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1 hour ago, Nationalist said:
I don't disagree with you for the most part. Civilization could probably not exist without what is known as The Social Contract. A public acquiesce to taxation for things like police, roads, stuff. This is socialism used well.
What China does is a dictatorship. Never a good thing. But it takes a human to impose that dictatorship. To inflict the evil.
Balance is the "sweet spot".
I think we agree on that. I look at police, roads, fire protection as basic public services, not Socialism.
Just one of the serious problems arising out of our Socialist public health care system in B.C. is that it was reported today that 900,000 people in B.C. do not have their own family doctor. The Socialist NDP solution is to build clinics where mass health care can be provided. This would provide second class care, not the kind of care people would get with their own family doctor who knows their health conditions and problems and is dedicated to his patients. Socialist politicians don't worry about things like that. They just want to mass produce inferior services because there would never be enough money to provide first class services in the Socialist system. A large part of the money has to go to the huge bureaucracy to run it. B.C. is facing contract demands in a few months for 300,000 public servants whose contracts are up for renewal and they want 5% to cover inflation. This will cost billions more. The money is just not there. This on top of everything else like millions for the RCMP for retroactive pay, and massive housing shortages, etc.
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1 hour ago, Nationalist said:
Huh...Your problem is the way you read and understand that book of yours. That and your assumption that I have no moral compass. What a silly comment.
We live in a political and economic structure that gives both the political left and the political right equal say in matters. It has been noted, over time, that this is not only inevitable, but when properly balanced produces the optimum results. That's called "compromise". You should try it.
I'm sure the Communist parties in Russia and China all reach agreement to do all the evil things they do too. Compromise among a gang of thieves doesn't make it right. Right and wrong is not determined by a so-called "compromise" between crooked politicians, Communists, thieves or anyone else. You have no right to other people's property simply because you think they have more than you or you need something that you think they don't need. However Socialists think they are not bound by any kind of moral laws. They think they can do whatever they wish. They think, after all, it's for the "common good". Rob Peter to pay Paul. It's all ok with them. That's the same reasoning we have abortion on demand which is the killing of the innocent and medical assistance in dying, which again is killing of people based on some kind belief that what a Supreme Court says must be morally correct. It is simply moral bankruptcy.
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On 4/5/2022 at 7:32 AM, Nationalist said:
Good grief...
Socialism is no more or less "evil" than Capitalism...and that's...NONE.
Neither are "evil". People can be "evil" but theoretical social governance cannot.
Your problem is not socialism nor Capitalism.
Your problem is with the leaders of said methodology.
Your problem is you have no moral compass. Socialism is simple stealing. I would suggest you consider going out and buying a King James Bible and reading it or read it online. Nobody has the right to confiscate someone else's property and redistribute the wealth. That's called Communism, Marxism, or Socialism depending on a variety of related factors.
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3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:
1. What if I told you I am fine with it ?
2. I don't.
I decided to stop reading your post at that pointI said quite a while ago we are wasting our time trying to talk to these birds. They are totally blind to reality. Like talking to a brick wall.
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1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:
It was the Christian churches that abused and neglected indigenous children.
The only churches who ran the residential schools were the Roman Catholic church (about 60%), the Anglican, the United, and the Presbyterian to a lesser extent. The rest of churches, such as Baptists, Community churches, Evangelical churches, etc. and the cults had nothing to do with residential schools. The Roman church is not a "Christian" church. It was formed from Nimrod's Babylonian religion back in the early centuries. Read this article and watch the video:
The Babylonian Roman Catholic Church – Hear the trumpets
If you seek the truth with all your heart in the King James Bible, you will know the truth and the truth shall set you free.
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Frank Stronach, founder of one of Canada’s largest global companies, says the country is “fairly close” to a public debt crisis and Canadians need to force politicians to rein in spending. Canada may be heading for bankruptcy as happened to Greece a number of years ago.
