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That isn't rational at all, Rue. It's easy for any competent observer to see that all Canadians are not racist. People aren't knowledgeable enough or brave enough to address the US government conspiracy theory. When all one has done is swallow US propaganda/lies it can't be done. I know you aren't brave enough to discuss your misinformation and I know it would be a waste of time because you are a science denier, a reality denier.

I've read that article before, Rue. I only quoted the video, just as you are now quoting one source. Quite obviously no one, me included, is pissing on all Canadians. It might be a good idea to stop whining and just address the issue of racism that plagues all western societies. And try being a bit more realistic about what is causing all this. You still haven't addressed your "stretches of the truth" that I pointed out to you some time ago.

Here's another one of those people who deny the stark realities I have listed above. With no sense of shame at all. All because you can't understand the science and you are afraid, for a number of reasons, to ask, capricorn. And this silly argument that has been raised by a number of people - all of them science deniers. The articles are full of scientists and professors discussing science. News media the world over are discussing this event just to make money! Should they be ashamed of themselves? I often wonder about many of the adults in society.

You share some of the same feelings as H. Goering. Good propaganda, capricorn. "Why of course the people don't want war ... But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger." — Hermann Goering, Nazi leader, at the Nuremberg Trials after World War II =============== Osama bin Laden was being blamed by 9:15 on 911 and then the US government really ramped up the propaganda. And you swallowed it hook, line and sinker because you can't/won't do science or reality.

You're describing the US Civil War, right, OftenWrong. The US has been in a state of war for over 90% of its years in existence. No president has ever been a peace time president. Central and South America has been their Killing Fields since 1823, one of the places where the US has stolen vast amounts of wealth from the poor and the destitute.

Trump will figure something out, Betsy. He hasn't failed yet. He is on a tear!

He can, and good people everyone welcome him doing so, hanging himself with his every tweet. It's interesting how rank partisans will support the goofiest, the most evil people just because they have some emotional investment in them.

Canada still operates on the rule of law, something you seem to despise. People have to commit crimes before they are charged. That's how a rule of law country works. You are a terrorist supporter, a big one. You always fail to mention the biggest terrorists in the world, the USA. They ran, still run a terrorist training camp in the USA that has been responsible for training most of the vicious terrorists that have murdered so many in Central and South America. Kissinger and the US encouraged the Argentine governments actions against the "Disappeared". You do know that the US is the only nation ever to be convicted of international terrorism. The only nation condemned by the UNGA for 25 years for terrorism against Cuba. Virtually every Central and South American country has experienced USA terrorism, US crimes against humanity, US genocides. You know this, B_C confirms this, delights in it and still you are in denial.

Please help to finish it, Rue. I condemn any hate crime against any identifiable group. I notice that you forgot the First Nations community, those who have suffered thru more than a century of an ongoing genocide. The video, had you watched it, noted that hate crimes against the Jewish community, the LBGT community and Black community were on the decline but Black Canadians were still targeted most. Attacks on the Muslim community were up 60%. Anyone with any common sense knows why this is. But again, I urge you to discuss any and all racism.

Could you provide a source for that?

An excellent listen. Islamophobia killed my brother. Let's end the hate | Suzanne Barakat

Well, reality meets the reality. Canadians rise up to show their true colors. And no one bothered to bring this news report forward. June 13, 2017 | CBC's The National prime-time coverage of the NCCM's news conference on the increase in anti-Muslim hate crimes in Canada. Coverage of NCCM news conference on latest hate crimes data

If you were honest enough to look at the US terrorism/torture/war crimes past and recent past, you would know that is false. Nicaragua: I don't mean to abuse you with verbal violence, but you have to understand what your government and its agents are doing. They go into villages, they haul out families. With the children forced to watch they castrate the father, they peel the skin off his face, they put a grenade in his mouth and pull the pin. With the children forced to watch they gang-rape the mother, and slash her breasts off. And sometimes for variety, they make the parents watch while they do these things to the children. ... And you can go and read from these things, classic CIA operations that we know about, some of them very bloody indeed. Guatemala 1954, Brazil, Guyana, Chile, the Congo, Iran, Panama, Peru, Bolivia, Equador, Uruguay - the CIA organized the overthrow of constitutional democracies. Read the book Covert Action: 35 years of Deception by the journalist Godswood. [6] Remember the Henry Kissinger quote before the Congress when he was being grilled to explain what they had done to overthrow the democratic government in Chile, in which the President, Salvador Allende had been killed. And he said, `The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves'. We had covert actions against China, very much like what we're doing against Nicaragua today, that led us directly into the Korean war, where we fought China in Korea. We had a long covert action in Vietnam, very much like the one that we're running in Nicaragua today, that tracked us directly into the Vietnam war. Read the book, The Hidden History of the Korean War by I. F. Stone. [14] Read Deadly Deceits by Ralph McGehee [9] for the Vietnam story. In Thailand, the Congo, Laos, Vietnam, Taiwan, and Honduras, the CIA put together large standing armies. In Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, the Congo, Iran, Nicaragua, and Sri Lanka, the CIA armed and encouraged ethnic minorities to rise up and fight. The first thing we began doing in Nicaragua, 1981 was to fund an element of the Mesquite indians, to give them money and training and arms, so they could rise up and fight against the government in Managua. In El Salvador, Vietnam, Korea, Iran, Uganda and the Congo, the CIA helped form and train the death squads. In El Salvador specifically, under the `Alliance for Progress' in the early 1960's, the CIA helped put together the treasury police. These are the people that haul people out at night today, and run trucks over their heads. These are the people that the Catholic church tells us, have killed something over 50,000 civilians in the last 5 years. And we have testimony before our Congress that as late as 1982, leaders of the treasury police were still on the CIA payroll. Then you have the `Public Safety Program.' I have to take just a minute on this one because it's a very important principle involved that we must understand, if we're to understand ourselves and the world that we live in. In this one, the CIA was working with policeforces throughout Latin America for about 26 years, teaching them how to wrap up subversive networks by capturing someone and interrogating them, torturing them, and then getting names and arresting the others and going from there. Now, this was such a brutal and such a bloody operation, that Amnesty International began to complain and publish reports. Then there were United Nations hearings. Then eventually our Congress was forced to yield to international pressure and investigate it, and they found the horror that was being done, and by law they forced it to stop. You can read these reports -- the Amnesty International findings, and our own Congressional hearings. These things kill people. 800,000 in Indonesia alone according to CIA's estimate, 12,000 in Nicaragua, 10,000 in the Angolan operation that I was sitting on in Washington, managing the task force. They add up. We'll never know how many people have been killed in them. Obviously a lot. Obviously at least a million. 800,000 in Indonesia alone. Undoubtedly the minimum figure has to be 3 million. Then you add in a million people killed in Korea, 2 million people killed in the Vietnam war, and you're obviously getting into gross millions of people... http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Stockwell/StockwellCIA87_2.html

