Zeitgeist
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31 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:
At this point, it is not a world wide pandemic anymore.
If you want or need them, it is good you can get it.
The measures were blunt instruments that didn’t need to be imposed on most people. They should’ve been highly recommended for people of certain ages, weights, and health profiles, certainly after the vaccines became available. In the end the disease had to run through the entire population and the vaccine had only minor impact.
Early on I understand that we didn’t know what we were dealing with. People always had access to available information and could take measures to protect themselves. The excuse of not overwhelming the healthcare system said more about the weakness of our healthcare system than anything else. Were some measures necessary? Of course, but measures should be measured and often the health and other impacts of these measures weren’t properly taken into account. Many people came away feeling that the government was overbearing and extreme. It exposed the carelessness, slowness, and self-preservation of the authorities. Half the population went along and accepted it all. Half questioned the measures any were publicly denigrated for it.
The Emergencies Act really looked bad on the federal government. I think the Trudeau government has done more damage to Canada than any government I’ve learned about in Canadian history. Nevertheless, they influenced enough opinion through media and the bureaucracy to keep half the country on-side, or they did. I think most Canadians want them gone now.
What the pandemic taught me is that the Canadian state is too controlling and its constitutional protections are weak. Government should be minimized and stay in its lane of responsibilities. Our government redistributes money from earners and uses it to have a government program for everything, like it or not. They prop up media, threatening the ability to have a free press. They’ve become beholden to radical left special interest groups that favour some groups over others. It’s really damaged Canada’s brand. Even many US Democrats see it.
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The impacts of the lockdowns, mandates, and privations are still with us. We didn’t need all this. The vaccines are probably only helpful to a small segment of the population at this point. If you want them, they’re there. Enjoy.
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59 minutes ago, I am Groot said:
She needs to go.
But what can you expect from her? She was an activist, and that's the only reason she was made governor general. Well, and being a native.
Canada is becoming this gross leftist groupthink where the entire bureaucracy, mainstream media, courts, Governor General, and the protected monopolies all sing from the same woke song sheet. Many of them don’t like it and know it’s fake but it keeps them employed like little apparatchiks in the faceless hive. No questioning or diversity of thought. Anyone who questions is labeled “alt right.” Eww
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1 minute ago, eyeball said:
You figure millions more dead and who knows how many hospitalized would have been better?
Getting a grip is just way too hard?
Go back to your favourite gulag.
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2 minutes ago, eyeball said:
Not by scientists. There isn't a reputable scientific/medical institute or university anywhere on the planet that references that hooey.
And I doubt real Nazis will be any more pleased that you're associating them with retards than when they're being associated with Trudeau.
Mm hm. You do you.
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8 hours ago, Goddess said:
I was just reading one man's experience of trying to visit his favourite 97 year old aunt recently. She had denied his visits for the last 4 years, scared silly of the virus.
Well that indicates the psychological impacts of constant media bombardment. Whether or not any of the messaging was true or good, and at least some of it wasn’t, doesn’t change the fact that constantly telling people to behave a certain way and fear behaving otherwise will change behaviour on a mass scale. Comparisons to 1930’s Germany and Orwell’s 1984 apply for sure. And no, that doesn’t mean I’m calling the Liberals Nazis (got it, Eyeball?).
It’s been referred to as mass formation psychosis.
The results are tragic for some who still can’t shed the fear instilled during the pandemic. I don’t think it was worth it.
It’s critically important that people don’t accept that which is contestable as Truth. It’s also important that critical thinking is preserved and encouraged. No crisis makes it acceptable to sacrifice basic human rights, yet we did a bit of that, and we’re still paying for it psychologically and politically.
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6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:
The real question in my mind when all of this comes up is "what do you think you'll have if you leave that you don't have now"? He's complaining he doesn't know how he'll survive if they have less than 20 percent of the vote? You'll have ZERO percent if you leave, You already have control over your language and culture in a massive way. You won't have the gov't hand outs or equalization or gov't contracts any more so your income isn't going up, there's nobody that they'd be able to business with that they can't now.
