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So 1/3rd the people here are a member of a political party? Wow I didn't know this forum was *that* speical interst.

Yeah the RCMP sucks! Canada sucks! GO ARAR! ARAR AKBAR! We love you Arar!!!!!

Yeah man. True. I can't have an opion unless i know how to spel. Ur smarter than me.

I agree. Some will realize that they need to lay off quite a bit of white collar welfare workers in order for it to function.

Tim Horton's is American owned company although many Canadians may be shareholders.The same basic ignorance informs most of your proposals. Maybe if you were more disciplined in your spelling and grammar, your knowledge would also be more accurate. I agree. I still consider it a Canadian company regardless of the trading technicalities. It trades on our market and is basically a Canadian dominated chain with Canadian advertiising and industry backing it. You can not say the same about Starbucks. Technically you are right though if that's what you like to hear. Realistically, I am right.

I peronsally don't think they've been too out of hand. Much of the time I need to read read the sub-discussion to follow the response.

Then close the loop hole. Children of permanent residents need not be citizens immediately but could have the right to apply for Canadian citizenship when they turn 18 or when their parents are granted citizenship. If their parents are expelled then they would have to go with them or find another guardian. I agree. I know I'll get ganed up for saying the A word, but Arar came here under false claims that he was fleeing his country to avoid the army. This is not suffient grounds for refugee status in Canada or the US. While he was waiting for his hearing, he get married and had childrens who became citizens. This secured his fate in Canada. This is an exploit and loophole of our system. Now we have 'birth tours' to Canada in order for the children to become citizens. This is openly advertised in Korean Newspapers. There are also online support forums. Our gov't is doing nothing about this. I immagine they don't want to threaten any potential votes.

Yes, like most of Europe and the rest of the world. This is factual, not idealogical. The children become permanent residents also. There is an exploit in the system if these children become citizens under our current laws. That is factual, not idealogical. Then the student must leave the country and shall be billed the healthcare expenses. Student visa's are actually one of the toughest ways into Canada if you do not find someon to get married to. I've known many who have been expelled from the country on student visa's because they could not find work or marriage after they graduated. I have lots of extended family in Lebannon. I'm not entitled to get citizenship there. They would never in a million years issue me any kind of citizenship. You are missing the point due to years of bad policy and political correctness: it is no ones 'right' to come to Canada. This is a private country,with borders, it's own economy, laws, and security. Again, it is not anyones 'right' to come to Canada. That won't happen. When this does happen, it's lies and is the most remote chance. Let Belgium take them. Here we go with more idealisms. These rules ARE in place, in almost EVERY modern country in the world. This goes for France, UK, Germany, US, Japan, Dubai, Ireland, Scottland, Italy, Greece, anywhere in the world almost. Idealism. The above sentance is a 'peronal hunch', a 'guess', an 'idea'. We already have these laws enabled and working. Canada shall welcome people only to benefit out employers when they can't find work. Canada shall welcome business investors (not the current system), and Canada promotes people to get single citizenships if they prove that they can be an asset to our country. Under no cricumstances shall people from abroad abuse us, take us for granted, and just aimlessly land here to 'live' amongst their community. We should not promote what is happening now.

Children born to permanent residents should be allowed to claim citizenship. People immigrate with children to Canada all of the time and their children get permanent residence status too and later citizenship. I see no reason to treat an immigrant child who happened to be born in Canada differently Preminant residents can be expelled from the country if they break laws. A citizen cannot. Thus, if the citizen children are in the care of their non-citizen parents, the non citizen parents will not get expelled. This is just a loophole to expoit our system. My friends boyfriend is Jamaican. He says that he does not want to get his citizenship becauese his home country of Jamaica does not allow duel citizenship. So he just keeps his perminant residence. He lives and works here, yet places his Jamaican citizenship higher above the prospect of a Canadiana citizenship. Overall, these situations are not beneficial to our countries well being. (fact).

That is simply not true unless you are taking about early 1900's. Almost every country in the world has more restictive laws and they work very well. That is proveable and factual; unlike your assertion.

