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4 hours ago, TreeBeard said:
Objective morality was set aside.
I do not see such a thing as existing.
Wait.
Would, --- set notions of objective morals aside, in favor of subjective morals, --- an objective moral tenet?
Did I just refute my first sentence ?
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On 1/25/2024 at 9:51 AM, Yakuda said:
The first paragraph is utter buffoonery
Do you disagree with the biblical quotes, or is this garbage your best apologetics?
Oh wait? Memory says it is.
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8 hours ago, TreeBeard said:
It does make it necessary though, correct? What would God do about it? Is there punishment awaiting?
If it’s not right, then I should let the child starve?
Isnt this a case of situational ethics? The situation determines whether something is right or wrong. Not the biblical commandment “thou shalt not steal”.
Where is your biblical objective morality now? You admit to breaking commandments in certain situations. You’re now a secular humanist!I am surprised that you got that much coherency out of our moral question dodging friend.
I must go for the throat too quickly. He just runs from any moral question I ask, even with biblical quotes.
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On 1/31/2024 at 8:24 AM, mukinurmorad said:
I get what you mean about prayer—it's like a personal chat with yourself. But for me, it's also a way to tap into something bigger, you know? We all see God differently. It's cool how diverse our beliefs are.
Yes, but never forget inquisitions and jihads and how we should put man above our human created Gods.
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On 1/29/2024 at 4:22 PM, Zeitgeist said:
You need a higher authority than yourself. Your personal morality as you’ve presented it is sketchy.
Given this poor judgement, I am not surprised that you would bow to a brighter and more moral mind.
What is sketchy about my moral thinking?
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24 minutes ago, Yakuda said:
You can't beging to fathom something that questions your programming.
Kettle to pot, and from a brain dead supernatural believer, who adores a genocidal and homophobic God.
Wow. Double Wow.
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21 minutes ago, Yakuda said:
He is talking to both. If Jesus was speaking only spiritually the question in V 61 makes absolutely no sense in the context of the discussion.
So because you cannot fathom something, you prefer to call Jesus' quoted words a lie and Jesus a liar.
Ok.
Great apologetics and debate strategy. Not.
Get your single eye in gear, and try to have a bit more faith in the real teachings of the way more Gnostic Jesus.
He is a lot better than the genocidal homophobe one.
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39 minutes ago, Yakuda said:
First the question makes no sense if he was speaking "spiritual union or relationship" since that isn't shocking.
You have Jesus talking to your carnal/physical body, while Jesus is clear that he is talking to your spirit. He wants us to eat of his words and drink of his spirit. Nothing carnal. Think of the sop and it's meaning. You can do this buddy. You are not stupid.
John 6 ; 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.
Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.Go inside yourdelf to find the only God you can ever really know.
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3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:
Sin is a bad thing.
Sin and evil, as your bible says, was created by Yahweh for his pleasure.
Explain Yahweh's pleasure at creating what you call bad things.
3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:Adam chose not to listen to God and ate the apple.
It was not an apple. It was the knowledge of all things as all things are subject to being good or evil.
That includes sex and reproduction.
Would you have Adam and Eve to listen to Yahweh and end in not reproducing and never knowing they were naked?
3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:The point is that with freedom comes responsibility.
Yes, and knowing responsibility means knowing good from evil, which is what A & E chose. A happy fault and necessary to our continuing evolution.
3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:If you believe in a higher authority than yourself or the state, you want to follow that moral code,
I recognize no higher authority than myself. I choose to follow rules and laws at hand or not. This is a pure biblical recommendation.
It says we adults know good from evil, as with our archetypal Adam and Eve, and should hold to the good.
Jesus endorses this with his, have ye forgotten that ye are Gods?
I have not. Have you?
Who wrote the moral code you follow?
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31 minutes ago, Yakuda said:
But it isn't. This has been pointed out to you people thousands of times. In Johns gospel Jesus says 3 times eat my flesh and drink my blood. Then John 6: 61 says "Aware of the complaints of his disciples, Jesus said to them, "Does this shock you?""
Why would they be shocked if Jesus wasn't speaking literally?
I don't blame you so much as you have been sold a pile of lies but once the truth has been revealed to you and you still reject it, then it's all on you.
Ok. Jesus ate babies.
Done here.
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10 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:
We are reflective beings with minds that seek purpose and deeper understanding.
So Adam's sin was a good thing. Right?
