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2 minutes ago, sharkman said:
Those are obviously left wing plants, or you are making it up.
Was on this morning's CTV news.
"A Centretown man says he was assaulted by demonstrators while trying to take pictures in Confederation Park on Monday.
Tim Abray has lived in the Centretown area for a decade but described the past four days, as “pretty challenging.”
Abray says he decided to go for a walk on Monday around noon. “I took a walk down the (Queen Elizabeth) Driveway to see how many trucks were still here.” When he got to Confederation Park near the National Arts Centre entrance he says, “I was asked to leave.”
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He describes the next moments after being approached by demonstrators.
“They asked me if I was a supporter or not, and I said I was just here having a look and that I live in the neighbourhood. They told me to leave, and I said, ‘I don’t think so, this is where I live and anyone is allowed in the park,’ and he physically grabbed me and removed me from the property,” he says.
Abray says he still had his video recording at the time.
“I immediately went and spoke to police officers onsite,” says Abray. “It is clear they are not interested in a conversation, they are interested in a confrontation, and this is what we have been living with all weekend.”
Abray says he is not interested in pressing charges.
Stress and anxiety for downtown residents
Residents who live in Centretown describe the past four days as extremely loud, frustrating, and stressful.
Sarah Mack lives in Centretown has says it has been constant gridlock outside her apartment all weekend and into Monday. She says she has trouble concentrating and working from home.
“It has been nothing short of a nightmare. They were setting off fireworks all throughout the night. It was getting dangerously close to my windows.”
Mack says her cat has also been stressed and has thrown up because of anxiety. Mack says she has also been verbally assaulted by some demonstrators.
Mack says with no end in sight to the protests, she is making plans to leave. “I am exhausted. With this having no sign of ending at any point I don’t know what I am going to do, what choice I have but to leave the area.”
There are community Facebook groups that are trying to help residents get supplies. Laurena Nash says, “We are organizing trying to get parents noise cancelling headphones for their babies, or noise cancelling devices for rescue pets who have lots of anxiety…we are trying to do what we can because there is a lot of anxiety and stress out there.”
Other residents telling CTV News Ottawa that some people have not being able to get groceries or leave their homes because of safety concerns.
Meanwhile, police continue to ask residents to be patient. Ottawa Police Chief Peter Sloly says Neighbourhood Resource Teams will be back in neighbourhood on Tuesday.
“Our commitment is to redeploy uniformed members, our neighbourhood resource teams, that were previous deployed into the Market area, Lowertown, Sandy Hill, Centretown communities, redeployed out of the operational demonstration command centre that we have had for the past five days.”
Sloly says the officers will help residents feel safe. “Their primary duties and focus is to create a sense of confidence and safety of those communities. And those are the communities that have been the most directly and negatively affected over the last five days.”
Sloly says the police services goal is, “as quickly as possible we will try to return this city to a sense of normalcy.”
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11 hours ago, Winston said:
we would not expect the Earth to exist outside the laws of the system.
Exactly. Who was the intelligent designer who created the laws of the system?
This is the fundamental question that secular humanist scientists have not been able to answer.
Read this article at creation.com
"Quantum leap of faith
by Alexander Williams
World-famous physicist, author and evolutionist Paul Davies has for many years now been producing popular science books that probe beyond the bare facts of cosmology and seek an understanding of what lies behind the marvellous workings of the universe. In his recent book about the origin of life1 he found it necessary to use the word ‘miracle’ to explain it. His miracle however was not that of a sovereign personal Creator, but of a clever universe that somehow is able to do the impossible. In a recent article in New Scientist,2 Davies proposes a new solution to the problem of the origin of life—a quantum computer.
Paul Davies.
He acknowledges at the outset that, despite the continuing claims of Nobel Prize winning evolutionists, the known laws of physics, chemistry and biology do not explain the origin of life. The theory of chemical evolution that stemmed from Miller and Urey’s 1953 production of amino acids from an electric discharge in a mixture of oxygen-free gases ‘did not stand up to scrutiny’. While the Miller-Urey work has shown that ‘amino acids are written into the laws of nature, large and highly specialised molecules such as proteins are certainly not. … Throwing energy at amino acids will not create delicate chain molecules, just as putting dynamite under a pile of bricks won’t make a house’.