Doesn't Canada have the most educated workforce in the world? (which I consider to be a back thing btw)

Who is the largest contributor to Green House Gasses? Where do we rank in the list? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3143798.stm

That's the thing - I don't feel passionate about my arguments. When I was a teen, I was the same as many people here on the forum; I thought that partieis were elcted becaue of a 'strong learder'. I thought that I should have control over society and things should be my way. I didn't trust that other Canadians could vote and think for themeselves. I used to think that immigrants were increadibly gifted people with no divorce rate. I never really understood borders, security, and the function of the economy. I thought it was the govt's job to ensure I was employed and it was the govt's job to ensure my well being. Then in University, you think your an adult when all you are is a little pip-squeek. Then you start to follow after a 'prof's word' and then the Liberal instatution will profess what the world is about. Professers will profess unto the students the economy and workplace despite the fact that most have never worked in the private sector a day in their lives. Prof's are really just glorified idealists and school bums. The young grad will get out of school, think he owns the world, will change the establishment, and guess what: Then the real education starts - the University of Life. As you grow more mature and are out in the real world and private sector, you loose your battles against the establishment, you go through hardships, and you realize the world and life isn't how you were told it was. You realize that your gov't simply is not there for your well being (in Canada). You begin to read, get informed, look up facts, and see things for what they are. As you grow even older you feel it's your duty to correct these wrongs and might eventry to help out and give back to your community because you see them brainwashed as you once were. But alas, people will act with their emotion, not logic and fact. If you emotionally do not want to believe that majority people who enter Canada from Somalia use our welfare system, despite the numbers, the articles, and just the 'common knowledge' of those close to these circles, then you are only fooling yourself based off your own emotion and not the truth. The truth is, our healthcare system is beyon repair. How you emotionally feel about that should not interfere with the truth. I am most likely amongst the least emotional here.

That's not that impressive, I out do you by 20 points. Really I thought the standard IQ test was out of 140. Then after you have to take a genius test from Mensa.. I was just joking about never being wrong, but the IQ portion I wasn't joking about. I won't place much bets over someone's high iq.

I agree. I will not have my money going to international credits. Dion is a theoryis, idealist, he's not in reality and out for the best interst of the people. Also, Canada with a low population and open land is not a main contributor to C02 levels.

Long time legal residents should not have their kids be citizens. If they do break the law and get deported, it's a sticky issue because the kids are citizens so the parents usually win the case. We in Canada should promote single citizenship of our country and demote Perminant Residence program all together. That's fine, but when Doug WHite retires and goes back to the US he can take his kids with him. Please grasp that we have a shortage of jobs and iflux of people using our services right now and we can't be letting any just stay and pass around citizenship.

I agree. I don't think Libs are going to be any better that's for sure. I also think that he needs to tax us less, tax large american business more. But how much more can he cut taxes? Federally, they spend all they can on Social Services and Healthcare. I don't see where there is any room for more tax cuts.. The only way outo of this is a major revamp and at the end of the day, saving money is going to require loss of jobs for gov't employees. That means them losing houses, cars, and becoming societies problem becuase they most likely won't be able to find employment elsewhere (the gov't doesn't hire very skilled poeple).

That's another problem our electoral system has.

So the real issue isn't managment? wtf? Just throw money at the issue without worrying about how that money is managed .... seems like a very good course of action. Umm... financing operations is part of management. I insist that health care is out of the constitutional reach of the Federal government, especially with for profit hospitals. If you have 8 dimes and a chocolate bar costs a dollar, you can assemble the dimes any which way you wish, you still wont get the chocolate bar.

So the real issue isn't managment? wtf? Just throw money at the issue without worrying about how that money is managed .... seems like a very good course of action. It's not management at this point. It needs far, far, more money. We don't have sufficient equpment, hospitials, and staffed beds. In Ontario our MRI machine is running 24 hours believe it or not. Of course.. needless to say I'm well aware of how much money they waste and put in their pockets, but you can't fight their unions or try to change their ways.

You just basically do what the UK and New Zealand did to deal with this very same issue: not allow citizenship to children unless the parents are citizens. The US is also working now to change this but it's a lot harder for them because it's in their constitution I think.

