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  1. 4 hours ago, bcsapper said:

    Rapid population growth is a result of improved medical technology, advances in agriculture and overly zealous religious nutjobs.  I'm sure climate played its part though.

    Improved medical technology and advances in agriculture are of course the result of 14,000 years of global warming. This is why you are sitting in a warm home, with a fridge full of food in front of our computer, instead of chasing some game animal through the snow, hoping you don't freeze or starve before the days get long.

  2. 3 hours ago, bcsapper said:

    Me too, but of the two of us, I think you are more wrong at the moment.  Rapid population growth is a result of improved medical technology, advances in agriculture and overly zealous religious nutjobs.  I'm sure climate played its part though.

    That said, your future might be bright.  Mine doesn't look that bad at all.  It's the others I worry about.

    Sadly we have become a nation that no longer has hope for the future, but looks to it with despair. We are no longer nation builders, but are shutting our economies down.  We don't have a plan for making our world better, because we are convinced by  others that all we are doing is destructive and wrong. It is time that we had a vision of where we want to get to, and start moving in that direction. Not all nutjobs are religious, many of them are running around crying "the sky is falling" and trying to interfere with those that are working to make things better. It is time to stop being so negative, diminishing our world and making it smaller, and start making it bigger, better place. It is time that living life became more important than hiding from it, time to value hope over fear, time to work for what we want instead of hiding from what we don't want. You may think that this is wrong, and there are many that would agree with you.

  3. 3 hours ago, bcsapper said:

    And they keep reproducing.  Depending on which models one believes (models? pfft!) we could add another 2 or 3 billion before we realize we can't feed them all.

    Rapid population growth is  a result of the last hundred yeas being the most favorable century climate wise in the last 125,000 years. We will be within a couple of degrees of that for a long time to come. That is a long ways from bring a disaster, and is in fact very favorable place to be. If we had a thermostat, we might like to turn it back one or two degrees, and there are people working on that. You don't see enough progress, but I see momentum, and we are picking up speed. Despair if you like, I see a bright future. Of course I am  wrong a lot.

  4. 12 hours ago, bcsapper said:

    Even countries that purport to take the whole thing seriously appear not to. 

    Of course if you expect the governments to solve this problem you will be disappointed. The problem will be solved when it becomes profitable to do so. Carbon credits are one way that the government can actually help. It could  make algae carbon  capture profitable. The technology is improving, products are being produced, and carbon credits could make it viable.

    It will probably dawn on someone that fresh water pipelines could turn the Australian outback  into productive farmland and make many people a lot of money.  The same could be true of large parts of the U.S. southwest. Farming seaweed, and turning it into fertilizer could help the oceans, and improve our agricultural soil. Is it commercially viable? With carbon credits it might be. In the mean time if the globe warms by a degree or two, the human race will probably survive that.

  5. 56 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

    I think the one that was 250 million years ago was the worst.  But I could be wrong.

    I think that the worst one is the next one.  

     

    58 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

    I'm sure our best and brightest, (those not working on weapons systems, cyber security or infectious disease mitigation) are working very hard indeed.  They have been for a while now, I think.  It hasn't helped much, as far as I can see.

    Of course we have been working on a solution only since there has been a consensus that there is a problem. We have been creating a problem longer that working at solving it. If you think that we are not making progress, I have to disagree. In the mean time. If you are looking for a perfect world you will be disappointed, if you believe that we the grizzly demise or the human race is imminent. I don't see that either, I think that the reality falls somewhere in between.  I have faith in the people who are working on making on making the world a better place, and don't have much time for the doomsayers.

  6. 20 hours ago, Cannucklehead said:

    https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

     

    Of course deniers won't believe it until it's too late.  It wouldn't matter if we have a culling, the lifestyle we've become accustomed to is toxic.  

    So far there has been no culling. Our warmer climate has seen the greatest increase in human population ever. Is the current warming of the planet a disaster, no it is not. The real climate disasters are

    • Ordovician-silurian Extinction: 440 million years ago.
    • Devonian Extinction: 365 million years ago.
    • Permian-triassic Extinction: 250 million years ago.
    • Triassic-jurassic Extinction: 210 million years ago.
    • Cretaceous-tertiary Extinction: 65 Million Years Ago.
    These resulted in nuclear winters, the teal climate disasters.
     