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11 hours ago, blackbird said:
I doubt you will find any poster on here who has that kind of information at the top of his head.
Who were the Chrestians who came before Christianity?
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On 1/26/2024 at 10:38 PM, blackbird said:
First, I would ask do you believe in God?
Are you talking of Yahweh, the genocidal God that Christians adore?
If real, would you shoot that bastard for his mass murders?
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On 1/25/2024 at 5:04 PM, Yakuda said:
That's not what Jesus said.
That not what Jesus said.
Jesus is clear andi. John 6:61 Jesus asks after saying 3 times to eat his flesh, "Does this shock you?" Why should they be shocked if he meant "spiritual consumption"?
IDK, but it is really stupid to think Jesus would preach cannibalism.
His way of thinking is what he was selling, not body parts.
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On 1/25/2024 at 5:14 PM, Zeitgeist said:
Sorry but you just have a lot to learn. You can read my prior posts but they are scratching the surface. Suffice it to say that there are good reasons for long-established values because they have stood the test of time and collective wisdom. Radical departures from such morality are just that. As for your strange remarks about killing gay people, etc., I can only think either you’re ignorant or trying to get a sympathetic reaction.
So you have no answer as to why sin is a happy fault and necessary for our continuing evolution.
Thanks for your other unqualified personal opinions.
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On 1/25/2024 at 6:08 PM, Michael Hardner said:
Not Christians but Abrahamic religions including Islam, Judaism, Christianity,as well as Baha'i, Druze, Gnostic religions and others...
The Exsultet hymn is a Christian hymn. Thanks for catching that.
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18 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:
You make the common mistake of confusing love of the sinner with love of sin.
Why do Christians sing of Adam's sin, and ours, by implication, as a happy fault and necessary to God's plan?
Do you not agree with common Christian beliefs?
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On 1/24/2024 at 2:52 PM, Zeitgeist said:
The critical factor is an appeal to a higher moral authority than the state
How is your genocidal and homophobic God a better moral authority than your present government?
Would your God kill off all the LGBTQ+ in total, or would he have you keep the young females this time ?
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On 1/24/2024 at 10:53 AM, Zeitgeist said:
Only a complete fool would pray to a state. Interesting though how confused some people are on these matters.
Only a complete fool like you would speak of something no one proposed.
The word pledge was used and not pray.
Only a dishonest fool like you pulls such B.S.
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On 1/24/2024 at 10:50 AM, Zeitgeist said:
You don’t seem to know the difference between venal and mortal sin, nor the difference between temptation and sin.
I do not trust your judgement to understand much, not even how to argue, given your unqualified opinion that invites no reply or show the difference.
Go waste someone else's time.
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57 minutes ago, Yakuda said:
Jesus himself said, unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you do not have life within you. John 6:53.
If you weigh Jesus' body and blood, he would not feed many, so the reference cannot be carnal/physical.
It must be spiritual consumption of thinking and not cannibalism.
Remember the special meaning of the sop of the Last Supper, as a reward to ones best friends.
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11 hours ago, TreeBeard said:
Are you going to address my question of freedom of conscience and thought and how that squares with the tenets of Christianity? Let’s deal with that first before we talk Hammurabi.
Jesus said if we just think about a sin, I don't know, screwing someone perhaps, it is a sin in and of itself.
From that we can see that Jesus does not allow freedom of choice or conscience.
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18 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:
Otherwise there’s nothing to prevent us from becoming another China.
Have you seen American kids do their morning pledge?
It is to country and not to a God.
If the Chinese are at your door, all will pray and pledge to the state is what sustains you and not some God.
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16 minutes ago, blackbird said:
One place???? After I gave you lots of verses showing it is by grace through faith alone.
Forgive me. I just had to refute your blatant false claim. Read the Epistle to the Galatians. If is full of rebuke to those who make your claim. From what Paul says you are under a curse or anathema for adding works to faith for salvation.
I agree with you on grace. God controls whether one will believe or not and thus God damns whoever he wants. Regardless of the scriptures that say he does not lose any souls.
Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?
Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byHYeHN4ZUQ
Those quotes seem to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us.
The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures.
If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith?
Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?
Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?
I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then there is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed.
Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.
What is your choice of those two options?
Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars.
I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.
What do you think is the truth?
Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?
Is sola fide true?
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Where does one find this faith?
If produced by a brain and mind, that brain and mind is doing work, therefore, faith is reliant on works and deeds of our minds, making the question rather foolish. Right?