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Very interesting video. Thanks for sharing. Fox's obsession with people who hate America of course support Trump's fascist tendencies, which at their core consists of the "us vs. them" mentality. For me, it's reading. I read a lot, and try to always go to primary sources when I can. For example, in another thread, there is a discussion centered on Jack Smith's recently released report on Trump's attempt to steal the 2020 election. It's clear that some opinions are based on biases and what they have been told, but it doesn't occur to them to read the report and find out for themselves. I would never rely on Fox or CNN for my information.

I want a hat like Ford's

This is a thread about Smith’s Report. I quoted from the report. Totally appropriate. So, if you have any comments to make, make them about the contents of the report. Oh yeah, that’s right, you never read it. But somehow, you are an expert. Dishonesty? It’s your own position that you are thinking of

It's a real concern. Linked below is a very interesting video (about 9 minutes long) entitled the Ten Tactics of Fascism, narrated by Yale University Professor Jason Stanley, whose most recent book is “How Fascism Works: The Politics of Us and Them.” Trump is never mentioned, but he fits the definition of a fascist. The video begins with this quote: Fascism is a cult of the leader who promises national restoration in the face of supposed humiliation by immigrants, leftists, liberals, minorities, homosexuals and women … in the face of what the fascist leader says is a takeover of the country’s media, cultural institutions, and school by these forces … And that’s why you need a really macho, powerful, violent response… And, only the fascist leader can solve the problems, in the same way that Trump has repeated, “I alone can fix it.” The video touches upon other indicators of fascism, such as a mythic past of greatness, propaganda based on friends and enemies, the leader setting rules about what’s true or false (and people get used to the lies), a hierarchy of worth, equality granted to other groups makes the dominant group into victims, and law and order structures decide who is legitimate and who is not. The video ends with this quote: Honest conservatives are lured into fascism by people who tell them, “Look, it’s an existential fight. I know you don’t like everything we do. You don’t accept every doctrine, but your family is under threat. Your family is at risk. So, without us, you are in peril.”

No, what Smith has presented are irrefutable facts supported by evidence. The role of the courts is not to question reality, but to see if this particular reality supports the charges. Having said that, I'll add that your opinion about a report you have not read is invalid.

Oh God, this is a joke. No, they didn't stop at lawsuits. It was only once their lawsuits failed that the real plans were put into action. Please read Jack Smith's final report (and my previous posts) to get some idea of what Trump did.

Speaking of fraud, Trump knew he lost the election, but continued to spread lies. From page 40 of Smith's Report: ... the law of fraud. See US. ex rel. Schutte v. Super Valu Inc., 598 U.S. 739, 750-752 (2023); 1 J. Story, Commentaries on Equity Jurisprudence § 193 (10th ed. 1870) ("Whether the party, thus misrepresenting a material fact, knew it to be false, or made the assertion without knowing whether it were true or false, is wholly immaterial; for the affirmation of what one does not know or believe to be true is equally, in morals and law, as unjustifiable as the affirmation of what is known to be positively false.").

if you have a point, please make it, and stop playing games.

I'm trying to understand what you're saying. I think you may mean that Trump's attempts to overturn the 2020 election amount to a failed lawsuit. In that regard, you are completely wrong.

No-one has had more failed lawsuits than Trump

No, that's not true. Who are you listening to? They are lying to you. So do you also believe that attempted murder should not be considered a crime?

Lol, his only goal was to secure the election (that he lost) for himself He used the word "Fight!" ten times during his speech at the Ellipse on January 6 I'm sure you are repeating something that you have been told. Find out for yourself

maybe to you. No, this is what happened. I know, the truth can be hard to accept.

I understand that many Trump supporters are in denialism about just what Trump is. Maybe they don't want to admit that they were wrong, maybe they don't want to be embarrassed, but maybe the truth can set you free. No, not on this. What they did was give Trump immunity for official acts. But Trump has captured the courts - one of the main signposts on the way to autocracy.

