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Brian Mulroney increased immigration from about 85k to 225k. Media reports at the time said this was primarily done to help the PC party make inroads into ethnic communities and gain more votes there. Since that time, the real purpose of immigration is to help the party in power get votes from ethnic communities whose primary reason for voting is to ensure more of 'their' people come here. Witness very conservative communities like Muslims voting almost entirely for parties that espouse beliefs regarding women and sexual minorities that Muslims utterly reject and despise. Anyone with any familiarity with ethnic votes knows that ethnic communities vote for their own. Always. Regardless of what party that person is running for. Any riding with a strong minority of Sikhs/Tamils/Hindus/Chinese/Muslims/etc. generally elects one of those because every member of that community turns out to vote for them. Given voter turnout is usually fairly low that gives them disproportional influence. If the voter turnout is 50% and 20% of the riding is Muslim they already have 40% of the vote locked in, and that's often enough to win all on its own. That's why in a riding with a lot of minorities, even though it has a white majority, you'll generally see minorities as candidates for all parties. Long-serving White politicians can survive only if they pander to them. Or as Melanie Joly said to Thomas Mulcair when discussing her position regarding Israel and Gaza, "Thomas, you seen the demographics in my riding?" Note that Muslims are less than 10% in her riding, but that's enough to swing votes if they all vote as a bloc. And they do.

I understand that your ignorance is the product of living in Canada, where the media and government censor information that might tend to make us think less of any non-white community or group. But really, there's no excuse for not looking elsewhere on the internet for information. We know what we think of as civilization. It's the West, where people resolve differences through discussion, where all citizens are to be considered by the government to be of equal value and to enjoy a certain set of rights. Clearly, your team has been backsliding on that part, preferring to give more human rights to people whose skin colour they like. I'm not sure why you think that's not racism, btw, but it is. In any event, the ideal is that all citizens can be respected by government and society and given equal rights and will be treated equally regardless of race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, etc. Nowhere else in the world outside the West does this. Nowhere. Nowhere outside the West is even considering doing it. That's especially so for Muslim countries, whose citizens have flooded into the West over the last some years at the best of liberal types like you, gleefully waved past the border without a single query about their intentions. And even when they say openly "We will take over and make this place like the place we left" you just smile and nod. You say you embrace all those Western ideals, but you're absolutely determined that the hill you will die on is fighting to make sure more millions of such people come here who want to destroy Western ideals. The riots and violence towards women and girls recorded in so many European countries mean nothing to you. You hand-wave it away, quite certain every Muslim who comes here seeks to cast off their old religious culture and values and adopt Canadian ones. Even if they're not doing that anywhere else. How many people are in the House of Commons now who weren't born here? How many of them have demonstrated that they're Canadian first, as opposed to Indian/Sikh/Tamil/Muslim first? We don't ask them to integrate. And we tell them there's nothing to integrate to anyway. So they're going to take over soon. And they don't embrace Western values any more than their countries do.

The terms are more useful as motivational indications. An expat is not coming to work, for the most part, but to enjoy the weather and scenery, and never for a moment considers themselves a local. They rarely take out papers and become citizens. They don't generally move their family. They usually return home after a time. Immigrants intend to permanently relocate their lives and go through all the bureaucratic rigmarole of gaining citizenship. Migrants come to make money, send as much home as they can, and then return home. Canada has a growing number of migrants here.

So. What? You're still dealing with the cliche's we've been fed for decades. Remember, an increased population does not necessarily lead to an improved or richer economy, just a bigger one. India's is bigger than ours. Want to be India? A falling population means a shrinking economy. Okay. But is that disastrous? Japan's population has been falling for the last few years. It doesn't look like things are falling apart over there. AI will blunt a lot of the issues with an aging population, especially as the boomers are already dying off. And our elderly are way wealthier than previous generations anyway. That wealth will still be spent, even if they're old, then left to someone else. It doesn't disappear because there are fewer people. Our natural resources will now be shared among fewer people, too, which means more wealth for each of us. As the population falls, housing costs decline. As there are fewer workers, salaries will grow. The culture will change in a decade or two or three or four, and children will become fashionable and our birthrate will grow again.

