Michael Hardner

Comparing the relative violence of various holy books out of the cultural context of the two regions is such a waste of time.

It doesn't sound like that behavior is endemic to the religion, though. I think that the Founding Fathers wanted to create a country with freedom. First the Christians came, then Jews, Buddhists, and others. But somehow, now Muslims aren't supposed to come over here and evolve like the rest of us ? Why not ? Your proof consists of horrifying anecdotes from the other side of the world. The same, and worse, comes from African superstitions. Should we keep Africans out too ? If we're going to win, it won't be by building a wall around ourselves. It'll be because our way is better for everyone.

I actually agree with you. The worst, though, is voyeuristic entertainment that exploits the worst human curiousity. It's up to each individual to try to curtail the demand...

JS, you have shown time and time again that you're willing to misrepresent facts and overstate your case. After awhile, one can only reach the conclusion that you don't have enough real evidence to make your point. Can you provide a link to tell us that these killings are common today ? Thanks, in advance.

How about if they lower personal income taxes but increase corporate income tax, which have been drastically reduced over the past 50 years, to the point where individuals are paying far more of the tax burden than ever ?

I'm not sure why people still bother to post individual instances of violence when so many of us have already stated that we're not influenced by these stories. The same goes for complex explanations of shadowy conspiracies that will some day (soon ?) bring down the west.

Hmmm... Celine Dion, Shania Twain, Bruce Cockburn... Also, I think Canadians have more pious celebrities per capita than any other country by a factor of about ten thousand. This is why 'Trailer Park Boys' could only be regarded as a breath of fresh air in this country.

Why are they filthy ? They drank coffee in front of Amish people... Who should we go after first - international arms dealers or cameramen ?

That site does a good job of tracking down which conspiracy theories are still open, and which have an explanation.

I'd be the best proof ? How do you mean ? You've already stated that you are friends with Muslims. Isn't that proof enough that they can assimilate, like every other race ?

Argus, I know a handful of them. What's your point ?

Restaurant owners in the southern US used a very similar argument when opposing the civil rights act of the early 1960s.

Here: 911 Myths

It doesn't matter. There was an Asian arrested in BC so it's all ok for people to discriminate now. Sigh. If the people posting this stuff weren't so intelligent I'd be less befuddled by this stuff.

More sarcasm... I too am sorry. Everybody knows that race and religion is the best determinant of the criminality of people and that social factors have absolutely no effect. That's why we don't want to let Muslims into Canada where our social mores will have absolutely no effect on them.

Oh, ok. I was worried that something bad had happened but it's clear that this bouncer had run a full slate of SAS linear regression tests on crime vs. race behind the velvet rope before he made his wise decision. Thanks.

Let's see those nordic statistics. The last time someone tried to post anything, there were statistics missing - which the writer claimed was proof of immigrant crime. The time before that, somebody posted an erroneous statistic about 3rd generation Turks marrying within their faith. Why are almost all serial killers white males ? Do you think it's the male culture of violence to blame ? Crimes evoke fear, which is understandable. But we need to use reason to prioritize where the problems lie.

Again, you speak of religious extremists - that exists in every faith. To blame it on the faith alone removes too many contexts. Do you know any 2nd or 3rd generation Muslim immigrants ? They lose their faith as all of us have. That is nonsense. I have seen the resumes of many Muslims who have come to Canada with Masters degrees in Engineering and Science. Again, its ridiculous. You would think that there's no such thing as an educated Muslim by your post.

What group ? Their nation, their race, or their religion ? You used the term 'extremists' and that's the best way of grouping these people together, in my opinion.

Well, I don't understand then why you fear the extremists, if you have Muslim friends and acquaintences then you know that they're not all 'like that'.

Mine is the counter assertion. The assertion would state that Muslims are different from every other race on the earth somehow. That's what I'd like to see proven. "no other people had displayed such capability for violence as a mob....shown on tv. " It used to be blacks that people were afraid of, in the 1960s. Times change, I suppose. I have been close friends with people of every race, and I don't see the reason to fear any of them.

It sounds like you're agreeing with me !

Yes, and the young woman (daughter of two devout Muslims) who flirted with me over drinks at a bar last week. I'll leave her to your mud coloured view, though it's much more fun to visualize my scenario...

Jerry - I don't doubt that the world is overrun with 'stories'. In fact, you've posted too many stories here yourself. But it's not 'stories' that are the problem... Or maybe they are...

Borg, Shark, Jerry, I honestly think that these things are an overreaction and I think that Muslims will assimilate over time. If someone has something other than anecdotal evidence to the contrary, then I'd be glad to look at it. As it was, we had somebody posting that 90% (or somesuch) of third generation Turkish immigrants returned home to get a wife - this from a reputable source - only to find that the study they sourced was misquoted.