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  1. 5 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

    Nice try.

    The Roman church is what now is roman catholic and if you are saying it is descendant form babylonian pagan beliefs then all christianity is.

    One thing that is often missed in this discussion is the disparity amongst christians. there are so many sects within "christianity" (beyond the 4 major ones, let alone the denominations within those) that conflict with each other over what is supposed to be the same book (scripture?) that some will let a child die instead of getting medical treatment.  Then, of course, are the cults of christianity. Those that also claim to be the righteous path, even to the point of mass suicide.

    And I do not even want to get into the TV evangelists that are trying to recruit folks to Christianity. Multu multi millionaires riding the backs of the converted in the name of Jesus and God.

    There are so many books interpreting the one book that you can choose which one will fit your narrative and always claim you are christian according to xx book or xy book.

    When a person is "converted" to a religion, any religion they become "the child of XX by adoption".

    Point here is that religion can be good, bad or indifferent depending  on what you have been convinced to believe..

    Most of what you point out are true.  There are thousands of different denominations.  But one thing you have to remember is many of these different denominations do hold to certain fundamental beliefs that they agree on.  

    There are certain basic beliefs that many denominations agree on.  Also, belief is to a large extent an individual thing meaning each person is accountable for his personal beliefs.  Individuals cannot control what large groups or denominations believe.  But if the denomination is in serious error, at some point the individual should leave it and not continue supporting it.

    Down through history there have been small groups or individuals who rejected much of the false teachings of Romanism.  These groups of Christians were genuine Bible believers because they placed the basic Bible teachings above man-made doctrines as in Romanism.  During the middle ages many of them were declared to be heretics and tortured or killed by Rome.  Rome ran the Holy Roman Inquisition for four hundred years to try to rid the world of all heretics.  At least the Reformation led to freedom of religion and defeated the tyranny of Rome ruling the world and imposing it's false system on every individual in society.  There was a long period in history when the clergy or priests controlled every individual in their diocese and even to the extent that everything a person did came under their authority.  This is hard to believe and most people do not know this.  But it is true.  Corruption was rampant and if you were not in the privileged class, you were just a slave and the church controlled every inch of your life.  That was true tyranny.  Kind of similar to Communist countries like N. Korea or China.

    If you wish to learn more about the history of the Roman church, you can buy the kindle book from Amazon and read parts of it.  It is the History of the Holy Roman Inquisition which lasted for centuries.  There are many other books that also describe the history of the Roman church that most people do not know about and many will not believe even if told by books.

    Yes, there are and have been cults that did bizarre things and at least one cult that would refuse certain medical treatment for themselves and their children.   

    The point is the world is an evil place as I explained.  Man is a fallen being with an evil, corrupt nature because of the rebellion and fall of our first parents, Adam and Eve.  On top of that the Devil (Satan) is a real person who has certain powers over this world for the time being.  Those are the reasons we have evil in the world, crime, wars, false religious systems etc. for the time being.

    But the Bible is the final authority on what is true and what is false because it is God's revelation to man.  I believe the KJ Bible is 100% accurate revelation of God's word in the English language.  Everyone has to decide for themselves what they believe because God has given man free will.  He did not choose to create robots.  He created humans with a brain and gave certain commands and a conscience.  It is up to man to use his brain and conscience correctly.

  2. 1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

    I don't believe bible ever said anything about Christians receiving new bodies. In addition even among Christians there are many who don't believe in Christ as a God but messenger and my belief is closer to that.

    The truth is religions have been used to cause suffering in the world. Whether the religion itself causing the misery or it is the followers who do all these is debatable. Right now as we speak parts of the world followers of a certain religion causing discriminations against half the population, the women. Encouraging hate and terrorism and causing significant suffering on population.

    This website explains it with references to the Bible.  I would use the KJ Bible to look up any references.

    Do We Receive Our Resurrection Bodies When We Die, or at the End of the Age? | Desiring God

    "The Bible makes it clear that those who belong to Christ will receive their new bodies at Christ’s return (1 Cor 15:23)(1 Th 4:16). The bodies of those in Christ who have died will be resurrected and glorified first, and “then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds” (1 Th 4:17), at which time we will receive our glorified bodies."

