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Large Israeli study: Natural immunity provides 13 times more protection against Delta than Pfizer's vaccine does.
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One might want to read the whole article before getting too impressed by Boges's clip quote.
Try reading the preceding paragraph and then the Boges quote.
QuoteThe new analysis relies on the database of Maccabi Healthcare Services, which enrolls about 2.5 million Israelis. The study, led by Tal Patalon and Sivan Gazit at KSM, the system’s research and innovation arm, found in two analyses that people who were vaccinated in January and February were, in June, July, and the first half of August, six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus. In one analysis, comparing more than 32,000 people in the health system, the risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated, and the risk of hospitalization eight times higher.
“The differences are huge,” says Thålin, although she cautions that the numbers for infections and other events analyzed for the comparisons were “small.” For instance, the higher hospitalization rate in the 32,000-person analysis was based on just eight hospitalizations in a vaccinated group and one in a previously infected group. And the 13-fold increased risk of infection in the same analysis was based on just 238 infections in the vaccinated population, less than 1.5% of the more than 16,000 people, versus 19 reinfections among a similar number of people who once had SARS-CoV-2.
She's simply talking about the range of the results and where the highest results in the range come from. She not saying the study is nullified by where the high range numbers came from.
Notice also the clip quotes Boges doesn't want to draw attention to. For example:
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The research impresses Nussenzweig and other scientists who have reviewed a preprint of the results, posted yesterday on medRxiv. “It’s a textbook example of how natural immunity is really better than vaccination,” says Charlotte Thålin, a physician and immunology researcher at Danderyd Hospital and the Karolinska Institute who studies the immune responses to SARS-CoV-2 .
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Large Israeli study: Natural immunity provides 13 times more protection against Delta than Pfizer's vaccine does.
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In any case, 'so what' on his critiques.
He's like 'OMG! The study was done in Vietnam.' So what.
You could also put that the way they did in the article:
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The researchers, who detailed their findings in a paper by the prestigious Oxford University Clinical Research Group published Aug. 10 in The Lancet, found that while the jab moderates symptoms of infection, it also allows vaccinated individuals to carry unusually high viral loads without becoming ill at first, potentially transforming them into pre-symptomatic superspreaders.
“This phenomenon may be the source of the shocking post-vaccination surges in heavily vaccinated populations globally,” Dr. Peter McCullough noted in an Aug. 23 analysis for Children’s Health Defense’s The Defender.
The researchers who authored the paper found widespread vaccine failure and high rates of Covid transmission under tightly controlled circumstances in a hospital lockdown in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam.
The scientists studied healthcare workers who were unable to leave the hospital for two weeks. The data showed that fully vaccinated workers — about two months after injection with the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine — acquired, carried and presumably transmitted the Delta variant to their vaccinated colleagues."
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Large Israeli study: Natural immunity provides 13 times more protection against Delta than Pfizer's vaccine does.
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And here's another interesting one I just read about:
Scientists: Fully vaccinated carry 251 times the Covid viral load as unvaccinated
All this science keeps telling us it's better to be cautious about vaccines and there are most likely better ways of dealing with the problem for now than masks, lockdowns and vaccines.
But there are those who deny the science. Shall we call them "Deniers?"
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I prefer liberty with danger than peace with slavery. - Jean Jacque Rousseau
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From children in ICUs from Covid you mean?
Well yeah...if you're suggesting that full ICUs populated by covid infected children is ever going to be a problem then I'm pretty sure I know which one of you will look like an idiot and it's not Shady.
They're might be some kids with flu caused pneumonia they're calling covid related in the odd ICU though.
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I prefer liberty with danger than peace with slavery. - Jean Jacque Rousseau
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I call that expression 'Prog smug.' Ever notice how many of them wear it? It's like they come off an assembly line with it brain trained into their muscle memory.
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I prefer liberty with danger than peace with slavery. - Jean Jacque Rousseau
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Congratulations on finding a stethoscope Dr Scott. Was it at the bottom of your toy box?
Now go back to your bureaucrat office, drop you drawers, pop the cap on the vaseline jar, grab your ankles and wait for Fauci.
Cloth masks don't work, they're dangerous for children and covid is less dangerous for kids than the flu.
If infections worry you, you should talk to Doctor Argus, Doctor Citizen, or Doctor Bubber here. They'll tell you vaccinations are pretty much infallible.
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Still don't know anyone who tested positive for Covid, let alone got sick or died.
That's why, pandemic, you say?
My ass.
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Is Biden gonna come out of his bunker?
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Cuomo appealing to reason, love and understanding, and complains about political partisanship.
