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  1. 51 minutes ago, Aristides said:

    The stock is recovering, 1st quarter numbers won't be out until July. Revenue loss estimates are just opinions.

    Dude - could you be in denial harder?  This is starting to get sad.

    The stock going down hurts them. That's a very serious problem for them. It should have been going up. So even if it recovers it will take much much longer for it to recover to where it should have been.  That's why they're freaking.

    The revenues have taken a serious hit. It really doesn't matter if it's 2 billion or 3 billion or 10 billion per se - they're losing revenue. In case you were unaware businesses are only profitable when they MAKE money :) and the purpose of advertising is to MAKE money - not to hopefully not lose TOO much money :)

    This is an unmitigated failure for them. And they know darn well that there are so many beer choices that if people switch from their product even for a little while they may get used to the new product and simply not switch back even when they're not angry any more.

    While i appreciate the mental gymnastics - sorry to burst your bubble but this is bad for bud.

  2. 35 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

    Wow... Big post... You just stew as long as needed. It's what your good at.

    LOL - did you need me to use smaller words and more pictures for you? :) 

    Only the left would say something that wouldn't take up half a page printed is a "really long read" :) LOLOL

    35 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

    Oh imagine that - SOMEHOW a bunch of paid people are coming forth to say this is terrible sure but you should still buy the stock :) I wonder who put them up to that :) ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

    If they weren't worried there would be no stories at all.  And they wouldn't have called trump and begged him to tell conservatives to let them off the hook :)

    They're in full on damage control and they're VERY concerned. Anyone they've ever spent an ad dollar with is going to get a call teling them if they ever want another cent they better spin this positively. 

    I'm sorry that the facts don't suit your personal agenda but as a person on the right of the spectrum I tend to listen to the facts and the science a little more - you keep going with "Muh feels" if you like.  But I bet bud won't :)

    Others will pay attention too. Nobody wants to lose that kind of revenue. Or have their stock take that kind of hit.

    That's just life. Feel free to stick your fingers in your hears and humm if it helps you sleep at night.

  3. Just now, BeaverFever said:

    The Stock blip will bounce back,at the end of the day investors only care about the financial fundamentals of a company

    It'll bounce back to less than what it would have  been.  And investors worry a great deal about businesses that make bad decisions that cost billions of dollars. Meanwhile that revenue loss that's driving the stock crash is gone forever.

    Like i said the first thing that the lefties do when faced with something that collides with their ideology is insist that really nothing happened and it's super small anyway. Sorry - this IS a big deal for the company and investors and they are busting major ass right now trying to mitigate the damage.

    Pretending otherwise kinda just makes you look uninformed and petty.  Billions of dollars lost is a big deal.

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    How did this one-time social media promo prevent you from sitting back and enjoying a beer?

    I love how you always try to make it personal :)   - when did -I- say -I- Couldn't enjoy a beer? Did i say that? No? Never? Then why claim i did?

    Oh that's right - you can't address the points i DID make so you HAVE to lie to create something you can argue about :) 
    Cheezy dude.

    In any case what i actually said is that people get fed up when they can't enjoy a beer without thinking about trans issues or other identity politics.  And that's the case - if they want to buy some bud light and sit back and drink it then they now pretty much have to think about trans issues because bud has made that a thing. And that makes people angry and they consider other brands instead.

    7 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

    And so what is your advice to companies going forward?

    Identity politics is a losing game for companies to play in the end. Many have found that out. Don't do it. If you make beer then sell beer.

    You can still successfully market to and support communities like the letter people but don't make it a political issue. I mean they have for years successfully, this was just stupid.

    Get woke go broke. Don't do it.  Be honest in your genuine support and don't virtue signal and let people enjoy their products and their lives.

     

  4. 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

    I simply do not require NATO to be constrained by the false accusations & conspiracy theories of the KGB

     

    Nobody cares what you require - you're a nobody who doesn't even have any loyalty to your country and your opinion is worth nothing.

    The reality is that to russia theyv'e increased the threat and that wouldn't have happened without the invasion.