    When will we receive our new glorified bodies? - JesusAlive.cc

    But it should be understood for a person to born again he must believe Jesus Christ is God and not just a messenger.  Salvation depends on believing Jesus is God and that he died and shed his blood for one's own sins.  One must receive and believe on him as one's personal Savior and Lord.  That will guarantee eternal life and a resurrected body in the future.

    Yes, there are religions which lead to discrimination and suffering in the world.  The Bible teaches the opposite.  There are many bible believers doing good in their lives and the world and contributing to various charitable causes to help people.  The Bible forbids hate and encourages believers to love thy neighbour and help those in need.

  3. 10 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

    See if you were born in India it would have been very likely that you would have believed strongly in reincarnation. You believe in Christianity so strongly because you were born in the West or Christian family. As I said earlier religion is like geography.

    You think reincarnation is the be all and end all, but in fact Christians who die will at some point receive new bodies and will live forever with Christ  who is God.

  4. 2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

    Constantine expanded the roman empire on faith and Christianity . The crusades started by a pope. The inquisitions declared war against all non believers. Holy wars throughout history in the name of christ.

    Christians are not  necessarily warlike but, they certainly have had their wars against non believers throughout history.

    Having said that, other religions also had their reasons for doing away with non believers too.

    Yes, land and empires in history were reasons for war but in history, it was also with strong relations with religion. In the 20th century and onwards wars have become political more than religious (with the few lingering exceptions).

    Yes, there is a lot of truth in that, I would agree.  But the point I was making is those who were believing and following the Bible did not start the wars.  The Bible teaches peace.  Again people have a right to defend themselves.  There is doubt about Constantine's Christianity or beliefs.  The Roman church was kind of a descendent of the Babylonian pagan religion and is a false church and not a follower of the Bible through history.  So their crusades and inquisition against heretics were in opposition to the what the Bible teaches.   So in conclusion, your point about religion being one of the causes of wars does not negate the truth of the bible and is not an argument against biblical Christianity.   Claiming wars were associated with some religions will not excuse one from believing the Bible.  

    One thing that is often missed in this discussion is the fact that when a person becomes a believer, they are transformed into a child of God by adoption.  They receive a new nature.  They become new creatures in Christ.  This means God looks upon them as one of his own children or sons or daughters.  The benefits that flow from this are infinite and priceless.  The Holy Spirit of God indwells every believer.  This has profound meaning and implications.  The world becomes a different place.  They become a part of God's family and have an eternity to look forward to with God.  The physical body may die and disappear but the soul and spirit live forever with Christ who is God.

  5. 21 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

    One side.

    Wars are caused and fought in the name of religion.  Catholic vs protestant....both christian even.

    Jews vs muslims.

    Christians vs non christians all over the world.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence

    Arguing with a non religious person is nonsensical.

     

     

    I said wars are fought over religion, but also for other reasons.  But people who are being attacked as the Ukrainians are have a right to defend themselves.  Some religions are warlike in nature.  Bible-believers are not taught to start wars. There have been a lot of wars fought over politics or building empires such as the world empires in the past, the Roman Empire for example, the Persian Empire, Alexander the Great, the Nazis, the Communist revolutions.  These had nothing to do with religion.

  6. 2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

    That is very much for all religion.

    Buddism is much much older than Christianity, As is Judaism and both are subservient in time to Zoroastrianism. Which one is right? Or Better? Or truer?

    What makes the St James book empirical beside personal belief? Christianity is the only one that seems to try extremely hard to convince others of it's truth and tries as hard to convert. Why? Do you get something like loyalty points for doing that?

    I won't argue for or against as I am not religious. Religion caused too many wars

    What makes the King James Bible empirical or different than other books or religious statement from other religions?  What is the difference between the KJB teachings on Christianity and Buddhism for example?