He goes on: ‘We now know that the secret of life lies not with the chemical ingredients as such, but with the logical structure and organisational arrangement of the molecules. … Like a supercomputer, life is an information processing system. … It is the software of the living cell that is the real mystery, not the hardware.’ But where did it come from? Davies framed the question this way: ‘How did stupid atoms spontaneously write their own software? … Nobody knows …’.
In a materialist world (one without any supernatural Creator), the only world that Davies recognises, there are only two possibilities — chance and determinism. Determinism is the idea that there is ‘an in-built bias — even a conspiracy — in nature to create life’. But Davies points out that there is no evidence of such bias in the laws of physics, chemistry and biology. He rules out chance, because the odds against the chance formation of the complex organisation of life ‘are breathtakingly huge’.
He therefore turns his attention to the nature of information. He acknowledges that ‘biological information is not encoded in the laws of physics and chemistry … (and it) cannot come into existence spontaneously. … There is no known law of physics able to create information from nothing.’ So he proposes that ‘there might be some sort of principle that could explain how information can be garnered from the environment and accumulated in macromolecules.’ He considers ‘molecular Darwinism’ as a possible mechanism, the idea that natural selection could occur at the molecular level, but he then dismisses it because natural selection only works on living self-reproducing systems. And he also acknowledges the important point that imperfect molecular machinery would scramble information.
How did stupid atoms spontaneously write their own software? … Nobody knows …
His vote goes to the recently discovered and little understood realm of quantum computing. A quantum computer can theoretically produce all possible solutions to a problem simultaneously. In practice, it would be ‘exponentially faster than classical systems’ at processing information.
His argument is as follows. ‘The riddle of biogenesis is essentially computational in nature — discovering a very special type of molecular system from among a vast decision tree of chemical alternatives, most branches of which represent biological duds.’ That is, if there were a soup of molecular building blocks that could assemble themselves into macromolecules, a quantum computer could quickly calculate which ones would be biologically useful, and in what role and configuration. He does not say how this might happen, and ends the article at this point.
I wonder if indeed he will pursue the idea. Quantum computing, not even properly achieved yet in practice, would represent the pinnacle of current human technological achievement; to invoke this principle as the driving force behind the origin of life is an implicit admission that it requires intelligence to produce information. This is a conclusion that he is no doubt aware of, but to invoke intelligence to explain the origin of life means facing up to the fact that there is a Creator.
In summary, Davies has not contributed anything new to the origin-of-life debate. Refreshingly, he does acknowledge that chemical evolution provides no explanation at all, a position well established by creationists.3 And he does focus on the primary role of information, but on this subject creationists most decidedly hold the high ground.4 His latest attempt seems to be nothing more than grasping at a straw that might just hold the case together for evolution. It is therefore a tacit acknowledgment that otherwise, the evolutionary cupboard is bare. "
The reality is there is no rational explanation for the creation of the universe and life apart from an intelligent designer or Creator, who we call God. There never will be because it is one of those things that science cannot explain. There is no need to ask or demand that an explanation for how God created everything be made because God has not chosen to reveal that to his creatures. But the obvious complexity of the universe and the fact of it's existence should be enough to convince anyone that God is the Creator. The Bible tells us in Romans ch1 that the reason many cannot see that or are unwilling to admit God is the Creator is because they are blinded by sin. We are all born with a sinful, fallen nature and unless God opens our eyes, we cannot see the truth.
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Just watched an interview with a citizen of Ottawa who went for a walk and entered a park in Ottawa. He was suddenly out of the blue aggressively pushed around by several men from the so-called convoy and who were hurling all kinds of insults at him and forced him out of the public park. This is not a protest. It is an occupation by thugs and terrorists and the Ottawa police and leaders are doing nothing; just sitting back and watching all this go on.
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1 hour ago, Army Guy said:
How would you describe BLM protests, or how about those at the G-20 riot, or those that took to the streets after a major sports play off and tore it apart... It is OK for those involved in those riots where they tore apart the cxity burned police cars, broke into store fronts and stole...but a few assholes that have done none of that they get our rage....This is not Ottawa first protest.
