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It will be another conservative hack judge who has little or no connection to life in today's America. The only reason Bush is moving up the date and announcing it today is to try and get Rove's exposing a CIA agent issue onto the media's back burner. Rove's day of reckoning is coming probably in October
I know, I know, conservative judges are hacks, blah, blah, blah. Actually, this has been the second longest wait between the time a vacancy on the Supreme Court has occured and a President has announced a choice to fill it. Of course they'll enjoy the timing, because it gives the press a real issue to cover instead of some non-criminal witch hunt they've been pursuing for the last week or so. Please don't hold your breath on Rove's day of "reckoning", I'm afraid you'll be very, very, disappointed. Especially since no crime has been committed.
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I assume that you agree with my statement that it would not be Canadian terrorist's fault for any deaths if they were to fight back against an invader
Fighting back against an invader is one thing. Purposely killing innocent civilians is another. I assume you agree with me, that packing a truck full of explosives and driving it into a school, or hospital is nothing close to fighting back against an invader/occupying force.
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Because the Gomery commission is dealing with old news - the Chretien regime. In case you hadn't noticed he hasn't been there for a while. My hunch is that Martin is coming out unscathed and will rock and roll into another Liberal majority government. Imagine 5 Liberal governments in a row!
It's not old news, and Martin was the Finance Minister at the time. I give him credit that he's been able to convince the mainstream media to shift attention away from it, but it's gonna rear its ugly head come the next election. And no, I cannot imagine another majority liberal government. How much more destruction can they bring to our country before being properly dealt with? This country isn't a democracy, it's a dictatorship, headed by Chretien/Martin. Martin is just continuing Chretien's legacy, or lack thereof. But we shall see.
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So why is it so hard for people to accept the fact that it is the US & UK that are responsible for all the deaths in the Iraq?
Because they're not, that's why. It's the terrorists who target innocent women and children. It's the terrorist who blow up schools, and hospitals, and the Red Cross. Why is it so hard for you people to understand this? If another country had attacked and was occupying Canada, I sure as hell wouldn't be killing thousand of innocent Canadians. No Canadian would. The Jihadists realize that if Iraq succeeds, then they fail. And killing innocents is their perverse way of derailing progress. Put the blame where it belongs. On the suicidal jihadists who kill innocent people in the name of Allah.
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Conservatives it's time to lose him if you get my drift
I'm still trying to figure out why the focus by the media has been on Stephen Harper instead of the corruptor-in-chief Paul Martin? There's Nixonian type conduct going on in Ottawa, and has been for several years, yet the discussion seems to be centered on whether Stephen Harper is good for the Conservative Party. Give me a break.
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Bush to announce court choice
WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush has decided whom to nominate to succeed Sandra Day O'Connor on the Supreme Court and was poised to announce his pick in a prime-time Tuesday night address.
I'm hoping it's Janice Rogers Brown. *fingers crossed*
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Anyone who thinks there's any comparison to be made between the levels of post war violence in Iraq today and Germany 60 years ago is just plain wrong
I could agree more. Obviously post-war Iraq is much more violent then post-war Germany. However, I was simply responding to this particular statement:
suicide bombers, no kidnappings and murders, no resistance movements blowing up public utilitiesWhich is incredibily inaccurate. There were kidnappings and murders, there was a resistance movement and they did attempt and succeeded in destroying public utilities, etc. These are historical facts.
Again, the most significant comparison between post-war German and post-war Iraq is the doom and gloom headlines which are being recycled on almost a word for word basis. To say there are absolutely no comparisons is just plain wrong.
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whether they want to admit it or not, america has(directly and indirectly) caused 128,000 civilian deaths!
Wrong. According to Iraq Body Count (http://www.iraqbodycount.net/) the maximum number of Iraqi civilians killed is 25881. And I would bet that the vast majority of civilians killed in Iraq are by "insurgents" "helping" the Iraqi people from under the "oppressive" "occupation" of America.
Please don't inflate casualty numbers for poltical purposes.
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Nice work, shady. Good luck convincing the lefties
Thanks, I'll try. Although there hatred of all things Bush is usually very hard to overcome, even with facts.