    Anything else is just the blathering of an unpatriotic loser who takes 20 paragraphs to explain his disloyalty every time it's brought up.  Go ahead, there's your cue.

  5. 29 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

    And now their stock has rebounded.

    Nope, it's only come about half way back. And it should have been going up the whole time as it was previously

    So - they are still WAY behind. Even when they catch up to where they were they'll be way behind.

    This has been a VERY expensive lesson.

    29 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

     

    To assume this was anything more than a blip for a corporation as large as InBev would be foolish.

    To assume a corporation like that can see their value plummet by billions and call it a blip is far more foolish.

    It's not going to bankrupt them but if you're trying to pretend muti billion dollar losses don't concern shareholders and execs - you have much to learn about business.

    29 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

    This is evident as they didn't even fire Ms. Mulvaney. She is still their spokesperson and their stock is right back up. 

    their stock isn't back up and in fact they won't be working with her any more. They didn't "hire" her in the first place, they just sent her some stuff. So no - she's not their official 'spokesperson' anymore or the like. That was an error on your part.

    29 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

    Funny how so many rightwingers are so concerned for the health of Bud light p_ss water.

    So here's a  common trick of the left wing. And it's not a very good look:

    When something happens that doesn't jive with their echo chamber tribalist ideology, they do the following:

    Insist nothing has happened and whatever has happened is so small it might as well not have occurred.

    Insist that it doesn't mean anything and nobody cares and everybody actually thinks it's great really if asked, but there's absolutely no meaning in what happened at all and if there is some nobody cares about it,

    And;

    Conservatives are terrible people for even bringing it up? So petty - why would they even mention it? They're clearly bad people, good people woudln't have even noticed this.

    Yeah - that is ALL pretty much bullshit.

    So here's the facts:

    1 - multi billion dollar loses are a huge deal and bud will be VERY unhappy about this. So much so that THEY ARE NOW CALLING DONALD TRUMP TO BEG WITH CONSERVATIVES TO FORGIVE THEM.  This is a serious loss for them.

    2 - THey care. And it's clear that a lot of people who really aren't conservatives care. Which tells me that it's not really about transgenderism - its' about shoving identity politics down people's throats when you should have been pouring beer down it.

    3 - EVERYONE - not just conservatives but EVERYONE is getting sick of this crap. Even people who agree with transgender issues are sick of having to hear about it breakfast lunch and dinner. People are FED UP of 'woke', of identity politics, and the lefts culture war.  And it IS a big deal, and they are NOT bad people for thinking so and your attempt to cast them as such would just honk them off more and make for a bigger backlash.

    Bud tried to have a 'woke ' moment and paid a severe financial penalty for it. You can bet they'll treat the 'woke agendal' much much more carefully moving forward. And other companies will as well.

  6. 20 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

    If you go back over all the posts where you've replied to certain posters, you'll find that regardless of how correct you are and how much evidence you provide to prove it to them, some of them will just continue gaslighting you. 

    They have no shame, and it's not beneath them to falsely accuse you of anything.

    Your interaction with those people can never be positive. Their goal is always to drag you down to their level and beat you in the mud-slinging contest. 

    You're lending legitimacy and credibility to that poster by pretending that they deserve a reply, and it just encourages them to keep coming back and doing their thing.

    I honestly don't even understand their life. I can't imagine having a goal of going on the internet and slandering people and lying to them all day. The only thing that makes sense to me now is that some of them are bots or paid shills.

    At some point you just have to let toxic people like that go, like Bill Burr did with his religion:

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Bill+Burr+letting+go+of+his+religion&t=hy&va=t&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DkrvVxzPXlcg

    Yeah, i guess slime and haters are going to slime and hate.

  7. 44 minutes ago, eyeball said:

    Well neither do I too much really so why should anyone else?

    But you do. You're so worried about how people perceive you online that you create fake posts and erase them when you get called on it and pretend you didn't.  That's not the actions of someone who doesn't take themselves seriously. So you clearly do.

    But nobody else does

  8. 2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

    Like I said, we'll see.