    That is a fair question.  The answer is in what the KJBible says.

    quote Because of this, the Scriptures are effective in teaching spiritual truth about God, about morals, about salvation, and about our future hope. The Scriptures are capable of rebuking those who are not obeying its commands. The Scriptures also provide correction. They answer the question, How can a person who is not doing the will of God correct his life and make it correspond to the will of God? They also provide training, or schooling, in righteous living as well as teach all the truth about God, His righteousness, His justification, and the righteousness that He can provide for a Christian. The end result is that the man of God as he studies the Bible will be equipped thoroughly, as the Scripture states, for every good work into which God leads him.   Unquote  the whole article is at this website:

    3. Why Believe the Bible? | Bible.org

    Wars are not caused by correct Biblical understanding and following.  Wars are caused by the fallen, corrupt, evil human nature.  Wars are sometimes caused by wars between different religious groups but that is not the fault of the Bible teachings.  Jesus never said force or wars should be used to spread his message or gospel.  But there are or have been hundred or thousands of different religions in the world.  According to the Bible there is only one correct belief system because there is only one true God, the God of the Bible.  Since he commanded his followers to love thy neighbour as thyself, in theory, there should be no wars if everyone followed the Bible.  But the world is to a certain extent under the control of Satan, a fallen angel who was once called Lucifer (Isaiah ch.14) in the KJB.  You combine that with the fact man is corrupt and has an evil nature, then you get wars.

  7. 4 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

    See if you were born in India it would have been very likely that you would have believed strongly in reincarnation. You believe in Christianity so strongly because you were born in the West or Christian family. As I said earlier religion is like geography.

    No, there is only one earth, one universe, one mankind and only one God.  This is just one article about why a person should believe the Bible.  I gave links for supporting articles.  I cannot give all the information on a posting in a few sentences on here.  If you don't read the articles, there is nothing anybody can do to help you.  It rests with you to investigate and read the articles on links.

    Why Believe the Bible? | SES

    Why should I believe the Bible? | GotQuestions.org

    3. Why Believe the Bible? | Bible.org

     Hopefully you will read these articles and understand the information.  If you do not bother there is little point in carrying on posting on the forum for obvious reasons.  If you read an article and you want to discuss some point we can do that.  That would make sense.  But just back and forth posting without any depth is pointless.

  8. 21 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

    No but you are saying Christianity is the true ONE not just true.

    I want to believe in reincarnation which Christianity rejects. Also I don't believe in hell for just not believing. For heavy crimes like murder or rape may be but for not believing what I can't see going to hell, I don't believe it in a second.

    Just because you "want" to believe in something is absolutely no basis for believing in it.  Belief must have some basis.  In the case of Christianity, belief is based on God's revelation to man meaning the King James Bible (God's word in English).

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    Reincarnation is the ancient belief that after death, a person continues to undergo a series of deaths and rebirths into a new body until ultimately reaching a state of purification from sin. At this stage, the cycle of reincarnation ceases as the human soul obtains oneness with the spiritual "Absolute," and thereby experiences eternal peace. Reincarnation is taught in many pagan religions with origins in India, particularly Hinduism and Buddhism.

     

    Christianity and reincarnation are not compatible. While many who believe in reincarnation claim that the Bible teaches it, their arguments hold no biblical foundation.   Unquote

    Is Reincarnation in the Bible? (learnreligions.com)

  9. 7 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

    No but you are saying Christianity is the true ONE not just true.

    I want to believe in reincarnation which Christianity rejects. Also I don't believe in hell for just not believing. For heavy crimes like murder or rape may be but for not believing what I can't see going to hell, I don't believe it in a second.

    Most people don't believe in the Bible or Jesus Christ.  That is why the Bible says:

    " 13  Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. 14  Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."  Matthew 7:13, 14 KJV

      I think what you need to determine is whether the Bible is authoritative and to be believed, that is, the King James Bible.  Nobody else can do that for you.  You will have to investigate and study it yourself.

  10. 5 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

    You know if you were born in Middle East you would have been saying equally strongly if not stronger  that those who did not believe in Mohammad or Allah would be going to hell.

    Religion is geography. It depends on where you were born and by whom you have been brainwashed.

