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  1. You must be making reference to B.C. and what have they done about it or did they have no choice?

    Or was it simply a Federa Liberal decission to promote and flood the province with Chinese and Asians rather than Brits., Americans or Europeans?

    Or was it initially a provincial decission to desire this type of foreign immigration?

    I was referring to over a hundred years ago when the West was flooded by immigrants, partly as a mechanism to discourage American manifest destiny.

    As far as B.C. gies, a lot of that 1990s immigration was a result of two things, the turnover of Hong Kong and of internal strife in India. B.C. was anxious to encourage wealthy Hong Kong residents to settle in the city. There has been adjustment issues for the Chinese but mostly, it has increased the prosperity of British Columbia.

    Moreover, as the Hong Kong situation indicated China's willingness to leave businesses alone, many Hong Kongers returned to Hong Kong armed with a Canadian citizenship. They go back and forth rotuinely which is good for trade.

    There has been a much harder adjustment in regard to Indian immigration. A lack of understanding of the religious undercurrent led to the greatest terrorist attack in Canadian history. Still, the prosperity for B.C. has been tremendous.

    Overall though, B.C. has done quite a bit to faciliate immigrants adjusting and prospering in the province. It has been called the most liveable city in Canada and one of the most liveable in the world. Quite an achievement.

  2. I don't care about the question. My point is we have too many immigrants coming to Canada. Period. Full stop. Spreading them out so that smaller centres get to feel the same pressures of pollution, crime and social upheaval does not strike me as a great improvement. Nor can I imagine how it would work given social mobility. You want to have Ontario place lots of Muslims in Kenora? These people up and left their country and crossed several thousand miles to get here. You think they won't pack up and drive down the highway to get to Toronto where they have eighteen cousins and several job offers?

    We all let our experiences, our impressions from what we read, our impressions and information taken from those we talk to, what we see on TV, etc. determine our opinions. Numbers of immigrants on welfare are not readily available to me. If you have them feel free to post them. Ah, but you don't. Still, you are trying to take a position which says they're in far fewer numbers than I suggest. Where are YOUR numbers?

    I can go to any public housing project and see the vast sea of visible minorities. What evidence do you have?

    If Ontario is failing in to faciliate immigrants integrating into Ontario, then it is a failure of the Ontario government, not the federal government. You say you don't care and just want to end immigration. That's not exactly holding your own province accountable. And it doesn't address the needs of the rest of the country.

    As for people packing up and moving, what evidence do you have that people migrate immediately after they arrive in the country?

    I have no idea what the number of refugees or new immigrants in Ontario that are on social assistance. But since it is one of your primary arguments against them, I ask you to provide them. I won't do your research for you.

  3. What I want is for people who are in favour of mass immigration to have to live among the mass of immigrants and not retreat to some cosy, semi-rural town while the rest of us have to cope with what their idiocy has wrought.

    I would gather up every immigration lawyer and consultant in the Toronto area and force them to live in the Jane/Finch area.

    What is the province doing about facilitating immigration?

    The west have lived with mass immigation and for a lot longer than Toronto.

  4. jdobbin (a praire dweller) original post quotes "My little praire city? I live about 3kms from a town with about ten houses and no business's in it. I choose to live away from the city life. You chosse to live in it. You can complain about yours if you like but I am fine with mine!"

    So jdobbin thinks he's smart enough to escape the pitfalls of Canada's rotten immigration system while actually supporting it, forgets it is the big cities that keep rural Canada alive.

    In other words if 'big cities go down then rural Canada goes down'. Your part of the the problem of the decay of Canada whether you think so or not.

    And J.fortin (a praire dweller) must be spaced out if he says he is living in Alberta who is facing current major labour shortages makes this amazing statement: "The entire question about immigration does require a rethink, that much I will agree with you on. But having the government tell people where to live is a no-no."

    And to think Mr. Harper ( a former praire dweller) is running the country, hopefully he doesn't think along the lines of these two.

    What on earth are you talking about? Get your facts straight. I never said "My little prairie city." Think you got the wrong person.

  5. An escalating war will serve the purpose of providing increased profits to the military industrial complex at the expense of the citizens through direct taxation. Will it hurt Bush, no. He can't be hurt because his term ends, but it can and will hurt the Republican Party.

    He could have a complete lame duck final two years in power if her loses Congress.

    Apparently, they are dusting off the 9/11 films to show that Bush is still in a war to secure the United States. It is the one thing that unites people behind him. What will it work for Representatives and Senators as it does individually for Bush? That is the big question.

  6. That doesn't tell me anything. Many of us have lived in crappy neighborhoods. What are the numbers?

    You sound suspiciously like those multicultural advocates who demand people supply proof that immigrants and visible minorities/ethnic groups are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime - after first ensuring such statistics are not kept.

    You accuse me of being an advocate? What next? A liberal?

    I haven't called you a racist. I am asking for numbers that support your argument. You say those numbers are kept secret.

