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21 hours ago, Dougie93 said:
salvation is not by acts, but by faith alone
Not to be picky, but if I choose faith over facts, it is an act of my mind.
A very poor act that breeds inquisitions and jihads instead of decent apologetics.
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On 1/18/2024 at 3:52 PM, Yakuda said:
Mark 16:15-16
Then he said to them, "Go forth into the whole world and proclaim the gospel to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned.
It would seem Jesus is pretty clear and straightforward.
Not when you consider the immoral implications.
Can you take the reality on Jesus dying for Christians, from a moral perspective?
It takes quite an imagination and ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.
Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.
It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.
To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.
Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
There is no way that Christians parents would teach their children to use a scapegoat.
Good morals and Jesus speak against the messianic concept and bids us pick up our crosses and follow him.On 1/18/2024 at 3:55 PM, TreeBeard said:Every religious person thinks they’re saved.
Way too many think they need to kiss the rear of a genocidal Yahweh and his Armageddon loving son Jesus.
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4 hours ago, Yakuda said:
Seen by who? You? You can be absolutely certain of one thing, there isn't anything I care less about than how I'm seen by you or anyone not on the list of 5 people whose opinion of me matters to me.
Sympathies for your lack of pride.
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5 hours ago, Yakuda said:
I didn't say they were independent I said God's knowledge of my choice doesnt prevent me from freely choosing. You're assuming Gods knowledge makes things happen. That's not the case at all unless you can show how it makes things happen and prevents other things.
1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.
The above is when Jesus was chosen by Yahweh to be the messiah.
Yahweh would have to insure that someone was going to sin and even kill Jesus, even before those people were born.
That is God in full control with the other players have no free will choices in the matter.
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17 hours ago, Yakuda said:
So people could freely choose to obey God or not.
Obey or die. Death is a deterrent to a free choice.
I see you ignore my questions. Try thinking some time.
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16 minutes ago, Yakuda said:
So people could freely choose to obey God or not.
Counterintuitive, given the great power Yahweh gave her over us.
Is that why he gave Satan dominion over the whole world; to fix Yahweh's error?
Satan is then, correctly, the better God for tis world. Right?
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34 minutes ago, Yakuda said:
He may plan what you call imperfection and failure but no one is interested in what you think is imperfect and a failure.
This is precisely the problem, God doesnt do what you think he should do so he must be wrong. How long ago did you kick God out of your chair?
The moment I saw that I had to save those so immoral as to love and adore a genocidal homophobic and evil God.
Condemn that immoral SOB, or be seen as one.
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4 hours ago, Yakuda said:
Knowing what someone will choose does not take away their choice.
Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.
That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."
But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.
If all sin by nature, then the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.
Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."
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On 3/22/2023 at 12:43 AM, arikel88 said:
choice to not of eat of it
Why did A & E not choose the tree of life to eat from first if they had a real choice to do so?
Would you make Adam and Eve's choice and indulge in what Christians sing as a happy fault and necessary to God's plan? See Exsultet hymn.
I sing that when I sin. Do you?
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On 3/22/2023 at 12:43 AM, arikel88 said:
Adam " Choice "
Why did Yahweh put Satan in Eden to tempt Eve, knowing what a mess would ensue?
If Adam's feminine side ended in Eve, who holds Yahweh's in your version? Satan?
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On 2/17/2023 at 8:14 PM, arikel88 said:
freewill
What did Jesus, who never spoke out against slavery say about free will, other than. --- do not use it?
To all the sages of the day, as well as today, recognize that to exercise free will was/is to basically commit suicide.
As Socrates used for this scenario to win debates, I ask the slave, who would make your shoes?
IOWs, You cannot be free as that means living on your own and dying.
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On 2/17/2023 at 8:14 PM, arikel88 said:
Nor it belongs to hebrew people, eunuchs, or angels it only belongs to him to judge.
The bible belies what you think.
Gen3;22 Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil;
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.
We are all wisely advised to judge all things.
Some read scriptures and see a good God in Yahweh, while the more discerning will see an evil genocidal God in the same character.
What do you see?
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On 3/22/2023 at 12:43 AM, arikel88 said:
Because one you have since Adam " Choice " he can choose and not like the devil you can change your thinking that everything is decide you have to think outside the box ! People here the conlflict so many people is your freewill because everything is predestined you think you never had any choice God gave you A choice ! You were sent here by God A long time ago for God said he met you and knew you before you were concieved in your mother's womb. You have a plan, God planned you and sent you, you don't know it ! Yet. Were all part of God's divine plan and when he sent you here before you came to this world he gave A mission ! What is your mission or purpose ?