The NDP and Liberals don't seem concerned and the NDP is pushing and signed a deal with the Liberals that could increase spending by tens of billions of dollars. Canada's debt is increasing by 400 million per day according to this article. When the country is spending more money than it receives in revenue, there is the potential for bankruptcy. Stronach says we are fairly close to bankruptcy.
So how do Canadians force government to reign in this potential debt crisis? I don't see any way that Canadians can stop the governing party from it's present course.
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22 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:
Every church is apostate and false to another church. As I pointed out, we have been worshiping God for over a hundred thousand years. (I have no desire to question anyone's faith. I am putting forth my own view.)
I don't think anyone has addressed the question, was Stanley Knowles evil?
What are the immoral laws that the "socialists" put through.
Why use an American site to argue against democratic socialism? Just for the record, Canada has never had a socialist federal government.
First of all, I am not going to say Stanley Knowles was evil. That is not my job. He was a long-serving and famous politician in Canada highly respected by many Canadians, much like Tommy Douglas and others.
This is what the Canadian Encyclopedia says about Stanley Knowles.
"Born in the US of Nova Scotian/New Brunswick parentage, Knowles had a profoundly religious upbringing in the SOCIAL GOSPEL tradition of the Methodist Church. He never forgot his mother's death from tuberculosis in 1919 or his father's firing from a machinist's job in 1932; both incidents marked his choice for theological studies at United College, Winnipeg, and then for political action via the CO-OPERATIVE COMMONWEALTH FEDERATION in 1935. He had to change laws rather than souls."
" for almost 40 years he badgered successive governments into enlarging Canada's nascent WELFARE STATE. "
So we can understand why he believed in making Canada a welfare state. This is what he was thoroughly indoctrinated in by the false ideology of the social gospel taught in the Methodist Church in those days. He badgered the government for decades to make Canada a welfare state. Or a Socialist state in common terms. This is much the same as Tommy Douglas who was a minister as well. It is ironic that these men came from social gospel churches and now their party is the most anti-Bible party in existence as they support same-sex marriage and abortion more strongly than any other party.
These ideas were the centre of the CCF party which he belonged to and later became the centre platform of the NDP. Today the Liberal party is shifting more and more toward the ideology of a welfare state. We can see how it originated from the false gospel or social gospel of certain denominations and today from the Pope as well.
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4 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:
The same can be said if the dissenter heresy. (Evangelicals, Methodists, Baptists etc.) By definition, the One True Faith is the only Christian church. It goes by other names, such as Church of England, Anglican, but it is the Church that is the only One True Faith...or not.
There is no one true faith. Humans, both Homo Sapien and Homo Sapien Neadertalis, demonstrated a belief in God and an after life. Perhaps the Denisovans did as well but there is insufficient data to know. Faith in God has been with us for hundreds of thousands of years. Everyone of them believed they were practicing the One True Faith.
There is a radical difference between socialism and marxism / Communism.
Was Stanley Knowles evil? F.R. Scott? Jack Layton? J.S. Woodsworth? W.A.C. Bennett?
Why do you keep refering to Americans like Sanders? The United States is a great country but they have the most inept politicians in the western world. (Sorry Bush-Cheney. We love you and if you were President, the world would be a better place)
I would assume every denomination thinks they have the "one true faith". Certainly the Catholic Church has always believed they have it. But that was why the Reformation took place five hundred years ago. It was a return to the Bible and biblical truth or the one true faith. No church has it perfectly because mankind is not perfect. But there are some churches that believe closer to what the Bible teaches than others. The Catholic church is not one of them. Therefore those that support it and follow it's belief system are in error. Socialism is one of the serious errors of some apostate and false churches.
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1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:
Since dental health and proper pharmesutical treatment are important to good health, and many low income people cannot afford dental treatment and pharmesutical intervention, the savings to the healthcare system will more than compensate for the costs of these two programs.
I submit that helping avoid worse health outcomes is not evil.