So about that woman in Saskatchewan in the OP. She's scheduled to die in January. She needs an operation that isn't done in Saskatchewan. In order to be referred out of province, she needs to see an endocrinologist first. None is taking on new patients in Saskatchewan. So she's shit out of luck. She's in extreme pain, and they won't do a thing. This has been going on for FIVE YEARS. Here's a Global news story done on her a couple of years ago: https://globalnews.ca/video/9898647/regina-woman-waits-for-surgery-as-waitlists-grow-across-the-country But hey, how'd you like to die instead!? Yup. She can get MAID without any problem, and so is scheduled to die on January 7. And then, her case caught the eye of notorious American Glen Beck. No doubt so he can use it as an example of how public healthcare sucks so badly. Now it looks like she will get the surgery she needs in the US.

And how often is anyone actually punished? Virtually never. There's an article on corruption in The Hub on Canada's growing corruption. It doesn't seem to be possible to read it all without a free subscription but here it is: https://thehub.ca/2025/12/06/canadians-must-open-their-eyes-to-our-growing-culture-of-corruption/ One of the main points of the story is how governments have offloaded duties and jobs to an army of consultants and private corporations whose greatest skills are in figuring out how to navigate the corridors of power to gain influence and get contracts. The government gives a fat, multi-million dollar contract to some guy who represents himself as a corporation. He skims off half and then subcontracts to three companies. Happens all the time in Ottawa, and probably in Toronto, Vancouver, and Quebec City. Billions went to shell companies that are 'native' who then simply pass the work along to non-native companies after taking a big cut. And when that came out? Who went to jail? Nobody. Some highlights: Canada used to know how to do difficult things well. We strung rail across a continent in about six years. We carved hydro stations out of the wilderness. We founded universities that produced engineers, city planners, and public servants who could deliver complex work with competence and restraint. We were not perfect, nothing human is, but we were serious. And out of that seriousness came the most famous line in our constitutional tradition: peace, order and good government. It was an ethic grounded in the idea that the state should act where it adds value, but step back where it does not. Our institutions knew their limits, and we were proud of them for it. That ethic has eroded. Today the state is too often a hollow shell of its former competence, a client of its own consultants and an issuer of contracts to intermediaries who manage the process of decline. ... The NGO world mirrors this. Canada now spends tens of billions of dollars each year on grants and contribution agreements, both domestic and international. Many of the organizations receiving this money exist largely because the government funds them, and they have learned the vocabulary that unlocks support. These words sound virtuous but often replace measurable outcomes. Worse, the system rarely checks whether the work actually generates good value for the price we pay. ... The true cost of this ecosystem is hard to pin down because it is scattered across governments, but the scale is unmistakable. Federal and provincial tax expenditures now exceed 200 billion dollars a year. Some of this reflects broad measures that few dispute, but buried within that total are tens of billions in narrow credits, carve-outs, and incentives that function as benefits secured by organized groups even when the public value is questionable, especially when you consider how they distort markets.

Ah yes, the fabulous, fabled 'career'. So satisfying. So attractive to people. An easy substitute for children and family! Why, there's nothing like working as a retail store clerk to give meaning to your life! Or perhaps a life of thrills and victories as a secretary or administrative clerk! There are also cleaners, of course, and personal support workers. A lot of teachers and daycare workers, too - taking care of other people's children! Yes, there are female doctors and lawyers and accountants, and architects. But like most men, most women don't have careers. They have jobs. Jobs they aren't particularly thrilled with but have to go to in order to pay the bills. The largest percentage of women wind up in jobs taking care of people. Which would seem to indicate that women like that sort of thing rather more than men. Which, in turn, suggests women are hard-wired to be mothers, in instinct not just body. The problem is our society has de-emphasized that for decades, made it sound like nothing but a chore and an irritation, something that makes life more difficult and more expensive. Yes, economics plays a role. And there are things we can do about that. But if you don't think that culture and what it's telling women has an enormous impact, just look at how many younger people have taken to calling themselves trans or bi or queer or non-binary or intersex or...whatever sounds like it's cool. The whole trans fad is itself an indication of how easily culture can be morphed to embrace pure lunacy. And if you want another, look how quickly a good propaganda campaign turned a whole bunch of 'tolerant' lefties into rabid antisemites. So we should embrace sanity and start trying to make being a mother cool again. Yes, I know some roll their eyes at that, but changing our culture to put motherhood on top can be done and would have an impact, especially in tandem with economic/taxation changes.