Hello, These are my steps to fixing our country. That's of course if you believe there is a problem to begin with. I'm going to list the problemed area and then give a brief solution. I would really like to hear other peoples solutions for the same problem. Immigration - Canada will no longer be taking in immigrants. We will only offer work permits where a company will sponsor and must prove that he could not hire a Canadian. This is how most of the world deals with immigration. There will be a very rapid, efficient system where companies can sponsor people very fast. Workers will have a max of 8 years to stay in which they can plead their case for citizenship. They cannot use services and will be sent home if they lose employment. Refugee - Canada must take refugee's, but shall do as the US does and only accept refugees from a select number of countries. Also, like the US, a judge will be present at the air port and be able to hear your case on the spot in order to make a descision. Refugees will be in detention and not allowed to enter the general population of Canada until the judge has granted them a stay. Methinks a lot less people will be trying to come to Canada. Maybe less than 50 people a year who are true vicitms. They shall get the best care. Wasteful spending - eliminate central control of the gov't. The federal gov't has too much power and has far, far overstepped it's bounds in governance of the country. The frederal gov't should become drastically less powerful and handle duties such as the high courts, federal laws, and military. For instance, our federal gov't gets involved when building a bridge in Saskatoon. This federal overhead causes waste and a whole layer of beurocracy. Poor provinces - many Canadian provinces are welfare provinces that are poor. There is not a valid reason for this. Many provinces have goten used to living a life of seasonal work and the rest of the pogie. This is not valid. New Brunswick has industry and large unemployment rates. The federal gov't should impose these areas as tax free zones for all of Canada or US business who would like to setup shop. If within 5 years they move their business to our poorer provinces, they will pay no property tax for 10 years. Thus, there will be jobs for the people. They will then pay taxes - see next: Fully province managed services - Currenty, the feds collect taxes and payout back to the provinces. A solution would be for the provinces to collect all the taxes and pay only a small amount 3% or so to the feds. Thus, each province will FULLY be in control of their finances. SOME PROVINCES will realize that that they have been miss-spenind this whole time and won't be able to function. TOUGH. They'll have to go through hardships and learn the tough lessons of being a responsible adult who is elected to manage money. You'll most likely see the first Conservative Quebec party. Healthcare - The feds will allow Hosptial Corperations and insurance into Canada. The provinces will NOT be able to stop private clinics and insurance. This will drastically redeuce waiting times. Also, the federal gov't shall pass law ordering waiting times of no longer than 10 days for the public system. If this happens, the feds have the right to oust the current provincial gov't and the opposition shall procede. The federal gov't will not be in a financial position to help out any province in trouble. Why all this works is when provinces know they are being held to a standard, they will realize that having cash cows like Health Canada in Ottawa with HUGE buildings filled with thousands of people who do absoltuley nothing but collect white collar welfare is bankrupting their system and will cause them to lose their jobs. These people can work privately, but not on our tax dollars. Unions - The Federal gov't of Canada shall set ligislation that would not allow a union of any sort to be formed if funds for that company are coming from public tax dollars. This would go for crown corporations, energy companies, CN rail, you name it. GM can keep their union. Dictating\Lack Of Democrocy - The Federal gov't will not allow politicians to dictate unto it's citizens. Instead, government will merely govern. Legislation will be proposed to the public, and voted on with 100% participation by the voters each november. All voters must vote as a civic duty. Thus, ensuring complete democracy for the poeple of Canada. Economy - Ok. How can I say this quickly without going to deep. If you remember, the Feds only got 3% from the province. Well the feds would hit any American franchise or business that hires the majority of it's associated staff at a poverty level of income a 10% 'your not helping us' tax. Thus, a starbucks pays 10% more on their tax, a second cup coffee does not. This tax is to drive up prices on American franchasis so the 'little' guy in Canada can compete. The American franchises will swallow the cost easy and just pass if off to the consumer. Tim Hortons would be exempt becuase it's Canadian owned. This is basically for minimum wage businesses. We do not want to deter white collar or lower middling income jobs in any way. To avoid that 10% tax, Canadians