I opposed any of those radical extremists. I have no use for extremists.
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2 minutes ago, myata said:
The answer to constitutionality is in the arbitrary nature of the restrictions. Any democratic law, rule, policy cannot be arbitrary. It has to be necessary; effective; and proportional. Otherwise it would be entirely constitutional for a PM to mandate you wear a clown hat on Thursdays and a muzzle Sundays 2 to 5 pm.
And not at some remote moment, for a minute but at any time while it is in place. None of that can be supported for the mandates, obviously.
But of course, for judicial challenges to be effective as a check on executive power they have to be timely. It serves nothing to have these challenges drag for years and decades. Only another parody or imitation of a working democracy.
You still don't get it. The health restrictions and mandates are perfectly Constitutional because the Government has the power to take whatever action is necessary to protect the people in an health emergency.
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A lot of folks on here obviously reject the science and medical experts on the battle against Covid. For once I agree with Trudeau that they need to listen to the science. Absolutely nobody will be convinced by the so-called freedom convoy. It is full of loud mouth, aggressive, rude, people who have no idea what peaceful protest means. They protested on Friday, Saturday and made their point, but they don't quit. They are making the lives of people living in Ottawa miserable because they are blocking roads, refusing to leave, acting aggressively, and not letting people go downtown, not letting people go to work in those areas or go about their business. This is a clear sign of what kind of people we are dealing with. Demanding, unreasonable anarchists breaking the law by parking many trucks and other vehicles everywhere far beyond the time limit and refusing to leave. They also are honking their horns continuously as if this sends some kind of rational message. Disturbing the peace continually. They are abusive and have no respect for others. They think they can browbeat the government into submission this way. Tragic.
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2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:
I guess that's where we really differ. In my book the rights of the individual or person are sacrosanct.
No such thing as unlimited rights of the individual; never has been.
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This is what a real freedom convoy looks like.
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2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:
Everything that I said was 100% correct, so you're lying, and you haven't addressed those stats at all.
You want to have a discussion that's entirely based on your opinions and you're discounting the only thing that really matters - the statistics.
But it's never pointless to remember who lied to you. That actually matters, a lot.
The chances of kids getting extremely sick from covid is also extremely low. We also have no clue what the long-term side effects might be. That's what makes it a personal choice.
Not at all. They successfully treat myocarditis in about 81% of all cases.
Who cares? You don't vaccinate kids to keep octogenarians safe. It's completely unreasonable.
They absolutely did lie. I showed you exactly where they lied. You just chose to accept their lies and then to accept their next statements as 'most likely true'. That's 'actually stupid'.
Do you honestly think that they didn't know H2H was occurring when they were saying that H2H wasn't occurring? Was it even useful to guesstimate that? "It's a pandemic, but let's not err on the side of caution". Their shitty guess killed a couple million people.
Do you honestly think that the BSL4 lab leak theory was batshit crazy conspiracy talk that should get people banned from social media?
The bat-pangolin wetmarket theory was a long-winded farce that sounded stupid and we now know it to be a falsehood. Was that a useful story to put out there? Why was it a kook theory to believe in the BSL4 lab leak before Bill Maher said it?
Do you honestly think that they knew in advance that the vaccines would be safe [it was a lie] and that they'd be effective at stopping the spread? [lie] Our society is between 80%-95% vaccinated and covid is still spreading like wildfire. Let's stop pretending that vaccination is gong to get us to herd immunity. It's just getting us to 80%-95% vaccinated. That's it.
Demand truth from your government, or at least an "I don't know" instead of stupid, blatant lies that we have to repeat if we don't want to get banned from social media.
You think government and anyone who disagrees with you is lying. Not much anyone can say. You will have to carry on in your delusions. You simply don't want the facts or anything that changes your mind.
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1 minute ago, West said:
N95s have to be properly fitted to be effective. Probably not going to happen therefore they are just face decoration.
That's true. Just make sure it fits as tightly as possible and try to make sure it is sealed as best as possible around the edges and over the nose. I know some masks don't fit very tightly. Try to find a good fitting mask.
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17 minutes ago, West said:
That's precisely what was said by media outlets and their experts during the vaccine push last year.
And again it's not true they are less likely to be infected.