What exactly would they gain? What would they suddenly be able to do that they can't do now? I can tell you what they'd LOSE and that's absolutely massive.
Yes, and Canadians outside Quebec are questioning the value of pumping a disproportionately high amount of tax revenue into Quebec with few benefits for the rest of Canada, not to mention the already baked in preferential rules for Quebec on immigration, pensions, etc. in our asymmetrical federation. All options available to Quebec should be available to all provinces. The Conservatives understand the value of ensuring that all provinces have as much power and self-determination as possible. The federal government should only be focusing on their essential responsibilities and getting them right: defence, ports, air travel, Canada Post, passports, etc.
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5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:
Well the other question is how do various areas within quebec feel about it? For example - what's to stop the first nations from deciding they want to stay part of canada and voting to secede fom quebec? If quebec demands they have the right to leave canada, then they have to agree those areas have the right to leave quebec.
It's a null threat. And that question has been asked already twice, Just throw them out.
Yes, and the island of Montreal city councillors always vote for Montreal to stay in Canada. The Montrealers always vote to stay in Canada. As Quebec inevitably becomes more multicultural to survive (given the pure lain Quebecers’ negative birth rate), the foreign born population is majority federalist because they fear the ethno-nationalists in Quebec.
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34 minutes ago, CdnFox said:
Did it seem like we were holding you from it?
we let you have two referrendums.
Get the hell out if you want to go.
You want to complain how you're treated when you have 20 percent of the vote - just wait till you have none.
I actually think Canada needs to hold back funding to Quebec until the out of province tuition fees are lowered and the settler tax removed. Treating fellow Canadians like foreigners gives non-Quebecers the right to treat Quebec like a foreign country. We don’t pay for services and infrastructure in foreign countries. Anglophone rights in Quebec must also be guaranteed.
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7 minutes ago, Aristides said:
I'm a British Columbian born and bred but a Canadian first. I would hate to see Canada break up and think it would be bad for everyone but I'm starting to wonder if that is what has to happen.
Yeah Quebec is a high-priced, high maintenance infertile aging girlfriend that the rest of Canada props up for no clear reason other than sentimental feelings for a history that our own government disparages as settler colonial. Quebec’s radical secularism also illustrates that Quebecers are turning their backs on their own cultural roots, as publicly funded Catholic education is only maintained now in English Canada. The irony…
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Quebec has a great history and culture, and they’ve had lots of protection of their culture and industries by government, especially the government of Canada. Bombardier, Quebecor, Hydro Quebec, Cirque de Soleil, etc. are some examples. However, they’re the highest taxed jurisdiction in North America. They prevent the transfer of Alberta oil and gas to the East Coast. Their infrastructure at times looks third world. Quebec receives billions in transfers and pet program funding from the rest of Canada, which props up the French language in North America for Quebec. What’s the upside for Canadians outside Quebec? They even have to pay international tuition fees in Quebec. Canadians who move to Quebec from other provinces have to pay a settlement fee. Quebec treats Canadians outside Quebec like foreigners, so why should Canada fight to keep Quebec? The Americans shake their heads.
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5 hours ago, CdnFox said:
Well... no.
Ontario would do as well as it does now, as you note it's trade is north and south mostly addressing automotive and other manufacturing. Some argue that's in trouble already but that won't change positively or negatively.
And The praries would do fine. THey grow the food and people all around the world will still need food. And potash and oil will still sell just fine. Their trade really isn't north to south. Alberta's oil is but it's also east to west through bc. But it ISN"T west to east - so quebec's leaving woudln't affect it.
BC will thrive - it will still be the only port to the asian markets, it will still be a tech and movie mecca, it will still have tonnes of resources like trees and natural gas available. and it would now be the second largest province. I have no doubt that it's elderly care industries would do very well as you say but that tends to be 'generational' - it would tend to come and go.