    While there are certain countries that have large numbers of one religion or another, there are scattered Christians in middle eastern countries and various countries around the world.  There are also large numbers in China although they are heavily persecuted.  So that proves nothing.  It does not disprove the truth of the Bible.  Also the Bible originated in Israel and spread to other countries from there.  That does not disprove the truth of it.  There are many different religions the world.  The evidence that the Bible and Christianity is true is very strong.  But it would take a little effort on your part to learn more about it.  Perhaps you are not ready for it.  I don't know.

  11. 8 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

    There is if you know the true argument for there not being a "Hell" in the bible centers around the mistranslation of the word "Sheol".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheol

    There is really nothing at that link that negates the teaching of hell in the Bible.

    "DOES THE OLD TESTAMENT TEACH THE CONCEPT OF HELL?

    I have read several critics of the doctrine of hell insist that the concept of hell cannot be found in the Old Testament. After asserting this, they say that we cannot establish the doctrine of hell when the Old Testament “does not teach this concept.”   

    I would respond first by saying that as Christians, we have more than ample teaching in the New Testament to establish the doctrine of a literal, eternal hell (see Matthew 3:7, Matthew 3:12, Matthew 5:29-30, Matthew 18:9-12, Matthew 13:38-42, Matthew 13:49-50, Matthew 25:46, Mark 9:43-47, Luke 12:5, 2 Thessalonians 1:9, Jude 7, Revelation 14:11, Revelation 20:13-15, and Revelation 21:8).

    This New Testament teaching is quite consistent, though, with the Old Testament. First, the OT contains many references to God’s wrath. He is often said to be angry at wickedness (see, for example, Deuteronomy 32:22, Psalm 2:12, and Psalm 18:7). Psalm 7:11 is one of many verses that indicate this indignation or anger is directed toward those who perpetrate this wickedness (“the wicked”).

    The OT prophets repeatedly speak of a time when the Holy One would have His “day” — a day of justice in which He would express His anger toward sin and visit judgment on sinners. They referred to this as “The Day of the Lord.” (Isaiah 2:12; 13:6, 9; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31; 3:14; Amos 5:18,20; Obadiah 1:15; Zephaniah 1:7,14; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi. 4:5)."

    What Does the Old Testament Say About Hell? - Apologetics Index

  12. 5 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

    Eye witnesses dead for over 2000 years are hardly credible witnesses!!!!!!

    If a number of eye witnesses basically give the same account, it doesn't really matter how long ago it happened.

    But here is an interesting article about a famous lawyer in the 1800s who set out to prove the resurrection of Christ was false.  You may find this interesting.

    FAMOUS LAWYERS PROVE THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST – The Teaching Ministry of Bill Nugent (bnugent.org)

  13. 2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

    Again neither of us were there to see it yourself. There are so many legends in the world about kings flying on a carpet to Jesus rising from the dead. Nobody knows if there are true or false.

    Some religious figures trying to force their ideology by force or intimidation like if you don't beleve what I say you will end up in hell and burn till eternity. This is intimidation. I can't put a gun on your head asking you to love me or I will shoot you. Real love doesn't come this way. Besides if there is one, I don't believe the kind and forgiving God will burn or even hurt his children in hell, unless they have done real harm to his other children like rapists or murderers like Putin and mullahs in Iran.

    While it is true we were not there, we have credible testimonies of eye witnesses.  This is the same as a court of law.  A jury does not have to have been present at a crime scene to know a crime was committed.  They rely on eye witness testimony.  That is the same with the eye witnesses who wrote the Bible.  We rely and believe the eye witness testimony of those who saw Jesus during his life and after he was resurrected.

    This website has a lot of information about hell being a real place.   You say it is a scare tactic.  No, it is not.  If hell is a real place and I believe it is, then why would we not warn other people about it.  Many dismiss what the Bible says as fiction or a myth, but they have made that choice themselves in spite of warnings.

    Bible Verses About Hell: 21 Eye Opening Scriptures (whatchristianswanttoknow.com)

  14. 13 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

    There's a pretty good argument that Hell doesn't exist in the Bible.

    https://lutherwasnotbornagaincom.wordpress.com/2014/07/02/the-concept-of-hell-is-not-in-the-bible/

    It's more an invention of men than God.