1)Materialism is not a product of socialism anymore than capitalism. It is hardwired into the brain like compassion.
2)Most people who are in low income situations in Canada are in that position due to illness, incapacity or marriage breakdown. There are also periods of high unemployment where people find themselves unable to find work.
3)I've lived in both BC and Saskatchewan most of my life under NDP, PC's and Social Credit (now called Reform). The only one that didn't respect private property was Social Credit. No Conservative or New Democrat tried to take away my property. The American author is incorrect.
4)She confuses marxism with democratic socialism. They are very different.
5) This is a stretch. I don't think socialism had anything to do with the fact that several friends of mine were finally alled to get married when the law changed. The American author would rather have a traditional marriage- that is the union between a man and a womans estate and status after he bought her from her father.
You are free to donate and help low income people all you want. That's a good thing to do.
But you don't have the right to help yourself to other's money to do it. That's stealing. That's what the liberal left think they can do without any limits. The belief of liberals may partly come from the Socialist side of the Catholic church or apostate churches that think government should be some kind of social service agency for everyone (Socialism). Passing a law doesn't make something moral as you seem to think. Hitler passed lots of laws or issued orders-in-council. So did Stalin and Chairman Mao. That doesn't make things moral. Some Catholic priests in central America and south America were supporters of Communism decades ago. They were known as liberation theologians. Our present Liberals and NDP seem to think there is nothing they cannot do and if they wish to do it, they think it must be moral.
Socialism is only one characteristic of this Liberal - NDP government. It also considers itself as liberal - progressive which is why it passes immoral laws which I already mentioned.
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1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:
Ha! Sounds like the same whining the Liberals used when Ford won in Ontario. Bottom line is enough Canadians in the right places voted for Justin and Jagmeet.
So yes, Canadians voted for them and the programs they were selling at the time...which are the same ones that are proposed now.
No the Liberals did not promise a Dental Care program, or a Pharmacare Program in the last election. The NDP might have but nobody expected them to form government. Most Canadians did not vote for new Socialist programs. Most Canadians did not vote for a majority government. Nobody told Canadians how much all this is going to cost either. Is is presumption to say Canadians are willing to pay for all these things.
Here's what Trudeau's Liberals have promised for their third term | CTV News
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6 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:
The Jesuits are Christians just like you. Isn't a Christian educational institute a good thing?
quote Like Bernie Sanders, the pope is a socialist. He has had many unkind words about capitalism (“the dung of the devil”), but no corresponding criticism of socialism. Like Sanders, his ideas about economics were shaped by Marxist thinkers and activists. unquote
www.crisismagazine.com/2019/pope-franciss-socialist-agenda
Trudeau and company are Catholics and therefore follow the Socialist agenda of the Vatican. This is why they send Canadian's taxpayer money around the world as part of their agenda. This has nothing to do with charity. Taxpayers have no choice. It is all politics of liberal elites who believe in multilateralism and working for the U.N. Marxist agenda. It also helps set them up for a future position after they retire from electoral politics and seek a good job in the U.N. like Bob Rae received. John McCallum became an ambassador to China until he was removed for being too China friendly? They also combine their beliefs with evil progressivism and send money to support abortion in third world countries.
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54 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:
The Jesuits are Christians just like you. Isn't a Christian educational institute a good thing?
No, they are not. Their educational institutions are not Christian. Far from it. Read the Jesuit Oath and their Extreme Oath. The Jesuit Oath (truthontheweb.org)
Read:
ROMAN CATHOLICISM EXPOSED (jesus-is-savior.com)
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58 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:
We voted for these programs last election. They were on the platforms and plans of both Liberal and NDP.
No sense whining now, we voted them in and looks like we will have them until 2025. By then, Canadians will have forgotten all this and will vote Liberal again because the Conservatives will have shot themselves in the foot again.
No, Canadians did not vote for these programs. Only a minority voted for Liberals and NDP.