This argument does not work. It has been rejected since the day it first arose back in the 1980s. Not by goobers like me but by demographics experts, statisticians, and economists. It. Will. Not. Work. In more than twenty years of studies on this claim, nothing has substantiated it. In a 2003 paper titled Effect of Immigration on the Canadian Population: Replacement Migration?, Canadian sociologist and demographer Roderic Beaujot finds: “It is impossible to use immigration to prevent an increase in the population aged 65 and over as a ratio to the population aged 20-64”. In a 2006 report by the C.D. Howe Institute aptly titled No Elixir of Youth: Immigration Cannot Keep Canada Young, we read that “no conceivable amount of immigration with an age profile such as Canada currently experiences can significantly affect the coming shift in the ratio of older to working-age Canadians”. In a 2025 report for the Migration Policy Institute titled Understanding the Impact of Immigration on Demography: A Canadian Case Study, Professor Daniel Hiebert runs a number of different high-immigration and low-immigration scenarios, and concludes that “even under the highest of these immigration rates, the old-age dependency ratio would still rise”. The only way to counter the fact that immigrants “age and eventually retire along with their native-born peers” would be “continuously increasing the scale of immigration on an indefinite basis” – an obviously absurd policy. There is no data to support the contention that Canada can use an open-door immigration policy to offset our own ageing population. This does not even address a fact that our immigration lobbyists find most inconvenient: an ageing society actually has many benefits. https://dominionreview.ca/debunking-four-classic-arguments-for-mass-immigration/

The people who need to see something like that are the virtuous white knights who see our immigration system as a kind of world charity to raise poor people up out of poverty and give them a better life here. But they're also the sort of self-satisfied people who won't bother themselves listening to or watching anything that contradicts their worldview.

Unskilled labourers working at Tim Hortons are not going to be paying for the healthcare system. They don't even earn enough to pay income tax.

Meanwhile, we have the number of violent crimes committed in Canada shooting up for no reason the government chooses to explain.

Again, the government refuses to tell us anything about crime here divided by race or origin, but in other countries they do, and there is no real reason to think it's different here. This is from Denmark. MENAPT is a Danish statistical acronym for migrants from countries in the Middle East, North Africa, Pakistan, and Turkey.

Refugees are now arriving and being allowed into the country with no ID and no security screening. They simply use a phone app to apply as a refugee claimant. They don't even need an interview. And thousands of them don't even complete the process. Once they're in, they don't complete their application. They just disappear into the country. https://x.com/ShaunRickard67/status/1996994986626170970?s=20

The Liberals said they would be lowering immigration to 380k next year. They're not. They added 115k to that. Which means just under 500k new permanent residents will arrive in Canada next year. https://x.com/WiretapMediaCa/status/1996993959139111326?s=20

The Liberals have finally bought something! Bombs! Thousands of bombs! Is anyone here surprised by the 'kits' they've also purchased? https://www.canadianaffairs.news/2025/12/06/canada-buys-american-bombs-new-deal/