     

    No, there is no legitimate argument against hell if one believes the King James Bible.  The modern versions have removed the word hell from the Old Testament because they are corrupt and it is easily proven.   The King James Versions which is based on the Received Text has the word hell in the Old Testament in 31 places.   Jesus spoke about hell.  He was seen by many eye witnesses after he rose from the dead.  (which we commemorate today as a matter of fact - Easter Sunday)

    So the fact Jesus was raised from the dead means what he said is true.  He is God and there is a heaven and a hell.

    People go to hell by their own choice.

    Is Hell Real? What does the Bible say? » Reasons for Hope* Jesus (reasonsforhopejesus.com)

  15. 2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

    Again neither of us were there to see it yourself. There are so many legends in the world about kings flying on a carpet to Jesus rising from the dead. Nobody knows if there are true or false.

    Some religious figures trying to force their ideology by force or intimidation like if you don't beleve what I say you will end up in hell and burn till eternity. This is intimidation. I can't put a gun on your head asking you to love me or I will shoot you. Real love doesn't come this way. Besides if there is one, I don't believe the kind and forgiving God will burn or even hurt his children in hell, unless they have done real harm to his other children like rapists or murderers like Putin and mullahs in Iran.

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    The truth is that hell is necessary because God’s holy and just nature demands that evil be punished. Similarly, the cross was necessary because God’s merciful nature demanded that salvation be offered.

    Since everyone falls short of God’s standard (Rom 3:23), everyone deserves hell. At the final judgment, one thing will be patently clear: God is fair. More than merely “fair,” God is merciful and just. What is actually “unfair” is the fact that anyone will be in heaven. No one is good enough for heaven. The opportunity to enter God’s holy presence illustrates His mercy and grace.

    Jonathan Edwards reflected on the uncomfortable truth of hell: “Tis dreadful, ’tis awful . . . but ’tis true.” The Bible states that people loved darkness rather than light (John 3:19), and that Jesus is the only way to get to heaven (John 14:6; Rom 5:12–17).

    It’s a Choice

    God does not send people to hell. People choose to abandon God and He allows it. God does not force people to worship Him or to experience the joy of His presence.

    Heaven and hell are very real places. Those who fail to accept Christ’s payment for their sins will go to hell. It is that simple. Whether a person will be in heaven or hell after death will depend on whether he chooses to accept God’s gift of salvation and follow Jesus. About this most serious of subjects, it is the Christian’s privilege and duty to proclaim what God has clearly revealed: Hope is found in salvation through Christ alone.  unquote

    Is Hell Real? What does the Bible say? » Reasons for Hope* Jesus (reasonsforhopejesus.com)

    There are many articles and websites that speak about hell.  

     

  16. 58 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

    It is debatable if this is a historic fact or a historic legend.

     

    58 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

    It is debatable if this is a historic fact or a historic legend.

    Better find out soon.  Life can end at any moment and where one goes is for eternity,  heaven or hell.   

    Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.   Study the King James Bible while there is still time.  It is not an invention of men or a legend.   Google and watch the free video "The Life of Jesus".  He did perform many miracles, raised the dead and himself was raised from the dead according to eye witnesses.

  17. On 4/15/2022 at 11:17 AM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

    The soul may indeed exist after life (it is a belief not a proven theory) but unfortunately the mind or memory and sense of awareness will lively not survive (as much as I hate to admit) because science has proven that all brain cells will die too with the body :(.

    The fact the Bible is true and everything Jesus said is true is born out by the fact the he died and rose from the dead in his body.  Darwin's theories can be dismissed for the simple reason that in Darwin's universe everything is "from nothing, by nothing, and for nothing".   From the Book with the same title, Darwin's Universe, by Yan T. Wee.  The mere fact that the complex universe exists is in itself evidence for the truth of God and his revelation to mankind.  The Bible reveals what God's plan is and why we are here.  Darwin's universe has no explanation and no ultimate purpose.  According to him the universe was some cosmic accident.  The Bible also teaches that life (soul and spirit) of man does not end at death.  Therefore there will be consciousness after death.  Everyone either goes to heaven or hell according to the Bible.  