Masks are useless especially the cloth masks that we've all been wearing for two years. Medical experts were saying that until the masknissue was politicized
Get a better mask. N95. I have never used cloth masks. Always use something close to or similar to N95. Bought a few ten or fifteen years ago for shop work. But you should be able to find them on the internet or possibly in a drugstore or hardware.
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8 minutes ago, Goddess said:
So.....If a mugger says "Gimme your wallet or I'll stab you" and you willingly hand over your wallet.....That's not a mugging? Because you WILLINGLY gave over your wallet?
That's what's called FALSE EQUIVALENCY!
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20 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:
You still have some answering to do blackbird. You're in no position to be throwing around grand accusations when you're backing the only people that we know for sure are liars.
You call government leaders and health authorities liars? How rational is that? Where do you get your knowledge from, conspiracy theorist websites?
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12 minutes ago, West said:
Actually no they were implemented because supposedly the vaccine stopped transmission (or so we were told). We know that is false but now they've shifted the goalposts.
If the main issue is hospitalization, then you wouldn't do coerced injections for the masses as the majority of hospitalizations are thlse with comorbidies, not the average unvaccinated person.
Yet nobody talks about that as it's inconvenient. Instead we threaten people into vaccines to attend university or go to a restaurant.
And still they close you down in some places even as vaccine % tips 90%.
As I have said many times, nobody claims the vaccine stops transmission. We were never told it would completely stop transmission. Experts tell us it reduces transmission. Big difference between stops and reduces. The reason for mandates for various jobs and the reason for passports is to reduce the transmission. Vaccinated people are less likely to be carrying the virus because the body builds a resistance to the virus. It offers the best protection from spread along with masks and other measures.
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13 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:
That's all just bluster.
Vaccinated people are getting as sick as anyone else right now.
Over 500 'fully protected' people have died in Canada in the last month.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1257040/number-covid-deaths-canada-by-vaccination-status/ In late Dec there were 981 deaths by fully vaxed, now there are over 1,500.
I don't have to tell you that they lie. You know that they lie.
Is H2H occurring?
Is it really racist and stupid to consider that a BSL4 lab was the source of the virus, and not a wet market?
The vaccines were promised to be safe before we got them. Why isn't the J&J vax here anymore? The Pfizer and Moderna jabs are both KNOWN to cause myocarditis. Is J&J what you'd call "safe"? Pfizer? Moderna?
When you watch Global, CTV and CBC you're told that kids need to be vaxed to fight of covid, but that's a lie too: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1228632/number-covid-deaths-canada-by-age/ Only 27 people from 10,000,000 under-20s in this country died so far. Does that scream "we need to vaccinate these people!" to you? Would you take a vax with serious side-effects to avoid a 27/10,000,000 chance of dying? Cars are 50x as dangerous for kids. If your kid needs a vax, they should never go in a car.
I don't "think" that the government is lying. I know it, and I just proved it. Don't ever sit there and act like you don't know whether or not the gov't is lying to you about this. You'd have to be a complete and total idiot to believe them right now.
I'm saying that stats don't lie.
If you think that my stats are a lie then find "the true stats" blackbird. Let's see what stats you can find that shows a whole shwack of young, healthy dead Canadians under 20. It's put up or shut up time.
1. Not correct. There are lower percentages of vaccinated people with Covid in the hospitals per capita when you factor in that 80% or 90% of the population who have been vaccinated. Or there are more unvaccinated in hospitals with Covid per capita. Google it.
2. Pointless to debate the source of the virus here. We don't know for sure where it came from.
3. The chances of myocarditis from the vaccine is extremely low. The chances of catching Covid is far greater than the harm that comes from vaccination. They are also able to treat myocarditis.
4. One of the main reasons for children being vaccinated is because they are spreaders of the virus and can take it home to their aging relatives many of whom are immuno-compromised and may die if they get Covid. Sure the chance of a kid dying from Covid are far less; the chances of them spreading to others is very high. That's the reason they need to be vaccinated.
5. The government is not lying. That is absurd. They are acting to protect the populations. They may not have been perfect in every decision they made over the last two years, but they are doing the best they can and there would be thousands more deaths if they did nothing.