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On 3/23/2022 at 5:28 AM, dialamah said:
In which case, government is the most Christian of all, as they ensure the rich(er) give to the poor.
The morally bankrupt government we have takes by force the money from those that produce something and gives it away around the world as well as spends it on every imaginable cause as well as spends it in vote potential ridings. They must have learned this from their Jesuit masters who started some of the educational institutes that some of them attended. One of the problems with democracy is that votes must be earned and money buys votes.
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We do live in a kind of Liberal-NDP dictatorship. When did Canadians vote for these expensive, multi billion dollar, social programs being pushed by the NDP and supported now by the Liberals? When were these programs put before the voters as campaign promises in the last election? Only about 30 or 33% of voters supported the Liberals, and about half that supported the NDP. Yet here we are with these parties planning to implement these expensive social (ist) programs. This is not democracy. Trudeau loves to talk about democracy as if he really believes that it exists. Of course what we have is far preferable to Communism. But claiming we are a pure democracy is a stretch. I would say we are somewhere in between democracy and dictatorship by the liberal oligarchy, which is a liberal Borg run from the Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal elites. A minority government should never be trying to bring in major new spending programs without the overwhelming will of the people. There is also the Biblical principle of not stealing from taxpayers and respecting private property that should not be ignored.
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3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:
Well... the left is on the bring of achieving dental care and pharmacare programs for the poor in Canada.
Does that seem like 'destroying people's morality' as you put it ?
Or does it seem like ... you know ... caring for the poor ?
WWJD ?Entitlement on the backs of the producers and taxpayers is now a big thing in Canada and promoted by the liberals and left. Yes, it is a form of stealing and Marxism. NDP: " make the rich pay their fair share". Actually it will be everyone who pays but they don't tell you that. Meanwhile, investors who create jobs and wealth will go elsewhere and Canada will sink further into debt.
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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:
Jesus said that tithing 'must' be done. Matthew 23:23
There's no volunteering except for by Christians of convenience.
Help the poor. Love the sinner.
" 23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone." Matthew 23:23 KJV
Explanation:
Quote Matthew 23:23
"Judgment, mercy, and faith" can be paraphrased to make them easier to understand. Judgment means "being fair and even-handed in judgment." Mercy means "being compassionate and kind in action," and faith means "being loyal to God "in keeping His law." Justice is a more accurate, modern translation of "judgment," and "faith" might be better rendered faithfulness or trust. Thus, Jesus is speaking about justice, compassion, and faithfulness (or loyalty).
Jesus applied these concepts in confronting the Pharisees because they had reached a tragically wrong conclusion regarding the intent of God's laws.
Weightier means "more important," "central," or "more decisive" as compared to what is peripheral or secondary. Thus, the intent of God's law is to produce justice, compassion and kindness, and loyalty to God. Of course, the major thing that will be produced is a right relationship with God and men, and character will be built.
The Pharisees were guilty of a massive distortion of God's will, or what could even be called God's pleasure, and in their zeal to be absolutely correct, they corrupted those they were leading. Their problem was their attitude toward law, one opposite from most people's. Most people tend to become looser and more liberal in their application of law, but for some strange reason, the Pharisees corrupted the law in the complete other direction. God felt it necessary to correct this corruption so that we would understand that it is equally perverse.
John W. Ritenbaugh Unquote
Matthew 23:23 (KJV) - Forerunner Commentary (bibletools.org)
It should be obvious to anyone this has nothing to do with Socialism. This verse is speaking about individual justice, compassion and kindness as qualities that are essential. Socialism has none of those qualities. Socialism takes by force income from it's citizens to redistribute in various ways to others. Plus it requires a huge bureaucracy to administer which cost a large amount of the tax revenue. Important services such as health care, dental care, and pharmacare can still be provided and available by private industry. There is nothing that say it must be provided by Socialism or government. That is what is missing in this discussion. People assume if government doesn't provide services through Socialism, they will be deprived of something. That is false. Private enterprise can still provide those services as it has. Government run (public) health care has been found wanting in many ways. A million Canadians do not even have their own doctor. There are long waiting lists for some services. During the pandemic, thousands of people with urgent health needs have been put on hold and denied health care in the public (Socialized) system.