  18. 38 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

    Please define socialism in one sentence as you understand it

    Why would I try to define it in my own words, which would fall short of accuracy, when I have professional definitions on the internet?

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    so·cial·ism

    [ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]

    NOUN

    a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

    synonyms:

    leftism · Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · progressivism · 

    [more]

    policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.

    synonyms:

    leftism · Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · 

    [more]

    (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

    Unquote

       You will notice synonyms for Socialism include welfarism, progressivism, radicalism, etc. which we already have in Canada.  To many people, Socialism is a utopian society, but they do not know or understand that it is inherently evil for the reasons already stated.  
    Socialism ignores human nature.

      One thing about Socialism is it punishes the hard-working, the innovators, and producers while rewarding the lazy, and non-producers.

     

     

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  19. 16 hours ago, eyeball said:

    This from the white collar criminal who was sent to jail on the basis and strength of video evidence catching him in the act of evading accountability.  The government of course, should have eyes on all the accounts of people with Conrad Black's wealth and ugly disposition towards accountability.  It is with the greatest irony that Conrad Black shamelessly bases his accusations of over-reach against the very low-hanging fruit of ordinary Canadians on the plight of poor hard-done by Russian oligarchs, who one presumes are as deserving of exemption from oversight as us and of course Black himself.

    Black cites the lack of evidence of oligarch influence and alleged capacity to get Canadians to snow-wash their ill gotten gains to make his case which flies in the face of the most serious aspects of the allegations; that Canada's government is lax and even worse when it comes to intruding into this filthy disgraceful activity.

    The real issue here is the under-reach of ordinary Canadians and above all else ordinary Canadians who identify as right-wing conservatives when it comes to making our governments more accountable about who they target and more to the point who they don't target with their 'over-reach'.

    WTF is the matter with you people. You seem to go out of your way to make it as easy as possible for the ridiculously powerful and wealthy to get even more wealthy and powerful. How? By reducing transparency and accountability and of course shitting all over the left at every opportunity.

    That said...look at the name at the end of the link I provided.  Why you people and the people you would elect carry so much water for this particular POS by remaining so silent about this particular issue at this particular time is beyond dystopian.

    WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

    Black had two of the charges overturned and he was sentenced for a charge of mail fraud for which he received a three and a half year sentence.  He did his time and paid for his offence.  He later received a Presidential pardon.  The fact is he is one of the most successful and brilliant men in the world.  He built one of the largest newspaper chains in the world, Hollinder International, that owned countless newspapers.  He wrote books including a History of the U.S.A. which I read.  He received the Order of Canada in 1990 for his achievements.  He also was made a British Lord although the Canadian Liberal government under Jean Chretien would not accept it.  But that was likely because Black was a conservative and wrote conservative articles in his newspaper.  The Liberals resented it and were trying to get even.  That's how politics works.  Black's intellectual abilities far exceed anything you ever dreamed of and his achievements far beyond anything you ever heard of.  I understand your sadness because Black has no use for the evil left, liberalism and Socialism.  You condemn Black for his fraud conviction, but you blatantly support evil liberalism so you are nobody to judge Black for anything. What liberal politicians have been doing for years is far worse than what Black did.  What about the Sponsorship Scandal under Jean Chretien?  Scammed taxpayers out of millions of dollars.  When are they going to repay taxpayers?

  20. 4 hours ago, cougar said:

    If you can't determine what is causing climate change you can always ask God.

    3% ??????  !!!!!!!! My God!  90% of all forests in the world are gone, we keep pumping carbon in the atmosphere at record ever increasing levels and you, the expert (can'r remember which number I had assigned to you)  are telling us it is 3% and the rest in natural !   WOW !