You can’t assume an immigrant will harm your country simply because they come from a different culture. But if someone openly tells you the framework they live by, then you can judge the implications of that framework. If a person says, “My worldview is Islamic,” and you know that worldview is built on a fear-based relationship with authority, a political theology that divides the world into believer and infidel, and a legal tradition that elevates the ummah above the nation-state, then you can safely infer how they will behave when placed inside a Western civic order. You’re not judging the person; you’re judging the architecture that shaped them. If the system is built on fear, coercion, collective identity, and supremacy, then people raised in it will carry those reflexes with them, unconsciously. The West doesn’t have the luxury of pretending frameworks don’t matter. Ideas shape behavior. Worldviews shape loyalty. And a fear-based Islamic framework produces predictable patterns that no country can afford to ignore. Dan Burmawi

What happens to people who are ruled by dictatorships? They grow up under systems that crush personal agency and destroy any sense of public responsibility. From an early age, you learn one thing: nothing belongs to you unless you take it. Public property is the regime’s, not the people’s. The sidewalk isn’t yours. The park isn’t yours. The bus station isn’t yours. So when it breaks, when it’s filthy, when it’s abused, you don’t care. You weren’t raised to protect what you don’t own. And you were never taught that you’re a stakeholder in anything bigger than your own survival. In these environments, survival is king, and morality becomes transactional. You don’t ask “What’s right?” You ask, “What’s useful?” How do I get more? How do I avoid the system? How do I benefit before I’m exploited? So when people from these moral ecosystems migrate en masse to Western nations, where the very fabric of society depends on trust, shared responsibility, and individual conscience, there’s a cultural collision. The West expects assimilation, but the immigrant brings with him a worldview shaped by scarcity, cynicism, and generational trauma. He sees taxes not as a contribution to the public good, but as theft. He sees public services not as shared blessings, but as loopholes to exploit. He sees laws not as reflections of justice, but as fences to bend or avoid. Dan Burmawi

Netenhahu's power comes from the Palestinians. When things like Oc7 happen, the electorate isn't interested in a politician who wants to hug and shake hands with the enemy and make them partners in peace. They want a guy who promises to crush the enemy and drown him in his own blood. It's been like that for decades. The hard-edges of Israeli politics are all a response to the murderous attacks by Palestinians. I put it to you that if Canada suffered regular murderous terrorist attacks from an identifiable group we'd group some hard edges too. Still waiting for Carney to buy something. It should not take a year to figure out which anti-aircraft or anti-armor missiles to get. There are no industrial benefits to negotiate since they obviously can't be made in Canada. Just put in an order, for Christs sake.

I'm saying Jews and Muslims were killing each other for centuries before the British even got there. Mind you, the Muslims were also killing every other group they came near throughout the entirety of the history of Islam. The relentless need to murder everyone who isn't Muslim is baked into that death cult of a religion.

Note that according to the census 80.1% of visible minorities are immigrants and 18.3% are their children. Those numbers are certainly higher now since Trudeau's huge wave of refugees and immigrants. TCHC = Toronto Community Housing Corporation

Thought I'd post more of these lovely graphs from other countries since our government won't tell us anything about what's going on in ours.

You made the statement. It's up to you to support it, not me to prove you're wrong. Most of them fled during the war their own side initiated, urged to do so by Arab governments on the promise they would soon return after the land was purged of Jews. Yeah, some fled threats from various Jewish militia groups, but that they didn't return when the war ended was the responsibility of their own governments, which urged them not to do so. And by the way, a million Jews were forced out of their homes, shops, and farms by surrounding Arab governments at the same time, and I never see you Palestinian lovers ever mention that. Israel took them all in. Why didn't the Arab countries around Israel take in their people? Because they wanted to use them as a lever against Israel.

This is historically inaccurate to the point of being an outright, blatant, bloody lie.

The reason we mention all the things that go wrong, like us being worst in the OECD for wait times, is because we want them fixed. I'm glad you got treated well. But we all know it could have been, in many jurisdictions, hours before an ambulance arrived. And us CAN-servatives have mentioned what we want done to fix things Double the number of medical school and nursing school admissions, just to start, and the funding for hospital residencies and nursing co-ops, as well. Increase the number of medical technicians too, while buying more MRIs and CT scanners. Then analyse the best working systems in Europe and shift our system over to be more like theirs.