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2 minutes ago, Winston said:
Until you answer my question I would not bother answering yours.
Because you have no answer. You support the anti-science, anti-authority Covid deniers. Don't answer then.
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2 minutes ago, Goddess said:
So if you are vaccinated, you have X % level of protection, correct?
And we all know now that BOTH the vaccinated and the unvaccinated spread covid.
The virus comes along.
Are you telling me that a Vaccinated person's coronavirus will NOT infect you, but an Unvaccinated person's coronavirus will?
The medical disease experts say vaccinated people are LESS LIKELY to spread the virus. They didn't say they absolutely won't spread it. Big difference between less likely and don't spread it. Why don't you accept the medical science?
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1 minute ago, myata said:
This statement contains a correct part and a wrong, factually false part. It is correct that in some environments even limited protection against infection and transmission offered by vaccines can be necessary; it's is not unconditionally tied to the vaccines but to the level of protection; if a better instrument or mechanism is found, there would be reasons to require vaccinations in these environments.
The part that Covid is spread only by non vaccinated is so obviously false that there's no need to discuss it.
So you categorically reject the medical science that says vaccinated people are less likely to spread Covid than unvaccinated people. That's the point. That's the reason for vaccine mandates. Check the medical science.
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1 minute ago, Winston said:
I am not West Can Man. Go talk with him.
I talked to him. You commented to him and I replied to you. I thought you were a champion for believing the science. The science tells us the measures to fight Covid work. A lot of people here deny the science.
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8 minutes ago, myata said:
This has been discussed to death. An individual has the right of choice of what goes into their body.
Any discrimination by this choice is a type of coercion. Overriding this right for any reason, given that bodily autonomy is one of the most fundamental human rights requires a high standard of: essential public benefit; and effectiveness that has to proven objectively.
None has been demonstrated so far in the case of coerced vaccination. There's no demonstrated overriding public benefit and neither the effectiveness of vaccines in achieving it. Coerced vaccination cannot be justified other than in very specific environments.
Sure you have the right to choose what goes into your body, but if you want to work in certain jobs, you have no right to spread Covid to other people by not being vaccinated. That is the point. You can refuse to be vaccinated and lose the job because your right to choose not to be vaccinated does not trump other people's right to expect as much safety as possible in the job.
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26 minutes ago, Winston said:
If I may suggest, simplify the argument. We can talk about all the other issues, but the argument becomes blurry. Leave political, racial or class systems aside.
What is the exact issue? Pick only one point and move forward. What is the primary problem with the mandates? Only one major point.
If we want to solve the mandates, please pinpoint and focus on one objective at a time.
West Can Man has already said the whole Covid thing (the health measures) is a lying narrative. You claimed to believe in science. If you really believe in science, why are you agreeing with people who deny the medical science?
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17 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:
The mandates are just one part of the overall lying narrative that we've consistently dealt with re: covid.
The vaccine mandates have increased the number of people vaccinated, which is one of the main reasons they are implemented. The other main reason is to protect the people who are working in the industries from catching Covid. Vaccination is known to reduce the chances of spread. The more people that are vaccinated the lower the spread of the virus. The hospital system is over loaded, thousands of people are on hold for life-saving surgeries and hospital nurses and doctors are burned out. Many people awaiting surgery have died. The whole reason for such things as mandates is to save the health care system and save people's lives and health. But if you think everything any experts or authorities say is a lie, there's not much anyone can say to you. What would convince you?
When you call the health measures and mandates a lying narrative you show you don't believe in medical science.
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14 hours ago, West said:
Maybe just a small taste of what these folks have had to put up with for the past couple years? Maskers spitting on people, telling them they'll kill grandmothers, and being refused a table at a restaurant over a vaccine.
You forgot to mention that thousands of grandmothers and grandfathers have died by Covid in care homes. Sorry for the inconveniences Covid restrictions caused you. Couldn't eat in a restaurant because you wouldn't get the jab. Or had to put on a mask to go into a store. Terribly rough. So much suffering. Poor boy.
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Trucker's Convoy
in Federal Politics in Canada
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Tim Abray physically assaulted by protesters in an Ottawa public park.
Downtown Ottawa residents describe stress and anxiety of living with ongoing trucker protest | CTV News