will purchase Canadian Franchises and consumers will begine to shop at Canadian owned business again. The business will hire Canadian marketing, shippers, food supply, etc. etc. American minimum wage franchises and hogs like Wal-Mart, Costco, Starbucks, Halmark, and on and on do NOTHING for Canada except shut out the Canadian owned business. They get all the white collar jobs, we get nothing. Thanks Mr. Mulrouney. They key to our economy is white collar jobs coming from the US, a new private hospital industry, and our own Canadian businesses. Then after years, suprise suprise, we'll need legitamate immigrants to come work jobs because the economy will be so good and the standard of living so high, that there wil be employers who simply can't fill posiitons. Even factories. That's fine, they can immediatly bring over skilled or unskilled workers. I told you immigration works. Jobs - There is a job crisis in Canada. There are no shortages, on the contrair, there are too many people looking for one job. Education is also devalued. There will be a complete, overhaul of the immigration system. Only if an employer can't find a Canadian to work, he may bring someone over on a work permit that expires in 4 years. For this to happen, there would have to be an EXTREMEMLY low unemployment rate or in a very remote location where a Canadian didn't want to work. Education - Education has become violently devalued the last 10 years due to mass immigration and international students. If 'everyone has a degree', then the degree is worth nothing. There will no longer be an international student program unless faculties have a grade cutoff at 60% and still can't fill their classes (which wont happen anytime soon). This will drive entrance grades lower, students will now be able to freely enroll into higher education and choose any program they like, and there will be less degrees and diplomas in circulation. Medical elitism will stop because private hospitals will build new medical schools so they can turn out more doctors. The days of recognizing foreign credentials is over because we will turn out our own. The province will handle student loans. ChildCare - The province shall handle child care. Each elementry school shall have a small edition added to it for childcare. Since there will no longer be a mass of people using this system that haven't paid into it, we can no afford to have universal, free, childcare. There will be standards for teachers and little abuse. There will also be a focus on learning. Each elementary will recieve a mere 10% increase in budget for this program to cover the few employees and overhead. Equality - There will be equality in Canada. Real equality. There will be no status quo for the gov't. No hiring based off skin color, no special funding due to race, religion, ethnicity, etc. There will be no recognition of cultures, colour, or distinct society. That is for the people to determine and not the roll of the gov't. Hate laws will also be removed. Canada promotes true equality and shall be a country of equality amongst all citizens. Quebec will be it's own province and no longer a federal issue of culture and special interest. Security - Like most countries, dual Citizenship will no longer be recognized. All Canadians living abroad who were not paying taxes in the last 2 years will not be allowed back into the country. If they have paid taxes, then they will be given the ultimatum to begin a new life in Canada, or stay where they are becuase we will no longer be offering dual citizenships. We won't expect many to come back. People from terrorist recognized countries will not be allowed to Canada at all. Not to work, not to play, not to even visit. People are welcome to come from China to visit. Residents from Pakistan will not be able to enter Canada and shall be detained upon arival.

Note to all that no one replied to my Somalia facts when I was challenged. All the heads quckly went in the sand.

No doubts it was a dumbass move. But isn't "low of lows" a little histrionical? It's not like he's bipolar and pled guilty to theft over $5,000 is it? I would expect something like that out of the third world, not here in Canada. But yeah, there could be much lower.

I never said they all abuse us or that they all use services. I've known some that have gotten lucky and have litterly landed here and took a mid-pay job from a Canadian (fact). I also never said that we should deport all non-Canadian born citizens, we should only deport those who are undesireables like Arar and his family and his friends. Laughable. I don't think I've ever seen Saturn give numbers or eveidence towards anything. I've whitnessed a lot of his idealism though. Funny, I have yet to see that. I get challenged on things, I bring back the numbers and research, then no one wants to answer face the truth. Melanie didn't believe that the good majority of people who refuge from Somalia are on welfare. I posted cites and numbers from reasearch papers and articles proving myself right. I go though all this time and research and here no argument back or no rebuttle. Why? Becuae I have an IQ of 136 and I'm never wrong? Possibly.