Michael Hardner

Not only do the corporations save money on outsourcing, but American consumers save money. If you want to point to a conspiracy, you need to implicate anyone who has ever shopped at a WAL-MART to reduce their shopping bill.

Still, Scriblett, you're on shaky ground if you try to base an assessment of Islam on news reports regarding terrorism. The problem ISN'T numbers. The problem is cofactors.

More of Mr. Canada's typical sloppiness. Please, can we get some more kimmys and Arguses on this board ?

Kimmy, Your post is well thought out and I appreciate your concern. Definitely there are areas in which religious rights and individual rights come into conflict and you have highlighted these. Hopefully, you will see me defending Christianity now and again so that you can at least appreciate that I don't favour any particular religion.

Borg, Out of context ? You typed a few words of prose and concluded that the entire religion is to be feared. And now I'M to be feared. I support the constitution, and - yes - I'm sure the idea of freedom of religion terrifies you. Thanks for the book suggestion, but I've had enough of posters like you making stuff up, posting it as facts and telling me to go read a book.

Cop: "What happened to your business partner ?" Perp: "I shot him with my snub-nosed Presbyterian when I was cleaning it."

I don't determine that. If somebody says they're a Christian I take them at face value.

Mr Canada, here's your post again: You're incorrect - the average Canadian was more likely to switch to the CPC than the average evangelical.

The article mentions the numbers, and you're talking about the influence of Christians on the political process. It's in decline, relative to the whole of Canada, if you look at the numbers properly.

margrace, You're the other type of religious bigot that's on here - well placed with the many anti-Muslims, you will attribute murders that happened 1000 years ago to people who are doing good work today. It's quite shameful, and intolerant for you to do that.

Mr Canada, Thanks for your post. I do appreciate it. In fact, kimmy and I discussed this very matter above. Al-Banna spurned Western ideology as sinful. I equate this to what Amish and Orthodox Christians do. There is no link between following a sober religious life and espousing violence. If Al-Banna or any of these organizations encouraged violence and armed struggle then I would support your objections. Conversely, if anybody at the CBC ever decided to support a Christian fellowship (as they well should, now that they've decided to support other religious groups) then I would defend them against the inevitably cries of protest.

Mr Canada, In your usual manner, you misrepresent, ignore and misunderstand. As I have explained clearly, the original article is mistaken. In fact, the influence of evangelical Christians on the Conservatives is declining according to the numbers in the article.

Well, Lester, assuming you're Christian then maybe there is hope. I was raised to follow the golden rule, which I think makes the world a better place. If Mr Canada followed that rule, he would apologize for his many gaffes and false assertions.

Mr Canada, AlBanna is not the leader - he died in the 1940s. Again, you show that are a lazy poster and a liar. Admit your mistake please. There's no point in moving forward with these discussions if one party keeps soiling himself over and over and doesn't rectify the situation.

Actually, the sad thing is that Christianity is now only defended by false Christians such as Mr Canada - who puts forward any falsehood he can get his hands on and calls himself a Christian. It's no wonder Christianity is in decline when these are the loudest defenders of its virtues.

Mr. Canada, What an unapologetic liar you are ! You said above that "It is stated clearly that this group is against integration. It's right there" Now you scurry away from that allegation ! How shameful ! Now you're saying that I shouldn't believe what they say because of your false allegations. None of the other allegations you make in that post were backed up by the article posted at the top here, but that doesn't matter. I'm not moving forward until you admit your mistakes and lies in this thread. Your method is to throw out more lies and falsehoods when you're caught ! There are posters here that can put forward a well-considered and consistent argument regarding the question Muslim integration. Their goal, I believe, is for a better country and I can at least debate with them in good faith. But you are just a liar who runs away from his lies as soon as they're found out, then comes back with a fresh pack. Stop defending Christianity on this board, as you're not a Christian.

No, you are. In fact, I now believe you to be lying. Go to the MAC website. In fact, the opposite is clearly stated: MAC website I'll give you a chance, though, to defend yourself against my assertion that you are a liar. If you admit your mistake, I'll withdraw my assertion.

Mr Canada, I did read it, and didn't remember seeing the terms 'Bhurka' or 'Nigab' so I went back and google searched the page, and 6 or seven of the pages referenced. THOSE TERMS DIDN'T COME UP ONCE. You are a highly annoying poster here because you make things up, and then falsely accuse people of not reading your sources. If you don't improve your approaches and improve, I'm going to have to conclude that you're doing all of this on purpose. By the way, that is called bearing false witness, which would make you a false Christian.

eye, You have my interest. Why not go through a specific example ? Lake Typical is a typical lake in Canada. The Federal government has determined that for the utility it provides to the world, it is worth $50 Billion. It declares the lake a federal asset worth $50 billion. There are industries in the town, some directly dependent on the lake, and some not, that may be closing due to less demand for goods. How can the new value of Lake Typical be leveraged in order to help them ? I'm trying to imagine, but I can only come up with horrible ideas of lakes being sold for profit. Can you take the example further ?

Borg, This is another post about Islam that amounts to not much. The method of such posts is to paint a vivid and ugly picture of the worst parts of a culture, and then imply that it will be imported to Canada through immigration. Of course, you could have done that with the Chinese, the Irish, and even the British in the past. It's not an argument, it's just prose. This group sets *integration* as one of their goals. Isn't that what the Muslim haters on this board always ask for ?

Mr. Canada, The strategy may be good or bad, but as I have posted here several times it's not working. If you look at the numbers closely in the original post here, evangelicals are moving away from the Conservative party relative to the average Canadian. Also, btw, I do believe you are correct - that it's ok to use the term 'Queer' which was re-appropriated by homosexuals in the 1990s. I know gay men who use the term freely. Score one point for you on this one.

Ok, Auguste, but telling a story doesn't require that you tell it from every angle. There are almost an infinite number of stories that could be told about the Vietnam era. He choose to tell one about the American Dream.

Mr C, A break ? Jeez, it's not like you're exhausting yourself by admitting your many errors, and refusing to back up your assertions. For example, this whole thread - started by you with this: It's a falsehood, backed up with an unproven assertion. The falsehood is that the CPC is gaining in influence in Canada (false) and the unproven assertion is that religious people tend to vote CPC because they're religious, and not for the other reasons. (eg. They're well-off, they're older, etc.)

What is it about religious people that makes them not want to mix in with society ? With Christians, separatism of this type directly disregards John 15 v27 Christian facebook is coming

I'd also like to point out, Mr. C, my post from the previous page that explains that the Conservative party is actually losing favour with evangelical Christians, when compared against the average Canadian voter. This basically says that the religious right, what there is of it, is disappearing. And the fact that religious people vote Conservative is influenced by cofactors such as income, age, etc.