In B.C. we have a crown corporation called I.C.B.C. (Insurance Corporation of B.C.) which provides the highest cost auto insurance in north America. No private insurance company is allowed to provide auto insurance. They have a monopoly by government decree. I believe Quebec was paying something like half the amount for auto insurance premiums. ICBC recently reduced the price somewhat although likely by not much. We will see. We have been ripped off for years by the high cost of crown corporations.
If you are going to quote the Bible, at least find some passages that have something to do with Socialism. That one had nothing to do with it. Socialism has nothing to do with individual charity, compassion or kindness.
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2 hours ago, Moonbox said:
Taxes = stealing okay. Got it. Things are so simple when you can just reduce them down to absurdity. Such a comfy place for you, I bet.
That is a gross misrepresentation of the facts. It all depends on what the purpose of the taxes is and how the money is planned to be spent. If it is to redistribute the wealth then that is Marxism or Socialism and is evil. It's like stealing other people's property to equalize the wealth. It is criminal. Some taxes are necessary for essential services like roads, fire department and police department. Nobody would disagree with that. There is no other way to live in a civilized society without basic essential services. But when it becomes ideologically Socialism for the purpose of providing everything to everyone, such as the taxpayers paying for housing, health care, pharmacare, dental care for everyone, whether they want to work or not, then is becomes stealing. There is a line that should not be crossed. The Bible says if a man will not work let him not eat. That's an important principle. Why should anyone work or improve their skills and education if the state is going to provide everything. Get off your lazy ass and get a job.
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1 hour ago, dialamah said:
And here I thought the Old Testament no longer applied because Jesus. So if the OT still applies, why don't we have slaves, multiple wives/concubines and eat pork?
Many places in the bible advocate helping the needy and poor; why would Jesus differentiate between individuals and leaders?
There are certain principles which apply forever, such as the right to private property and stealing.
You know as well as I do that stealing is wrong.
Advocating helping the poor is referring to voluntary charity by individuals who agree to donate, not state-mandated confiscation of private property and earnings to spread around. If you see something your neighbour has and you don't have, do you think it's your right to help yourself to it?
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On 3/23/2022 at 7:01 AM, Queenmandy85 said:
Where does the Bible ordain the right to private property?
"17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s. " Exodus 20:17 KJV
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On 3/22/2022 at 9:02 PM, Queenmandy85 said:
First, the article is American.
Secondly, it contradicts itself by saying socialism promotes materialism, yet it defends the accumulation of wealth. It is said in the Bible that it is harder for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven than for a camel to walk through the eye of a needle.
Finally, the NDP are basically the political arm of the Christian Church in Canada. Tommy Douglas, Stanley Knowles, Ben Smiley, Peter Prebble, Fr. Bob Ogle to name a few of the clergy who have been prominent in the NDP.
The Bible never authorizes or supports Socialism as those people did. That is a false interpretation of the Bible. Stealing is condemned in the Bible and the right to private property is sacred. Government does not have the right to take people's property or money by force to redistribute to others. The people who came out of those kind of churches were heretics. They preached social gospels and use politics to further their demonic agenda of Socialism. They totally misinterpreted the Bible as some kind of social gospel. They support Socialism, and things totally contrary to the Bible. They preach evil progressivism and Socialism under the guise of the gospel. They never mention it is stealing and contrary to the Bible.
These are exactly the same kind politicians in left wing parties that support same-sex marriage, LGBTQ, doctor-assisted dying, abortion and attack Bible-believing Christianity.