And i think you'd see the western provinces starting to work together more and more. And suddenly ontario's focus would switch westward - without the seats in quebec up for grabs any more the western provinces would have almost as many seats as ontario - 108 to 122.
That means more federal contracts in the west, more leaders from the west, etc etc.
As far as the maritimes goes - they might just get control of their hydro back. That would be big for them.
And with quebec gone - equalization gets 'interesting'
The west in general would benefit HUGELY from quebec leaving - ontario not so much but it woudln't be too bad.
I’m not as bullish on BC because of its socialist policies, but if they could integrate with Alberta, then yes, big possibility there. I pretty much lump Saskatchewan in with Alberta as they have very similar outlooks and would probably maintain close ties and thrive. Manitoba is that transitional province from Ontario to the West and it would probably remain closely tied to both. Canada could probably thrive as a whole country without Quebec as long as we keep control of the St. Lawrence Seaway, or at least retain unlimited access. I just don’t know if at that point some provinces would be better off going it alone.
My province of Ontario would be a powerhouse without having to take care of the welfare programs of the east and north, but I always thought that the idea of Canada had value, that our national identity is more than the sum of its parts. I want to believe that, but it’s hard to buy into that when our own government calls Canada genocidal and settler colonial or a culture-less post-national state that serves unaccountable international interests that care more about their goals for how we should all live than the interests of Canadians.
If Canada is to persist as a nation-state rather than provinces or territories or as parts of the US or UK, its federal government has to assert Canadian culture and serve Canadians better than these other options.
How do most Canadians define Canada in ways that matter to them? Does our own federal government serve those values?
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So much of our trade is north-south given all the stupid interprovincial red tape. If Canada broke up, Ontario and Alberta would thrive as self sufficient powerhouses. B.C. would consolidate its position as a retirement villa for rich Chinese but produce basically nothing. Even resource development would end there under the communist green government. The Maritimes and Newfoundland would become either appendages of the US or some kind of shrunken federation run by Ontario. Quebec would become a shrinking francophone backwater. The far north would struggle and either be part of the shrunken federation run by Ontario or join Alaska. Independent, it would decline without all the federal funding, much like the East Coast would. They could only survive independently by amping up immigration and eradicating their culture and way of life, though the Canadian federal government is doing that for all of Canada now.
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22 hours ago, CdnFox said:
And this is what happens when federal gov'ts step too strongly on the toes of the provinces.
When harper was in, he let the provinces run themselves as they saw fit. The bloc and the parti were all but destroyed and western seperation fell to near zero.
Trudeau has managed to reverse ALL of that and we're back to provinces openly talking about seperation
Obviously this is also a bargaining position - Quebec wants to keep 20 percent of the vote even tho it's got less than 20 percent of the population and falling. So they'll pull the "Well ,,,, MAYBE we'll stay if you give us more seats than our population deserves...." I don't think that's going to fly but the very fact its' in our face again shows how badly trudeau has taken a great country and screwed it back up after others fixed it.
It would seem that in Canada, we don't get along.
It’s always about money and freedom of opportunity. Canada is losing its once very strong brand because our Liberal-NDP federal government can’t help but overreach into every area of people’s lives and every political jurisdiction. The question Canadians are rightly asking is, What’s the upside? Our military and federal bureaucracies such as Passports and Immigration are dysfunctional. Taxes are rising, wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising, and freedom of speech is weakening. The promises of the budget balancing itself and $10 a day daycare for all are falling flat as government and debt balloon out of all proportion, even as the feds continue to borrow money to make more announcements for programs we can’t afford.
No one is fooled. In this climate, of course provinces will talk independence. The Canadian model isn’t looking great right now. The 5 year federal term limit is simply too long in Canada. Everyone knows that the NDP will prop up this government no matter how bad it is in order to hold onto seats. Everyone knows the debt hole is growing fast and Canada is a slow moving inefficient machine right now. Other than safety from gun violence and better public K-12 education (perhaps no longer given the mandated woke anti-Canada and pro-LGBTQ indoctrination), why would anyone choose Canada over the US?