    Prove that they are kept secret. Who says they are kept secret? Which government? Which private business group? What think tank?

  7. That doesn't tell me anything. Many of us have lived in crappy neighborhoods. What are the numbers?

    A public housing project is not a "crappy neighborhood". Have you ever watched the news from Toronto about shootings? Ever wonder why, though they rarely mention race, the camera shows virtually all the inhabitants are Black? At every shooting? This is the product of immigration: We now have the same kinds of black slums as the Americans do, infested with drugs and crime.

    So what has the Ontario government done to faciltate immigrants into the province? I keep asking again and again.

    You tell me I'm wrong but I haven't heard why you're right on immigration.

    Why is Toronto's experience in isolation the experience that happens all over the country?

  8. Specifically what? You say that most refugees come from "refugee camps" which is nonsensical. Most of them turn up at the border and most aren't even real refugees, but economic migrants. You say that immigrants aren't eligible for welfare, when the Ontario government has complained of the enormous costs of providing them with welfare. I don't think I need to prove anything. I think your statements require proof.

    I never said anything of the sort.

    I said that the Ontario government has within its constitutional rights, the abillity to facilitate immigration. I asked you what the Ontario government was doing to bring immigrants to areas where communities really need them. You didn't answer that question.

    I asked you to tell me the numbers of immigrants or refugees on Social Assistance. You didn't answer that question either.

    So tell me the numbers.

    If you don't have the numbers, it tells me that you are letting your personall experiences colour your entire viewpoint.

  9. The Wall Street Journal on Friday said that one of the reasons that Bush said they removed the regime in Iraq was to make Israel safer. Over the last two years, Israel has become more of a lightening rod and the WSJ says a lot of that is a result of the war.

    Tim Russert on NBC's Meet The Press asked Joe Biden and Newt Gingrich their opinion on the Wall Street Journal story.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8987534/

    Transcipt is to come...

    So, did the war in Iraq make Israel safer?

    Will an escalationg war help Bush or will it show weaken him?

  10. I hope you folks understand that this has nothing to do with Canada, and it is something we should stay the hell away from. The United States has some very serious friendships that come with obligations over there but we do not.

    This could end up being a lot worse than we currently think folks. We literally can't do anything for anybody over there because we simply don't have either the hardware or the manpower to do it.

    That might not help us if Bush asks us to get involved later on somehow, someway.

  11. I never mentioned the cost because it is difficult to put a cost on the value of human life. I know that some companies and industries use a cost benefit analysis to come up with a number, but that just doesn't sit well with me at all. Some people could suggest that rich people are worth more than poor people or something equally as flash fornicated.

    I think that society creates the standards of living and justice that it can afford. If it can afford more the citizens benefit more.

    Capitalism is not the only way to go, it is merely the most profitable. But when talking about society is not the individual and their libertyand freedom more relevant than the profit motive? Would an individual citizen not prefer democracy to affluence?

    Some people think that the way to end waiting lists is to make sure the poor never to get to a doctor in the first place because of the cost.

  12. Don't know. That's not my point. My point is if you need people - well hey, we got `em. Wouldn't it make more sense to train them up to whatever it is you need them for rather than bringing in tens of thousands of illiterate third world types?

    Not that a big chunk of those on welfare aren't already ignorant third world types, but I'm not sure how that would be worse than what you're already gonna get.

    Your point throughout this posting that immigrants have been responsible for crime and pollution amongst other sorts of ills. Surely, you can produce some numbers how many immigrants are on social assistance. And what sort of assistance they are on.

    And are you referring to refugees or immigrants? No immigrants qualify if they cannot speak French or English.

  13. What is with you people on this forum! In a country that claims a multicultural heritage I am hearing a hell of a lot of racist like commentary. The more I hear from you people in central and eastern Canada the more I want to distance myself for you guys. Its like a crime to some of you that because we live in a nanny state that some of our best trained and educated citizens move to the states where they can make some money and live as they choose to! You are not happy for them, and congratulating them for advancing themselves instead you worry about the pressures on the socialist programs we are being taxed to death for! Why do you think they left in the first place, better pay and less taxes!

    You don't want some low life from another country to come here and bust their butts for minimum wage to make a better life for themselves. Instead you want to keep Canada for Canadians! Good Lord you people deserve to keep this nation all to yourselves!

    Here, here. At least on the stand on immigration. <heh>

    As for the brain drain, there have been examples in the last year that it is starting to flow back to Canada. It will be interesting to see the total numbers next year but some all star scientists and doctors are making their way back to Canada because of favourable research conditions and well funded institutes.

  14. We have no real need for immigration. There are no logical economic or demographic arguments to support anything near the level of immigration we now have, much less the types of immigrants we're getting.

    I'd like to see the report that says Canada doesn't need any immigrants. Is it a government report? A business report? A think tank? What are the numbers that says Canada can do without immigrants entirely. And do you mean refugees as well?

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