    We have already seen. They're freaking out. They are calling trump demanding he speak to conservatives on their behalf to try to stop this. The media reports they're having freak outs in their own executive. They seem to be both denying supporting trans and at the same time saying they support trans in the same breath before shutting up. This has spun WAY out of control for them.

    We can see the answer right now - this isn't some sort of long game, it was a simple little endorsement they did to look a little woke that VERY unexpectedly blew up in their face.  there will be NO hordes of trans people out there rushing to the stores to buy enough beer to cover the losses.  The trans in question doesn't even drink beer.

    2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

    Sometimes you have to go backward a step in order to keep going forward.

    This isn't a case of that :) C'mon dude, even you have to realize you're reaching like hell right now.

    The only positive spin you might get on this is that it's been a learning eperience about the dangers of political messaging on sensitive subjects.

    2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

    I don't really care. I don't own the stock and if don't like their presenter there are lots of other choices.

    Great - i don't drink their stuff either. But we're also probably not their target market.

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    3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

    And you didn't.

    I know. But you did. And that's the problem.

    3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

    Cover up what exactly? You've still never told us what that is and nor has anyone else. I bet your invisible friend knows.

    I've said it many times. You falsely pretended to quote me with words i didn't say and then covered it up when you got called on it.

    Which is beyond pathetic.

  10. 8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

    the Russian assertions that their security is threatened by NATO is a bunch of nonsense

    Not to them.  And frankly if they are going to be aggressive and invade other countries it DOES threaten their security.

    8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

    lunatic conspiracy theories made up by the KGB in the Kremlin

    Sure bud, sure.  They're all nuts - YOU'RE the only SANE one.

    Finalnd as part of nato is an angry neighbour with a shotgun on his lap. Regardless of their ACTUAL intent, you have to be concerned about it.  And it only happened because he started this war.

    So that's a loss for him in that respect regardless.

  11. 1 minute ago, Aristides said:

    Companies make long term decisions that affect short term stock prices all the time

    So your argument now is that they INTENDED this to be a loss in the short term.

    Their reaction makes it painfully clear that was NOT the case. This was not a 'long term' plan. This was something they thought was simple and cheap - and it backfired.

    Lets not try to pass it off as some sort of example of 3 d chess.

  12. 1 hour ago, Aristides said:

    NATO is a defensive alliance and Finland is quite capable of looking after itself until the cavalry arrives. Permanently basing NATO troops in Finland would be an unnecessary provocation. During the Cold War, Canada used to do exercises involving rapidly moving troops to Europe and fighters to Bodo Norway.

    But why would it be a provocation if it's purely defensive?

    Of course it's not just defensive and 'defense' can be interpreted a lot of ways.

    And there's no need to worry about 'unnecessarily provoking' a foe who's just worn themselves to nothing fighting in ukraine.

    The Russians see it as a serious threat and they know it weakens their position. So - that is a loss for them. It would never have happened if they hadn't just wasted craptonnes of their military strength in ukraine

  13. Just now, Aristides said:

    Sorry but there's gong to be a tonne of this kind of fake 'opinion' pieces out there for a while.

    You think bud isn't calling every single newspaper or media outlet they've ever advertized on and saying "positive stories NOW or never get another cent"?  Hell they're calling trump and saying the same thing. And trump is out there stumping for them.

    You and i both know that the future of bud light is NOT the transsexual community. The trans they sent the beer to with her picture on it doesn't even drink beer.

    This was engaging in identity politics for the purpose of making bio-straight people who consider themselves 'allies' feel like bud is sufficiently woke. This was  a political message, not trying to break into the trans market.

    Which is fine and dandy - but right now that was the wrong move. People are sick of 'woke' and identity politics and now they've got a backlash.

  14. 7 minutes ago, Aristides said:

    Even after this hit, InBev stock is up almost 9% since the beginning of the year. I don't think I would be selling if I owned it.

    But it should be much higher than that.

    You don't get wealthy by making half the money you should have. Dividends will be lower, stock value will be lower, etc etc and i absolutely guarantee you that makes a VERY big difference to a lot of execs and shareholders.  This idea that "nobody cares if you lost 6 billion, pfffft!" just isn't a real thing.