We know why this never came to trial, but that does not alter its factuality. From page 21: In repeated conversations, day after day, Mr. Trump pressed Mr. Pence to use his ministerial position as President of the Senate to change the election outcome, often by citing false claims of election fraud as justification; he even falsely told Mr. Pence that the "Justice Department [was] finding major infractions." 82 When Mr. Pence repeatedly refused to act as Mr. Trump wanted, 83 Mr. Trump told him that "hundreds of thousands" of people would "hate his guts" and think he was "stupid," and that Mr. Pence was "too honest."

it's not spam, it's facts, and if you have any counter-points to share, please do so.

Throughout the post-election period, Justice Department officials reviewed Mr. Trump's claims of election fraud, found no support for any of them, and informed him of such. 65 In one such discussion, when the Acting Attorney General advised Mr. Trump that the Justice Department could not just "snap its fingers" and change the election outcome, 66 Mr. Trump told the Acting Attorney General and Acting Deputy Attorney General that they should "just say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen.

On December 13, Co-Conspirator 5 sent Co-Conspirator 1 a memorandum that envisioned a scenario in which the Vice President would use the fraudulent slates to claim that there were dueling slates of electors from the targeted states and negotiate a solution for Mr. Trump to seize power.

For the most part, the co-conspirators deceived Mr. Trump's elector nominees in the targeted states by falsely claiming that their electoral votes would be used only if ongoing litigation were resolved in Mr. Trump's favor.

As December 14-the date the ECA required each state's electors to vote and send their certificates of vote to Congress-approached, Mr. Trump and co-conspirators launched another plan. Under this plan, they would organize the people who would have served as Mr. Trump's electors, had he won the popular vote, in seven states that Mr. Trump had lost-Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin-and cause them to sign and send to Washington false certifications claiming to be the legitimate electors.

The Co-conspirators: These individuals included Co-Conspirator 1, a private attorney who was willing to spread knowingly false claims and pursue strategies that Mr. Trump's Campaign attorneys would not; Co-Conspirator 2, a private attorney who devised and attempted to implement a strategy to leverage the Vice President's ministerial role in the certification proceeding to obstruct the certification; Co-Conspirator 3, a private attorney whose unfounded claims of election fraud Mr. Trump privately acknowledged were "crazy," but which he embraced and publicly amplified nonetheless; Co-Conspirator 4, a Justice Department official who worked on civil matters and who, with Mr. Trump, attempted to use the Justice Department to open sham election crime investigations and influence state legislatures with knowingly false claims of election fraud; Co-Conspirator 5, a private attorney who assisted in devising and attempting to implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding; and Co-Conspirator 6, a private political consultant who helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding.

... when it became clear that Mr. Trump had lost the election and that lawful means of challenging the election results had failed, he reso1ied to a series of criminal efforts to retain power. This included attempts to induce state officials to ignore true vote counts; to manufacture fraudulent slates of presidential electors in seven states that he had lost; to force Justice Department officials and his own Vice President, Michael R. Pence, to act in contravention of their oaths and to instead advance Mr. Trump's personal interests; and, on January 6, 2021, to direct an angry mob to the United States Capitol to obstruct the congressional certification of the presidential election and then leverage rioters' violence to further delay it.

My Office had one north star: to follow the facts and law wherever they led. Nothing more and nothing less.

Our work rested upon the fundamental value of our democracy that we exist as "a government of laws, and not of men." John Adams, Novanglus, No. VII at 84 (Mar. 6, 1775)

From page 2: Attorney General Edward H. Levi, who assumed the Department's helm in the wake of Watergate, summed up those traditions best: [O]ne paramount concern must always guide our way. This is the keeping of the faith in the essential decency and even-handedness in the law, a faith which is the strength of the law and which must be continually renewed or else it is lost. In a society that too easily accepts the notion that everything can be manipulated, it is important to make clear that the administration of federal justice seeks to be impartial and fair ....