We’ve lost so much in eight years.
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2 minutes ago, herbie said:
Yes I'm one of those "entitled" that actually believes I deserve a pension. Wring your hands, I don't have to work and you have to pay. Such injustice! [/s]
Nothing wrong with a pension. We need them.
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49 minutes ago, herbie said:
So your solution is to force poorer nations to go further into poverty because they are the bulk of the problem while we, a nation that can do nothing because you don't want to pay and we're less a part of the cause.
Once again by invoking "wealth redistribution" as some sort of Satanic Bogeyman,At least be honest: You’re on the receiving end of free stuff in this redistribution scheme. Of course you want more of it. What will you do when the smart money leaves and the handouts stop?
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1 hour ago, eyeball said:
So its working.
Soon you'll invest in a EV and then you'll be crying more loudly about pronouns or land claims or something woke. There'll always be something.
What a “Let them eat cake” attitude. The lowest end EV’s start at around $50,000, and those ones have lousy ranges that make anything more than short commuting impractical in our cold climate where batteries quickly lose their charges. Who cares, right? Poor and low middle income people can eat shit so you can lie to yourself that you’re saving the planet. Again, if you care so much about fighting climate change, you can donate to the cause.
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2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:
How can you say that this tax, adding pennies, is the cause of homelessness? It defies the imagination.
Are housing problems started in earnest 5 to 10 years ago when rents started spiking.
Pennies? It’s several dollars a fill-up. It significant.
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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:
Your fear of starvation isn't rational. You don't understand the economy.
It’s just not something you have to worry about. Many other people do worry.
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The whole experience was intrusive and damaging in ways we can’t fully comprehend, and that’s apart from the impact of the virus itself, which for much of the pandemic had flu-like mortality rates. Basically our society was under a kind of mass hysteria that damaged our democracy and social cohesion in significant ways. The learning gaps, mental health damage, substance abuse, breakup of families, loss of businesses, and non-Covid increased death rate are a terrible legacy.
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Hopefully Canada leaves the Paris Agreement and drops these targets and economy-killing carbon taxes. I’m not hopeful for Canada. Our leftists are dumber than the US Democrats who wouldn’t dare to impose carbon taxes on Americans.
And before the posters pile on about Canada’s supposed responsibilities, remember that our emissions are rising along with our mass immigration under this profligate government, as China adds new coal plants with regularity. Do you really want to get rid of every last bit of industry and resource development in Canada? Do you really want to destroy our living standards?
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On 4/8/2024 at 2:38 PM, herbie said:
Just how bloody thick are you?
It hasn't been doled out, it has been announced as something in the upcoming budget. THEN it gets debated and voted on and if it fails to pass it causes an election as it's a confidence issue.
The exact opposite of a dictatorship.
The Liberals and NDP will always vote together in favour of this government until their 18 month limit runs out, because they know that the next election is the end for both parties. Every additional day that these communists reap havoc is another day of growth in public anger towards this government. I hope it plays out in the election. You never know these days.
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On 4/4/2024 at 3:55 PM, blackbird said:
More evidence Chinada is going Globalist, Marxist in its support of the U.N. Sustainable Development Goals.
"The 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development, adopted by all United Nations Member States in 2015, provides a shared blueprint for peace and prosperity for people and the planet, now and into the future. At its heart are the 17 Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs), which are an urgent call for action by all countries - developed and developing - in a global partnership. They recognize that ending poverty and other deprivations must go hand-in-hand with strategies that improve health and education, reduce inequality, and spur economic growth – all while tackling climate change and working to preserve our oceans and forests."
THE 17 GOALS | Sustainable Development (un.org)
As part of this, Chinada gave 4 billion dollars to the middle east in a few years recently.