Of course we could come to an agreement, if we all looked at reality. I am puzzled no end by people who hear, in US scientists' own words, how they have invented nanothermite and then respectable scientists from around the world, men who have had held long and distinguished careers, describe nanothermite found in WTC dust. [hold that thought!] This was found all by accident. Dr Steven Jones didn't expect to find it - he didn't know it was there. He couldn't have planted it because he doesn't "have any idea" how to make it; because it is US government proprietary knowledge. But it WAS found! We know it is nano scale because that is how it measures - at the nano scale. One one-millionth of a MILLIMETER! I don't even know how to describe something that small! We know it is thermitic in nature because it "explodes" with a very quick and a very high energy level, exactly what the US nanothermite scientists describe. We know it is thermitic in nature because it produces the chemical signature of thermite. Including the much too voluminous iron microspheres that are never there in normal office dust. [bring that thought I asked you to hold back, forward now] and people deny all this stark reality with silly nanu nanu comments.

Noooooo, I am not suggesting anything that goofy at all. Why does this come from? Rational technical arguments do not dismiss all the huge "gives" to the official story. Rational technical arguments do not leave out the people who were on those floors and survived. Rational technical arguments do not leave out FEMA saying the fuel would be burned off in 5 minutes. Rational technical arguments do not mean a body denies a human being being exploded out a twin tower window. Rational technical arguments do not mean creating myriad silly diversions to divert from real evidence. Rational technical arguments do not involve ignoring the 6 arguments I raised in the post three above yours being replied to. It would be fitting had you been this honest from the get go. Why all the dumb "nanu nanu" comments and support for the same?

Why have you been hiding all this brilliance behind an "Aw shucks" country bumpkin for all this time? Where is your evidence of temperatures high enough to do what you and the US conspiracy theory say happened?

You leave: 1. Nanothermite 2. Molten/vaporized steel 3. Molten molybdenum 4. Molten iron microspheres, the product of nanothermite reactions. 5. Free fall WTC7 6. Accelerating collapses WTCs 1 & 2 7. ... Each and every one of them fatal to the US conspiracy theory. And you make a phony pretense that you have been some fair minded, honest individual in your dealings on this issue. Pure baloney.

The one and only time you have ever done anything remotely close to discussing science, OftenWrong. And you didn't discuss anything, you dismissed it out of hand based on an OftenWrong opinion. That's not science. All you have ever done is troll. Do a rough count of the number of troll comments you have made and encouraged from others. Now you say I "have had my chance". I ask you to provide some temperatures that illustrate 911 Research is wrong and you/the US conspiracy theory are right. What happens? Another song and dance routine from OftenWrong.

You spouted the same nonsense that you have spouted since your first comment on 911. Your opinion means nothing in and of itself. And to whine about being insulted, you, a guy who has done nothing but that for months on end, never once addressing any science. In this exchange too, you didn't address any science. You failed to note that there were people on those floors that survived, you failed to note that FEMA described a very short burn time for the fuel, you also forgot to address the very generous "gives" to the official story. But most of all, you haven't provided anything, not the tiniest shred of evidence to show temperatures that you believe are necessary to support the US conspiracy theory actually existed. You guys deny deny deny realities, but you can never provide any evidence that supports the US government conspiracy theory. Why do you think that after months of delivering pure bullshit and no serious discussion or evidence, anyone would accept, out of hand, your personal opinion? Your frequent stark denials of reality are enough to show that you are just joking, always have been and this is just another OftenWrong charade.

It isn't in Canada's interest, or any other country, in a moral sense, to have anything to do with the war criminal/terrorist/murderous USA. That people do only illustrates how deeply amoral some people are.

"Go to sleep. Everything is all right." Not for Nicaraguans, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Laotians, ... U.S. imperialism in Nicaragua and Latin America

Of course I do. I also give more than a rat's patootie about people who make scurrilous comments without providing any proof. Why do you spend so much time talking about things other than your own hearsay? Do you consider that to be honest?

Be honest, Argus, you use the ignore feature for people who present facts and evidence that make you uncomfortable.

I agree. America is great. They go to save the oppressed. "the war was a battle against the South Vietnamese people. " "Kill Anything That Moves". Now where have we heard that before.

The question still stands, Goddess. Because you are university educated and you hold yourself to high standards.