Did God also create Hitler and Stalin for their genocidal missions?
They too were created in God's image, right?
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On 2/21/2023 at 8:25 PM, bcsapper said:
If religious people really believed that a God has given us free will they wouldn't complain about anything.
Obviously, they won't ever bloody shut up, so we can assume they don't believe the free will garbage.
Or at least, if they claim they do, they are hypocrites.
Do you have a free will and where did it come from if not a God?
If nature, you are not free and must follow the programming.
I think I do have a free will but that it is limited by nature.
I, like most, no longer use free to express my political ,position. I use Liberty.
Statue of Liberty was the gift that put freedom notions aside.
You would not like to live in that thought and acted otherwise.
Thankfully, we live where we are only free to break the laws.
Make sure the law you break is worth breaking.
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Just now, Yakuda said:
Let's start with the first one. Who says God would make every would perfect?
Are you suggesting that an omni everything God would plan on imperfection and failure and not the best success of his creations?
Do you plan for failure or success?
If perfection and success, you already think better than some Gods.
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6 hours ago, Yakuda said:
Hell is a choice.
Wrong, according to scriptures. I have a TLDR for you.
Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?
Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byHYeHN4ZUQ
Those quotes seem to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us.
The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures.
If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith?
Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?
Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?
I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then there is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed.
Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.
What is your choice of those two options?
Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars.
I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.
What do you think is the truth?
Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?
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5 hours ago, Yakuda said:
Hell is a choice. Your choice. No I one is forced to believe anything as evidenced by your disbelief.
You read me wrong.
If there is a God, as I have scriptures quoting, he would make all souls equally perfect, as befits a God.
I also know why Christians sing of Adam's sin being a happy fault and necessary to God's plan.
This is true for nature as well as Yahweh.
What sin could possibly be so huge that anyone could do to earn hell?
Which soul could God have screwed up on so badly that it would screw up his perfect creating method stats?
By how many % points is God less than perfect?
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Rights, without the enforcement from our oligarch owners, governments that is, are a worthless bunch of words.
How can we make an informed decision about our leadership be had, when the media's biases are all store bought by that same leadership's money?
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21 hours ago, Yakuda said:
Copy and paste where I said that.
Copy and paste where I said that.
I asked, you did not answer. Pathetic.
10 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:Why do I get the sense that the world you would have us live in would have lots of hate and genocide?
Perhaps because of your low I.Q.
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2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:
We are offered love and guidance,
Sure. By a genocidal, homophobic a hole.
Why do you value such hate and poor moral guidance?
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1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:
most people support current Canadian unlimited abortion rights that allow abortion up to 9 months
This is an outright lie.
45 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:You’re missing a major distinction. Yes all are created in the image of God, but no, we are not perfect and not all choices are good or of equal value.
You think someone would choose to be in an oppressed minority. Wow.
You are throwing out all kinds of unqualified statements like the one quoted that I would have to waste too much time correcting you every time you do such.
Tell us though, if sexual preference is a choice, when did you choose whatever you are?
How strong was your impulse to choose to go gay?
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On 1/9/2024 at 3:42 PM, Yakuda said:
So if I understand you correctly the "right wing" is in moral decay because they oppose abortion??????? I am new here and I've only read a few of your posts but i have to hope you're trolling because if you actually believe some of the stuff I've seen you post then something is very wrong.
Your understanding is not on point.
I do not like to see any potential human aborted, but that does not give me the right to impose my desire to save it onto another.
Mine is a complicated view sometimes but I always take the moral position which is usually not where the religious are.
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On 1/10/2024 at 1:02 PM, Zeitgeist said:
Don’t confuse use of metaphor with lowering of expectations. The story of God’s people is that they make an agreement (Covenant) with God. He will favour and liberate them, but they must follow his Commandments. When sin abounds, so does desolation: flood, Tower of Babel, slavery among Egyptians, etc.
Are we not all Gods people?
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On 1/10/2024 at 1:01 PM, Yakuda said:
DESIRES
Are you saying that God does not have the power to do his will and get what he wants?
Are you saying that God creates us less than perfect?
Who is saved? Jesus says...
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It is a work for the mind to choose faith over facts or whatever the old belief was.
I am French, but I believe that English to ,be correct.
Have faith in that fact.