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On 3/22/2022 at 6:56 PM, dialamah said:
Well, that's socialism. Taxes are collected and is used to give people free stuff when it's needed. That your particular brand of Christianity doesn't believe in helping the less fortunate says a lot about the loving-kindness of the God you worship. I personally prefer the Christian God who teaches his people to help those less fortunate, not judge them as less deserving because they're poor.
God said "thou shalt not steal" and ordained the right to own private property. Therefore government stealing people's property to give to others is not "charity" or "helping the less fortunate". It is Communist, Socialist, or Marxist ideology. The Bible teaches personal charity done voluntarily. That is not the same as Socialism where government steals property or money from people to give to others, which you seem to approve of.
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1 hour ago, dialamah said:
Did you pay for the vaccine you got?
Of course not. We are paying for it through our taxes I'm sure. I don't think individual Americans paid for it either. So government pays for it out of tax revenue. That makes sense if you want everyone to get vaccinated. But that is not exactly the same as Socialism. We also need streets, sidewalks, fire department, etc.. Just basic public services. All capitalist countries have those basic public infrastructure and services like police and fire departments. I wouldn't call that Socialism.
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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:
When is Sweden's Stalin due to arrive?
"For years, I've heard American leftists say Sweden is proof that socialism works, that it doesn't have to turn out as badly as the Soviet Union or Cuba or Venezuela did.
But that's not what Swedish historian Johan Norberg says in a new documentary and Stossel TV video.
"Sweden is not socialist—because the government doesn't own the means of production. To see that, you have to go to Venezuela or Cuba or North Korea," says Norberg.
"We did have a period in the 1970s and 1980s when we had something that resembled socialism: a big government that taxed and spent heavily. And that's the period in Swedish history when our economy was going south."
Per capita GDP fell. Sweden's growth fell behind other countries. Inflation increased.
Even socialistic Swedes complained about the high taxes.
Astrid Lindgren, author of the popular Pippi Longstocking children's books, discovered that she was losing money by being popular. She had to pay a tax of 102 percent on any new book she sold.
"She wrote this angry essay about a witch who was mean and vicious—but not as vicious as the Swedish tax authorities," says Norberg.
Yet even those high taxes did not bring in enough money to fund Sweden's big welfare state.
"People couldn't get the pension that they thought they depended on for the future," recounts Norberg. "At that point the Swedish population just said, enough, we can't do this."
Sweden then reduced government's role.
They cut public spending, privatized the national rail network, abolished certain government monopolies, eliminated inheritance taxes, and sold state-owned businesses like the maker of Absolut vodka.
They also reduced pension promises "so that it wasn't as unsustainable," adds Norberg.
As a result, says Norberg, his "impoverished peasant nation developed into one of the world's richest countries."
He acknowledges that Sweden, in some areas, has a big government: "We do have a bigger welfare state than the U.S., higher taxes than the U.S., but in other areas, when it comes to free markets, when it comes to competition, when it comes to free trade, Sweden is actually more free market."
Sweden Isn't Socialist (reason.com)
It is obvious the bigger the welfare state (as the NDP wants), the more taxes everyone must pay. There is no free lunch.
2022 Federal budget
in Federal Politics in Canada
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The 2022 budget proves once again that Socialist systems get an F for failure. Socialist systems want everything but they fund nothing adequately. An example is the public health care system. The provincial and federal governments do not provide adequate funding for the health care system because to provide proper care for everyone would require a vast amount of funding. So we have 900,000 people in B.C. who do not have their own doctor. The system provides a degree of health care for everyone, but it is inadequate for many who need health care. The majority think it is adequate but that is only because most of them are in the younger age bracket and do not yet require health care. Many people who require health care start to learn the deficiencies of the system. It is the same with the public insurance system in B.C. B.C. pays the highest auto insurance rates in north America. They have been over-charging us for years and the last year or so have been giving rebates because they have been caught with their hands in the till to often. But that's Socialism. Inefficient, wasteful and expensive. But it keeps a lot of bureaucrats employed to run it who have all the job security, benefits, and pensions that many other people do not have.