    We are actually in a very good climate right now. I live in south west B.C. and shoveled a lot of snow growing up, now not so much. Would the world be a better place with less carbon in the atmosphere and if the seas were less acidic? Probably. Of course our best and brightest are working on solutions. Work is being done on a pipeline across the Sahara Desert, bringing water for agriculture and  the planting of millions of trees.  Technology is being developed to capture carbon from smoke stacks, and from the air. One promising area is the machines that optimize algae production.  The algae can then be used to make bio fuels that replace fossil fuels, and plastics that can be stored in building products, furniture, automobile products, appliances and maybe even products to pave our streets.  There are plans to farm seaweed in the oceans shallow waters, taking carbon out, putting oxygen in, and balancing ph levels, and increasing marine populations. our best and brightest are working on solutions, and the Chicken Littles are running around crying "the sky is falling".
  7. 10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

    1. Yes, but interestingly we were more naive back then even without the internet.  Mass media didn't think to ask the scientists.  If they had, they would have had to retract.  But climate concerns and disinformation were not remotely threatening at the time.

    Of course that is the point. It took time for people to be aware of the problem, and see the need to address it. That is what is being done now, but it will take time to turn the tide, and longer still for the media to stop their tales of woe. If it sells toothpaste, they will tell their story. Fortunately we have time, and people are working on it.

  8. On 1/18/2021 at 10:21 AM, The Messenger said:

    I guess I am in the camp that says ‘Climate Change is real.’ 

    But my concern/confusion about this issue comes from both a political and religious standpoint. 

    Of course climate change is real. The climate is constantly changing. When I was in school people were afraid of another ice age, because it killed the dinosaurs. It was later discovered that the world was warming, and that became the worst possible outcome, and would be the demise of the human race. The world has been warming for 14,000 years since the last ice age. The warming of the earth has been beneficial for mankind, and has let us advance from hunter gatherers into farmers, and allowed us to make permanent settlements instead of being nomadic people following prey animals. It allowed us to support the scholars, engineers and scientists that have built the society that we enjoy today. We are in the sweet spot now, and the earths population has increased from 7 million at the end of the last ice age to now over 7 billion.

    There have been problems of course, and our appetite for energy has resulted in the burning of huge amounts of carbon releasing it into the atmosphere speeding up this warming of the earth. In the late 1980s there became a general consensus among the world's scientists that we needed  to address the problems that  were resulting from this. Many environmentalists took up the torch, and tried to make people aware of this need for change. Many others jumped on the band wagon mostly spreading despair, and trying to make people feel guilty. Others started looking for solutions. Technology was developed to scrub emissions from smoke stacks, carbon capture was developed using chemical means, and the use of algae to take carbon out of the air, and put oxygen back in. Programs of planting trees were supported, and renewable energy was encouraged. Farming seaweed in shallow ocean waters to remove carbon reducing the acidification of the oceans, and increasing sea life was introduced. There is a project (the Trans African Pipeline) to reclaim much of the northern Sahara planting trees, and providing fresh water that will allow the area to grow food to feed the hungry. 

    Man is the only animal capable of making beneficial climate change, and progress toward that goal is progressing.

    As far as religion is concerned, there are many hundreds of religions, mostly contradictory, meaning that most of them must be wrong. I hope that you have found the true one.

  9. 5 hours ago, Army Guy said:

    Well here is a news flash, This is what the liberals have been trying to do since the beginning of this out break. 

    Bring in the emergency measure act, which will provide them with the legislation and policies to do what ever they want, giving them unlimited power to enact anything without going through the regular channels ie parliament.

    Looks like Justin has come full circle. I graduated high school in 1971, during the tenure of Pierre Elliot Trudeau. He increased the federal debt by 720%, brought in wage and price controls, (which were actually just wage controls) and the war measures act to suspend peoples rights and freedoms. He was the worst prime minister Canada ever had. I didn't suspect that he would raise a son that would surpass all his father's  transgressions. I just hope that Justin's kids want to be architects or retailers, and don't carry on the family tradition.

  10. 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

    punish the debtors.

    Of course we are the debtors, and have been punished enough.

    Canadian government debt, also called Canada’s “public debt,” is the liabilities of the government sector.

     For 2019 (the fiscal year ending 31 March 2020), total financial liabilities or gross debt was $2434 billion ($64,087 per capita) for the consolidated Canadian general government (federal, provincial, territorial, and local governments combined). This corresponds to 105.3% as a ratio of GDP (GDP was $2311 billion). Of the gross debt, $1145 billion or 47% was federal (central) government liabilities (49.6% as a ratio to GDP).  Provincial government liabilities comprise most of the remaining liabilities.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_public_debt

    Canada also had a massive debt after WW2, but gdp was very strong with war production, which switched over to domestic production as our servicemen returned home, got married, started families, and needed to buy everything. This was a time when business was encouraged by the government, not crushed by it. With a federal debt growing by a billion dollars a day, and businesses dropping like flies, it is time to open up the economy, and let business do business.

    2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

    Inflation has remained very modest by historical terms, and near zero interest conditions will persist for several more years.    Central banks actually strive to keep inflation in a 2% - 3% band as a matter of monetary policy.