You’re figuring out what’s going on. It’s sad for Canada and hard for many Canadians to accept. Canada is simply far too vulnerable to international influences and China in particular. We need a much less naive government. I wonder how much the Liberals knew and how much they welcomed the interference.
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3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:
io: take your brain here for a second...
Think back to Nov 2019, before you ever heard the word covid.
Your mind is a blank slate...
On the very first day of that month in Nov 2019, and even before that, Fauci already knew that he had funded research on a coronavirus, to make it more transmissible among humans, at the Wuhan BSL4 lab.
Then when covid broke out, he stood there in front of the camera, talking to every American you know, every American you don't know, and everyone who died of covid, and said "The virus came from a wetmarket, where a bat and an intermediary species, like a pangolin for instance, were in close proximity..."
Where I come from, that's called a FOG KING CONFLICT OF INTEREST. It's also a fabrication.
If you grab a globe, that spinning replica of the earth we all had in our classroom at school, from your office and poke it with a pin, the Wuhan BSL4 lab and the wetmarket will both fit in the hole it makes. That's how close they are. Poke it as lightly as you want, they'll still both fit. But somehow Fauci just knew that his virus wasn't the one that's infecting everyone, and people were banned from social media for even saying "BSL4". Uh-huh.
Last I heard, his virus was still the most likely culprit., and that's from the FBI, the most leftist of all organizations in America.
Anyone who is a critical thinker and reasonably intelligent knows that much happened in the pandemic response that should not have. Early on governments had the excuse of trying to be prudent and protecting populations through measures like social distancing and perhaps even masking. Once the vaccines became available, the excuse for lockdowns disappeared, but really lockdowns should’ve been questioned and the freedom of movement preserved throughout the pandemic.
Mandating vaccination with a new untested vaccine was wrong. Requiring vaccine passports for travel, work, and even use of private services was a massive violation of constitutional rights that was unnecessary. Pushing vaccines for young people and subjecting them to mandatory schooling from home was bad. Accommodation’s could’ve been made for immune compromised teachers, children, and workers who needed to keep a safe distance from people.
The efficacy of the vaccines was proven to be low later on and they became unnecessary for most people by the time omicron rolled around. There’s no justification for mandatory vaccination at that stage, but really they never should’ve been mandatory.
It’s highly likely that C-19 originated in a lab doing gain of function research. Foolishly and irresponsibly, our governments were allowing such research to take place with foreign adversaries. It’s obvious that governments are leaning on the excuse of national security to redact or hide what happened from citizens, though the threat to national security was the research and existence of the labs and partnerships with foreign researchers.
I think that the reality is probably worse than what I said above. Nevertheless, populations were berated with fear mongering propaganda constantly. Many people including many posters on here are in denial of what happened and they will likely remain so. It’s simply too painful to admit and people want to believe what they are told.
I say all of this as someone who is triple vaccinated and believed most of what I heard from media, even when much of it was scripted and the science on treatments was somewhat inconclusive. So much suppression of speech took place. The unfair maligning of invermectin is just one example of a false narrative being elevated by agencies to the level of official truth.
We should all be very concerned about ceding more authority to the WHO. We should also put tremendous pressure on governments to explain what happened at our biolabs, to make sure that liberties can’t be removed again, and to ensure that unaccountable organizations and international bodies aren’t imposing policies on Canadians.
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85.7% of Covid Deaths in Canada Were Among the Multi-Vaxed from Aug to Sept of 2022. Jabbing 85% of the Population Didn't Reduce Deaths
in Federal Politics in Canada
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Yes. The measures seemed like a great test of just how far governments could go to control human behaviour on a mass scale. That aspect of the pandemic was more worrying to me than getting Covid. I always knew that it had to go through the population and the vulnerable had to be extra cautious. The vaccines provided hope and extra protection, but that protection proved to be minor later in the pandemic, and there were side effects for some people. We didn’t know the long term effects.