  15. 4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

    Even after this hit, InBev stock is up almost 9% since the beginning of the year. I don't think I would be selling if I owned it.

     

    10 minutes ago, Aristides said:

    It's a stock price. Doesn't cost a thing unless you are selling it. It has already recovered about half that loss.

    It was supposed to gain, not lose. So - instead of going UP as it was, it went down. Which means no matter how you slice it this cost shareholders money.

    Revenues are down too apperently. Which is WHY stocks are down. And so smaller dividends and such.

    to pretend that the investors and the people who run the show don't care about stock prices because they don't mean anything is not being honest.

  16. 16 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

    the Kremlin has chosen the path of aggressive war against NATO by proxy or otherwise

    And it just got harder for them to do that.

    If you're going to pretend that their national security isn't an issue for them or that having what they percieve to be a hostile force on their border isn't a matter of national security.  then fine, but please don't claim you know anything about military politics any further. you'd have to be 7 different kinds of stupid not to know that.

  17. 4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

    And what's your explanation for not covering it up when you did this? I mean in your case no one has to remember what happened they can just go look.

    you did this kiddo. And you DID try to cover it up. You're that pathetic

    4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

    Sure, who needs evidence.

    Nobody. They saw what you did, they can see what's still there, they can check the timestamp but at the end of the day the details aren't important to anyone.  The only person who thought this was so important that they should go out of their way to cover up their "big lie" was you.  And that's all people are looking at right now - you're the kind of guy who'd  say something on the internet and then when they get called on it go back and edit it out and pretend they never did.

    You're THAT pathetic and now everyone knows :)

  18. 8 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

    Donald Trump Jr. Urges Right-Wingers to End Boycott of ‘Conservative-Leaning’ Bud Light

     

    During Thursday’s broadcast of his Triggered podcast, Trump pointed out that despite conservatives’ complaints that Anheuser-Busch had “gone woke,” the conglomerate actually donated more money to Republican candidates than Democrats in recent election cycles.

    “That’s literally unheard of in corporate America, where it’s really easy to go woke, where they do so constantly, where there’s a consequence of actually being a conservative,” he exclaimed. “So 60-40 to the conservative side is kind of a big deal.”

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-jr-urges-right-wingers-to-end-boycott-of-conservative-leaning-bud-light
     

     

    OBEY YOUR MASTER

    Honestly i don' t think it's the fact that they "went woke".  Bud has supported LGBT groups many times in the past and as i somewhat jokingly noted 'spuds mckenzie' was a girl.

    I think the public is sick of woke and woke politics and this was seen as being a very in your face woke political move and people have snapped, and their annoyance is being taken out on bud.

    As i noted, the reaction and affect on their stock is too big for just a hadful of conservative die hards.  I think it crosses the spectrum a fair bit and EVERYONE except the far left is just done with it.  It was fine when trans did their thing and bios did their thing and everyone accepted each other but now people have to live with daily does of trans in the news, trans demanding this or that. trans shooting up churches, trans in their kids schools with unreasonable bra sizes, trans wanting to "educate" their children during "Story Time", and now they can't even just sit back and have a beer without dealing with Trans drama.

    I don't think most of these people care about trans people one way or another - they're just sick of hearing about it.

  19. 11 minutes ago, eyeball said:

    What exactly did I write and then change though?

    I'm sure lots remember the gist of it - but it doesn't really matter. The point is you did it, then tried to cover it up when i called you on it. And you know what you did - seriously how pathetic are you exactly? Honestly i never would have thought you were that sad.

  20. 48 minutes ago, eyeball said:

    Yeah with invisible....ink.?

    Yeah that makes about as much sense as any of your other logic.

    48 minutes ago, eyeball said:

    You still got squat eh? Fricken loser.You sure played this one badly didn't you?

    LOL - you so desperately want that to be true :)  But we all know kiddo. And you know what you did :) You are literaly so pathetic that you lie about changing what you wrote to try to look less pathetic to people on the internet :)  

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