    That was before managing the economy was turned over to unelected doctors.

  11. 3 hours ago, Aristides said:

    The only reason interest rates are so low is the governments are buying their own debt through reserves like Bank of Canada and the Fed. If they had to rely on private and corporate sources to finance their debt, rates would probably be in the 10% range. The question is, how long can they continue to do this?

    The problem of course is that the government is increasing the money supply by auctioning government securities to service the debt, while reducing the gdp with government restrictions. More money, less to buy equals inflation. More inflation requires higher interest rates increasing debt servicing costs.

  12. It is beyond me how people think that we can continue with restrictions, and we will be okay.

    Getting to the end of next year will be difficult for many businesses and households, and support programs will continue to drain the coffers of the federal and provincial/territorial governments.

    The debt levels of federal and provincial/territorial governments will rise sharply in 2020-21 and the three years that follow. Over the medium term, governments will struggle to balance their books, despite relatively low interest rates, while a longer-term perspective suggests that, on aggregate, the situation for provinces and territories is untenable.

    In its Nov. 30 fiscal update, the federal government tallied up the costs of COVID and the impact on the deficit — which will swell to $382 billion in 2020-21. The provinces and territories, too, have tallied record deficits — $92 billion, on aggregate, we estimate. Taken Together, the fiscal gap will account for roughly 22 per cent of GDP this year.

    But the pandemic’s effect on the economy will be long-lasting, resulting in ongoing massive deficits for both levels of government. In an upcoming report from the Conference Board of Canada, we assess the longer-term fiscal outlook for Canada and the aggregate provinces and territories. The situation suggests that the finances of governments at both levels will be squeezed for decades to come.

    Excluding the $70 to $100 billion in additional post-COVID stimulus announced in the federal fiscal update, current spending plans by both levels of government, coupled with a lasting negative hit to revenues, will add copiously to public debt. Over the four fiscal years, 2020-21 to 2023-24, federal and provincial/territorial governments are expected to amass $864 billion in deficits and add $940 billion to the aggregate net debt. This will bring the aggregate net debt as a share of GDP to over 95 per cent.

     

    https://ipolitics.ca/2020/12/10/record-high-debt-a-long-term-concern-for-governments-in-canada/

    Every month we continue with current policies we add over 30 billion in federal deficit, if you add provincial debts it comes close to 40 billion per month. For some reason people think we can continue to do this for another 8 months until we are told that we can vaccinate everyone. Even if we opened the economy fully now it would take many years to reach even a balanced budget, not a surplus necessary to start paying the debt down.  You can't keep spending money you don't have, so the government will need to reduce spending on healthcare education etc..

     

  13. 2 hours ago, French Patriot said:

    Prove me wrong.

     

    I will not attempt to prove you wrong, because I don't know that you are wrong. Like I said from the beginning, I have more questions than answers. The answers of course lie in a place I am not yet ready to go. I didn't provide answers to anything, just questions. I didn't present dogma, just information on a scientific study, do with it as you wish.  The study of course doesn't try to state that NDE is real, because nothing in science is real unless it has been measured, and to my knowledge NDE never has been measured.  Believe what you believe, I am okay with that.

  14. 2 hours ago, cannuck said:

    Canada has under 5,000 ICU beds, so right now, 20% are tied up with Covid patients.  Load on medical staff is another and greater problem, as is supply of PPE.

    Sadly mismanagement of our healthcare system has left us unable to handle a crisis. Of course lockdowns have done much to fill the other 80% of ICU beds. If we had a crisis management system in place, maybe our hospital administrators would provide space for emergency, and post op patients in community centers or temporary shelters, move non critical patients to emergency rooms, and make use of the vacated beds for critical cases. Perhaps our crippled healthcare system doesn't have enough funding to hire administrators with problem solving abilities.

    With irresponsible government borrowing and a diminished economy expect our ability to respond to future crises to be much less.

  15. Our healthcare system has been suffering from underfunding for years, and the lockdowns will make this much worse.

    Canadian government debt, also called Canada’s “public debt,” is the liabilities of the government sector. For 2019 (the fiscal year ending 31 March 2020), total financial liabilities or gross debt was $2434 billion ($64,087 per capita) for the consolidated Canadian general government (federal, provincial, territorial, and local governments combined). This corresponds to 105.3% as a ratio of GDP (GDP was $2311 billion). Of the gross debt, $1145 billion or 47% was federal (central) government liabilities (49.6% as a ratio to GDP). Provincial government liabilities comprise most of the remaining liabilities.