Fall on your own sword, bad man. Die in the fire you people have started. The cleansing flame takes out dead wood to make way for the pure and stong.
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Troll it is then.
Very well. I'll be counter- troll.
You're lying, as trolls are prone to do. Nobody in this conversation or any other I've been a part of ever said the virus was fake. That was the original claim and you're lying about it. Nobody ever claimed that. The quote you have no more says anything about a "fake" virus than it does water isn't wet. Claiming it does is just a lying troll.
You can pretend you're too slow to know that but I'm going to pay you the compliment of telling you I don't believe it. You're lying or you're nuts. Choose the one you're more comfortable with.
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Cuomo appealing to reason, love and understanding, and complains about political partisanship.
Fall on your own sword, bad man. Die in the fire you people have started. The cleansing flame takes out dead wood to make way for the pure and stong.
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Here Bubber. I'll try to put it so clear even you can understand.
The original covid 19 virus was not fake. Current evidence suggests it was more harmful than the flu.
The current variants are most likely less dangerous than the flu but current evidence is uncertain. Different sources come to different conclusions. Best current evidence says it's no more dangerous than the flu for vaccinated and unvaccinated together as a demographic.
What they're calling vaccines and therapeutics together make both variants and the original less dangerous than the flu. That's pretty easy to show with statistics up till the present. They may change.
If you disagree I'll have that discussion with you and offer support,
But if you want to insist I said something I never said you're just another troll and we'll be having a different conversation.
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Cuomo appealing to reason, love and understanding, and complains about political partisanship.
Fall on your own sword, bad man. Die in the fire you people have started. The cleansing flame takes out dead wood to make way for the pure and stong.
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Cuomo appealing to reason, love and understanding, and complains about political partisanship.
Fall on your own sword, bad man. Die in the fire you people have started. The cleansing flame takes out dead wood to make way for the pure and stong.
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Oh and Bubber, it's the variant that best current evidence is showing is no more (most likely less) dangerous than the flu, not the original Chinese Communist virus, Covid 19.
Although, with the thing they're calling a vaccine and therapeutics like Hydroxychloroquine and others even the original Chi-Comm may be less dangerous now than the flu.
But now you're complaining the explanation is too many words for you, are you? Very well, would you prefer I just find you some sites with pictures explaining the difference between the variants and the original? Can you handle that or will that be too many words for you too?
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Cuomo appealing to reason, love and understanding, and complains about political partisanship.
Fall on your own sword, bad man. Die in the fire you people have started. The cleansing flame takes out dead wood to make way for the pure and stong.
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Not sure if you're having problems discerning reality again or if you're hoping we'll forget what you falsely accused me of. You accused me of claiming the Covid 19 virus was fake.
Noticing Florida is not having more problems with the virus than other comparable states is not the same thing as saying the virus is fake.
You're not saying the virus is fake by noticing the variants are less dangerous than the original. Less dangerous is not the same thing as not dangerous.
A mentally retarded child would be able to understand that. Why can't you?
I can only come to 2 conclusions as to why. You're hoping nobody will notice what you're actually saying or you're nuts.
Personally I'm leaning towards the latter.
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Cuomo appealing to reason, love and understanding, and complains about political partisanship.
Fall on your own sword, bad man. Die in the fire you people have started. The cleansing flame takes out dead wood to make way for the pure and stong.
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Cuomo appealing to reason, love and understanding, and complains about political partisanship.
Fall on your own sword, bad man. Die in the fire you people have started. The cleansing flame takes out dead wood to make way for the pure and stong.
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Does this sound familiar?
Not at all...but I don't have access to your fantasy world.
Thank God.
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Cuomo appealing to reason, love and understanding, and complains about political partisanship.
Fall on your own sword, bad man. Die in the fire you people have started. The cleansing flame takes out dead wood to make way for the pure and stong.
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Cuomo appealing to reason, love and understanding, and complains about political partisanship.
Fall on your own sword, bad man. Die in the fire you people have started. The cleansing flame takes out dead wood to make way for the pure and stong.
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There needs to be a disclaimer under Argus’ posts: the following view will be the opposite when posting in the American politics section! ?
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There needs to be a disclaimer under Argus’ posts: the following view will be the opposite when posting in the American politics section! ?
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Anyone know why Shady is still even in Canada? Will the Americans not let him live there?
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Anyone know why Shady is still even in Canada? Will the Americans not let him live there?
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Daily cases back above 100,000 and daily deaths just reached 500 in the US.
It's a lot worse because those figures are coming from only a handful of states.