Michael Hardner

I agree with you Argus, 100%. I was hoping that Rae might eventually submit some new and interesting ideas for governing the nation and was considering voting for him. Now, it appears that he's aligned himself with this self-serving power play that Canadians have already started rejecting. The Liberals and NDP have now lost my vote with their recent behavior.

5 agin, 4 in favour...

Back to 50-50. 4 votes for, 4 against. I wonder if the shoe were on the other foot, would the Conservatives on this board seriously consider voting Liberal to stabilize confederation. I'll admit that it feels strange. I have emailed my MP to let her know my displeasure with this tactic. It all feels like a giant bluffing game gone wrong.

Thanks for the rickroll, k. Here it is, no rickroll: citynews.ca

Ok. 4/7 in favour.... Not a good number...

Wait, guyser, are you saying it was never supposed to go this far ? Odd thought, that.

I've been asking fellow Liberal/NDP supporters what they think of this coalition and even the die-hard supporters have been iffy on it. Strategy-wise, this seems to be shaping up as a big mistake.

I keep referring the coalition tactics as 'throwing the corpse of Dion at Harper to see what happens'. Harper may have been hurt. The corpse can't be hurt. Here's to metaphors...

Wow. We seem to be at 3 lib/ndp/bq AGAINST the coalition vs 3 FOR the coalition. Only 50% of supporters here support the coalition ! This doesn't bode well for the 3-headed hydra.

Small c - are you normally a lib/ndp/bq supporter ?

Ok, well what a wonder 3 minutes of reading can do you. The Clarity Act simply states the conditions under which the Government of Canada would negotiation Quebec secession. The question as to whether Canada would negotiate things such as a common currency is open.

To circle back to the point of the thread. We're at 40% of Lib/NDP/BQ supporters AGAINST the coalition, I think.

Stevoh, for my own records - you're 'usually' a Liberal, NDP, BQ supporter then ?

Good to see that Morris EDITED that post.... Anyway, we have some folks on this thread with good knowledge about the issue. I'm wondering if someone can add some explanation of how the 'clarity act' would come into play after a declaration of independence.

Cap, that's an excellent point. I would submit that posting to MapleLeaf, though, is a more positive contribution as it inevitably leads to education on the issues.

Very true, however what better time to offer tempting 'presents' to Quebec ? Perhaps Duceppe will find something under his tree this Christmas such as: 1) Boost in transfer payments 2) Trade considerations 3) Quebec allowed to issue passports Ho ho ho !

Perhaps, but it is within the PM's right to ask the GG to do that. And I'm saying this as a non-conservative !

BTW - I suggest that proroguing be celebrated by eating perogies, or 'proroguies' in this case.

That's a tongue twister and Canadian history. I think that the GG did the right thing by not going out on a limb and following the instructions of the PM. The Queen's representative is, after all, a figurehead here and shouldn't be acting on her own judgement in my opinion.

Does anyone have a link to Dion's video ?

OK... so what part of 'Liberal, NDP, BQ supporters only' wasn't clear ?

Simple question to lifelong Liberal, NDP, BQ supporters: Do you support the coalition ? As someone who has never voted conservative, I don't support it. I think the timing for this action is terrible, that it destabilizes the government, and that the foundation is shaky at best. Against. *Note - I didn't make this a 'POLL' thread because I don't want anonymous responses here.

Thanks, mjp, for a breath of reality on online petitions.

Argus, I agree that Harper seems to call forward an undeserved stream of venom from those on the left. I am (nominally) centre-left and I don't understand it myself. The only thing I can see to compare to it is the venom that comes from the right against the left. You can see both flavours of irrational knee-jerk spittoon kickers all over this board. If we focus on the facts, eventually we'll come to see that the stereotypes don't exist, and the positions we hold need data to be defensible in an argument. As for this coalition government - I have never voted conservative. Not once. And I think this is a bad idea. I would be surprised if this move was popular.

If nothing else good comes out of this (and I'm betting on that) then at least some citizens might learn a little about our process, and that public anger, whatever the level, doesn't guarantee that the angered get their way.