    Statistics Canada says debt is expected to rise significantly in 2020 due to massive new borrowing to cover expected historic deficits from measures implemented in response to the COVID-19 pandemic. As of the third quarter of 2020, the ratio of gross debt to GDP for the federal government reached 59.5% while the ratio for the federal plus other levels of government had climbed to 131.1%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_public_debt

    Of course with the economy tanking it will be necessary to reduce hospital funding, and every month of restrictions makes the funding gap worse. Trudeau says that we can expect herd immunity by September. This is another 8 months, does anyone think that recognize Canada by then?

  16. 2 hours ago, French Patriot said:

    It is like a cruel parent showing a child a treat just before eating it all himself.

    Regards

    DL

    The group of cardiac arrest survivors with NDEs were statistically more likely have a reduced fear of death, increased belief in life after death, interest in the meaning of life, acceptance of others, and were more loving and empathic. It may take years after NDEs for the aftereffects to become fully manifest. The aftereffects may be so substantial that NDErs may seem to be very different people to their loved ones and family. The consistency, intensity, and durability of NDE aftereffects is consistent with the NDErs’ typical personal assessments that their experiences were very meaningful and significant. It is remarkable that NDEs often occur during only minutes of unconsciousness, yet commonly result in substantial and life-long transformations of beliefs and values.

     

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6172100/

     

    Maybe the cruel parent didn't eat all the treat.

  17. Years of restraint straining Ontario's hospital system: report


     

    The report reveals just how lean the province’s 141 hospitals have become in recent years. Not only does Ontario have the lowest hospital expenditure per capita by a provincial government, at $1,494 compared to an average of $1,772, but Ontario is tied with Mexico for the fewest acute care hospital beds per capita in the world.

    Ontario’s hospitals have faced low or nearly flat funding over recent years. Between 2012 and 2019, government funding to Ontario hospitals increased by a total of 5.4 per cent, compared to an average of 12.9 per cent among other provinces, while wages and population increased.

     

    https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/years-of-restraint-straining-ontarios-hospital-system-report#:~:text=Not only does Ontario have,flat funding over recent years.

     

    It seems that Ontario has done more to cripple it's healthcare system than most. That with added opiod cases longer waiting lists, has really diminished their capacity to cope. I believe that there may be some Ontario hospitals that have more than one covid19 patient in ICU, but you have not named one yet.

  18. 17 minutes ago, Aristides said:

    In many places you will find a lot more than 1 person in ICU.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-transfer-patients-1.5865452

    The GTA is transporting patients to other regions because they are running out of room. Last week LA county had over 1600 in ICU. They had 16 empty beds. They were telling EMT's to triage people before they transported them and to conserve oxygen because they are running short. That where you want to go?

    L.A. is not actually in Canada. Their citizens go to non Canadian hospitals as a rule. If you have knowledge of any Canadian hospitals that are full of covid19 patients, please provide a source.

  19. 24 minutes ago, Aristides said:

    But if people with Covid die because they are denied treatment, that is OK.

    There are a total of 1200 hospitals in Canada, and 4706 hospitalizations for covid19, 885 of them in ICU> This is an average of 4 patients per hospital, less than 1 ICU  per hospital.  Not the story you government and media would have you believe.

    1,200 hospitals

    In total, there were over 1,200 hospitals in Canada as of 2019
     

    https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGRV_enCA911CA911&biw=1600&bih=757&sxsrf=ALeKk03ynaWUUrnwacjD7-OjTjaormC1Ig%3A1610843366304&ei=5oQDYNOGEumq0PEP8eCHsAo&q=total+number+of+hospitals+in+canada&oq=+total+hospitals+canada+how+many&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgAMgUIABDNAjoECAAQRzoECCMQJzoGCAAQCBAeOggIABAIEAcQHlCbe1jXqAFg2sMBaABwAngAgAHAAYgB8QSSAQM2LjGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6yAEIwAEB&sclient=psy-ab


     


     

    HOSPITALIZATIONS

    COMPARED TO PREVIOUS DAY

    Currently*4,706

    - 81

     

    ICU885

    + 4

     


     

    https://ici.radio-canada.ca/info/2020/coronavirus-covid-19-pandemie-cas-carte-maladie-symptomes-propagation/index-en.html

  20. 4 hours ago, bcsapper said:

    No, I don't think so.  They had to react quickly.  Imagine if they had done nothing.

    If they had done nothing, it would have saved many thousands of lives, and our economy would be much healthier. If they had focused their resources on testing, contact tracing and isolating those who are likely to spread the virus, we would have been free of this mess a long time ago.

  21. 2 hours ago, bcsapper said:

    What if they die of the virus due to government inaction?

    I am going to go off topic a bit here, but this is what Dr. David Nabarro said about lockdowns.

     

     

    Destructive actions are worse than no action.  Think before you destroy.  Of course as was posted earlier the appropriate action would have been maximum testing, contact tracing, and isolating those who were likely to infect others.

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