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    Human CO2 is a tiny % of CO2 emissions

    “The oceans contain 37,400 billion tons (GT) of suspended carbon, land biomass has 2000-3000 GT. The atpmosphere contains 720 billion tons of CO2 and humans contribute only 6 GT additional load on this ba

    lance. The oceans, land and atpmosphere exchange CO2 continuously so the additional load by humans is incredibly small. A small shift in the balance between oceans and air would cause a CO2 much more severe rise than anything we could produce.” (Jeff Id)   Unquote

    How do human CO2 emissions compare to natural CO2 emissions? (skepticalscience.com)

    quote

    Out of the entire atmospheric makeup, only one to two percent is made up of greenhouse gases with the majority being nitrogen (about 78 percent) and oxygen (about 21 percent). Of that two percent, “planet-killing” carbon dioxide comprises only 3.62 percent while water vapor encompasses 95 percent. And of the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, humans cause only 3.4 percent of annual CO2 emissions. What does this all boil down to? As shown by the accompanying graph, not very much.

    Indeed, anthropogenic effects are real but carbon is such a small portion of the natural cycle, and let’s not forget both the sun and carbon are needed for natural cycles that are good for the earth such as photosynthesis—the process by which plants turn sunlight, water and carbon dioxide into carbohydrates. (For more, check out this Global Warming Primer published by the National Center for Policy Analysis.)

    Perhaps the most alarming part is the price tag associated with attempting to reduce such a small part of the atmosphere and something we really cannot control. Our analysis shows the cumulative GDP losses for 2010 to 2029 approach $7 trillion. Single-year losses exceed $600 billion in 2029, more than $5,000 per house¬hold. Job losses are expected to exceed 800,000 in some years, and exceed at least 500,000 from 2015 through 2026. It is important to note that these are net job losses, after any jobs created by compliance with the regulations–so-called green jobs–are taken into account. In total, the “climate revenue” (read: energy tax) could approach two trillion over eight years. Keep in mind, this is all for negligible environmental benefits.

    The science behind global warming is anything but conclusive. Many leading climatologists conclude that climate models aren’t incredibly accurate and even have different opinions (for instance whether it is the sun or oceanic changes) as to what the dominant causes are of global warming and cooling.

    Nevertheless, it’s easy to pretend the science on global warming is conclusive when environmentalist extremists suppress dissenting opinions. Economist Walter Williams provides a few examples and draws an interesting parallel:

    There’s a much more important issue that poses an even greater danger to mankind.    Unquote

    Man’s Contribution to Global Warming (dailysignal.com)

    You should try Google and learn a few basic facts before spouting nonsense.  Man's contribution is negligible.  You could easily have learned that long ago.  Ignorance is bliss.

     

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  21. 10 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

    No, it is provable. We can measure the amount of carbon emmissions produced. We can measure the PPM of GHFG's in the atmosphere and from that, you can calculate the impact on the re-radiation of energy. It is physics. 

    Not really.  There is no way to determine if man is causing global warming because man only contributes 3% of the total greenhouse (CO2) in the atmosphere.  The other 97% of CO2 is natural.  Therefore it has been impossible to prove man is the cause.  Man is blamed simply because it is in human nature to blame mankind for everything and now including the weather and climate.  Besides it is a good excuse for the U.N. to extort more money from developed nations to give to the rest of the world.

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  22. The 2022 budget proves once again that Socialist systems get an F for failure.  Socialist systems want everything but they fund nothing adequately.  An example is the public health care system.  The provincial and federal governments do not provide adequate funding for the health care system because to provide proper care for everyone would require a vast amount of funding.  So we have 900,000 people in B.C. who do not have their own doctor.  The system provides a degree of health care for everyone, but it is inadequate for many who need health care.  The majority think it is adequate but that is only because most of them are in the younger age bracket and do not yet require health care.  Many people who require health care start to learn the deficiencies of the system.  It is the same with the public insurance system in B.C.  B.C. pays the highest auto insurance rates in north America.  They have been over-charging us for years and the last year or so have been giving rebates because they have been caught with their hands in the till to often.  But that's Socialism.  Inefficient, wasteful and expensive.  But it keeps a lot of bureaucrats employed to run it who have all the job security, benefits, and pensions that many other people do not have.  

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