaccine helped with. We basically took waves 1, 2 and 3 on the chin and now wave 5 is showing the vaccines aren't stopping cases and looking like they aren't going to help for hospitalization/ICU. Again....I do hope you're right

To try and say my cold is worse than your cold is purely subjective and impossible to actually quantify. The best way for quantification is the number of hospitalizations, ICU and death. Up until this point I accepted that the vaccines prevented more severe illness as the numbers supported it. However two things: 1. There is a time limit on those vaccines as shown early in the UK and Israel, and now showing here 2. New variants will evade these vaccines making them less effective, possibly to the point of being useless. In both of these cases the NEW numbers make a quantitative statement that shows the vaccines are losing their effectiveness. They don't stop spread and mildly reduce hospitalization (give it another week and it may be no reduction) The only way that one can say the vaccines are doing anything is by the numbers and sadly they aren't favoring your side right now. Perhaps boosters will change those numbers but word is the boosters only last 10 weeks. What will the 4th booster last...3 weeks?

Your logic is like saying this magic rock is preventing me from getting Covid. Since I don't have covid it must be true. It is not possible to prove a negative in science. I also don't have cancer, AIDS or the flu...must be the rock. If the unvaccinated are catching it at the SAME rate as the vaccinated, then your statement is categorically FALSE.