Aristides

I thought our magic immune systems had protected us from everything forever. What happened to that line?

They are immune compromised. Immune compromised people are most in need of vaccines because their own immune system is so weak. That's why they are at the top of the list for boosters.

Ya. How about? Why didn't their magic immune systems protect them from those new viruses. In the Pacific, entire islands were depopulated by whalers and other European visitors who brought new diseases like smallpox. We all know what happened to North American aboriginal populations. Cortes didn't conquer the Aztecs, smallpox did 90% of the job for him. Why didn't their immune systems protect them. Yellow fever killed Europeans in droves before vaccines. The West Indies were referred to as the Fever Islands in the 18th and 19th century. British army regiments and warships stationed there would often lose over half their compliments in a year to disease.

How about all the aboriginal people in the world who were decimated or wiped out by new European diseases like smallpox and measles they were exposed to during the exploration and colonial era? Do you think they all had shit immune systems or co morbidities as well? Smallpox killed an estimated 500 million people in the last century before it was irradiated by vaccines. It had been around for at least 4000 years. Go read up on it yourself.

No one has immunity to a new virus. Their general health can be a big factor in fighting it off but there is no immunity.

It certainly is if you can't get a transplant without it. Organ recipients are not "most people", they are far are more vulnerable to infections than most people.

Look, if someone decides to die just because they won't get vaccinated, that's all on them. It's their choice, no one elses. What unnecessary horses ass principle were you prepared to die for in Afghanistan? These people aren't hero's, they are just stupid.

Good for you. Give me a friggin break. Life or death choice my ass. It's only a life or death choice because that person decides to make it one.

Why do you think they are having to work so much overtime smart ass? Where does it say they are doing it to protest vaccinations?

People will be denying themselves. Stop blaming others for your choices.

Try and find a spot at Abby Regional at noon. When I was going to RCH in August I always had to park in the mental health lot because the main hospital lot was always full. No, "if you don't follow hospital policy you don't get a transplant. Your choice, patients don't set medical policy for this hospital". You don't tell an engineer how to design a bridge or a pilot how to fly his aircraft, why do you think you know enough to lecture medical professionals on medicine? You have been sucked in by every crackpot social media conspiracy theorist of the last two years. 68.3% of new infections and 76.3 new Covid hospitalizations in BC are not fully vaccinated. That's 76.3% of hospitalizations from less than 20% of the population. No they don't and not only have I never said that, I don't think it. My point was, why would a person refuse a vaccination on religious reasons but not a blood transfusion from a vaccinated person? Maybe but there aren't transplant clinics on every street corner.

Good plan. It is in the recipients best interest whether they know it or not. Organ recipients are extremely vulnerable to any infections.

No pay parking in Fraser Health since Covid. I don't necessarily believe in the doctor's actions but the safety of his patients is his call, not another patient's. The transplant centre's opinion is that the vaccine represents a much smaller risk to a transplant patient than the disease itself. The Merck pill has yet to receive emergency approval. You know, that emergency approval people were using as an excuse not to get vaccinated. Only the dumbest transplant patient would chose treatment after they have been infected and showing systems over taking a vaccine which will keep them from showing symptoms. When it comes to co morbidities, organ recipients must be near the top of the list. You can claim to believe whatever you want, that doesn't obligate anyone to comply with those beliefs. Why would any doctor proceed with an unnecessary operation knowing the patient will need blood but not get it? They are free to try and maybe they will get lucky. But just maybe this a matter of medicine, not activism and they will get the same response elsewhere.

He was told to go to the hospital. Did the hospital refuse to see him? She has a personal reason and the hospital has policy reasons based on medicine. What religious reason would there be? What in her religious teaching prohibits vaccination? Does it also prohibit transfusions? A hospital isn't likely to do major non necessary surgery just because a patient is willing to bleed to death on the table for want of a transfusion. Seems to me neither the recipient or the donor are too concerned about her life if this is what they are willing to stand on. It's more about getting their way.

This is a transplant hospital, they will have all kinds of requirements of recipients including vaccinations. I would think hepatitis would be near the top of the list. They don’t give liver transplants to practicing alcoholics. What religious excuse does her donor have? What religious excuses are there? A kidney removal is a major surgery in itself.

I asked, where in Canada? She and her donor were given 30 days to start the vaccination process. I read the article and apparently she won't lose her place on the list but will not be offered a kidney until she is vaccinated. Her donor is also refusing to be vaccinated on religious grounds. I'm not qualified to evaluate the risks to transplant patients but if there is a waiting list for organs and doctors have a choice between otherwise equal vaccinated and unvaccinated recipients, it's not surprising they would go with those that present the least risk of complications and the greatest chance of success. It blows my mind that someone in stage 5 renal failure would be worried about complications from a vaccine that has been successfully taken by billions. On Edit This is the quote from the U of Colorado transplant centre. So it isn't just Covid vaccinations they require before they will do a transplant.

I asked where unvaccinated people in Canada were being refused admittance to hospitals or told they would lose their medical licenses forever.

Where is that happening? I've been in and out of hospitals with my wife for the past two months and not once have I been asked if I was vaccinated or she as a patient, although she has had three PCR tests while she was there,

Carrots were tried for months. Sticks work, it got you vaccinated.

The article says "as of July" not "in July". Out of how many deaths total? We've known from the beginning that vaccines are less effective in the elderly who already have weaker immune systems.

Shows what Delta can do when a vaccination rate is under 60%.

BC North gets new restrictions The Northern Health region has 6% of the province's population and the lowest vaccination rate. In the past week it has had. 12 deaths, 25% of the provincial total 64 hospitalized, 24% of the provincial total 44 unvaccinated Covid ICU patients airlifted to southern health regions.

It isn't for a 40 hr week but close enough for some to make working not worth the trouble.

Ya I know, it's the old story. I can't do whatever I want because someone else is inefficient.

So file a Charter challenge. I'm amazed there aren't hundreds considering how much noise is being made about this. Could it be that lawyers are saying they have no case?