No comparison. The Germans may have disliked the Americans (as did the Japanese), however, they were intelligent enough to co-operate long enough to get the country rebuilt. No suicide bombers, no kidnappings and murders, no resistance movements blowing up public utilities. I think part of the reason is most Germans realized that they brought it on themselves. Muslims, on the other hand, see the invasion of Iraq as unprovoked attack (which it was).Wrong. The main comparison is the defeatist attitude of the press during the post-war Germany occupation and now the post-war Iraq occupation. The exact same doom and gloom headlines of the 1940's are now being recycled today, almost word for word. You're also wrong about no resistance movements. There were resisitance movements, that in some cases lasted several years. Example:
Nazi GuerrillasIn the months and years following the end of the World War Two, Allied forces faced a series of bombings and attacks in occupied Germany.
Nazi loyalists attempted to derail the rebuilding process by killing any Germans collaborating with the enemy. And the mysterious SS-Werewolves underground organization boasted of the coming rebirth of the Party.
Today, little is known about the activities of the Werewolves and other groups who opposed the Allied forces during this postwar period. And while the Nazi resistance effort did eventually fail, many of its methods and the harsh Allied response to them have real world implications for the present situation in Iraq.
"The Last Nazis" will explore how the SS-Werewolves terrorized military and civilian targets behind enemy lines such as industrial plants, fuel depots, supply lines, and stray soldiers.
We'll hear from a former Werewolf as he describes his motivation and role in the guerilla movement. In addition we'll travel to Aachen, where Werewolves assassinated the pro-Allied mayor, and Penzberg, the site of the "Night of Murder" - a senseless rampage aimed at preventing any German collaboration in which more than a dozen German civilians were killed.
We'll also explore the Allied attempt to purge Germany's Nazi past through denazification tribunals - an increasingly unpopular set of trials that was hit by a wave of bombings.
The Werewolves specialised in ambushes and sniping, and took the lives of many Allied and Soviet soldiers and officers -- perhaps even that of the first Soviet commandant of Berlin, General N.E. Berzarin, who was rumoured to have been waylaid in Charlottenburg during an incident in June 1945. Buildings housing Allied and Soviet staffs were favourite targets for Werewolf bombings; an explosion in the Bremen police headquarters, also in June 1945, killed five Americans and thirty-nine Germans. Techniques for harassing the occupiers were given widespread publicity through Werewolf leaflets and radio propaganda, and long after May 1945 the sabotage methods promoted by the Werewolves were still being used against the occupying powers.Although the Werewolves originally limited themselves to guerrilla warfare with the invading armies, they soon began to undertake scorched-earth measures and vigilante actions against German `collaborators' or `defeatists'. They damaged Germany's economic infrastructure, already battered by Allied bombing and ground fighting, and tried to prevent anything of value from falling into enemy hands. Attempts to blow up factories, power plants or waterworks occasionally provoked melees between Werewolves and desperate German workers trying to save the physical basis of their employment, particularly in the Ruhr and Upper Silesia.
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It never fails - we elected Mulroney twice and Harris twice. Unbelievable. Who was who said never underestimate the stupidity of the Canadian voter?
See, it's this type of arrogance and disregard for people's personal political feelings that really bothers me. Apparently, if you don't vote for Jack Layton, you're an ignorant fool. Well, I feel the exact opposite. Anyone who wastes a vote for Jack Layton, but specifically the NDP is as ignorant as one can be. It's not suprising that so little voters support a party that's borderline communist.
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Germans Declare Americans Hatred
U.S. Investigators Discover Mounting Bitterness Over Our Occupational Practices
By Kathleen McLaughlin, The New York Times
December 3, 1945
Bitter resentment and deep disappointement was voiced over the American's first six months of the occupation.Loss of Victory in Germany Through U.S. Policy Feared
By John H. Crider, The New York Times
November 18, 1945
Grave concern was expressed today by informed officials that the United States might soon lose the fruits of victory in Germany through the failure to prepare adequately for carrying out its long-term commitments under the Potsdam Declaration.Germans Reveal Hatred of Americans
By Drew Middleton, The New York Times
October 31, 1945
The German attitude twoard the American occupation forces has swung from apathy and surface friendliness to active dislike.According to a military government official, this is the finding expression in the organization throghout the zone and in a rapid increase in the number of attacks on American soldiers. There were more such attacks in the first week of October than in the preceding five months of the occupation, this source declared.
American's Clashes With Germans Grow
October 10, 1946
Reich Girls Want Return of Nazism
By Drew Middleton
October 22, 1945
Reports on the survey revealed that girls up to 18 years of age and women in their early twenties yearned for "a strong new Fuehrer," opposed denazification, and were ready to excuse Hitler as a good man with "bad advisors".I found these past articles fascinating, as well as the parallels between post-war Germany and post-war Iraq.
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Since this thread has degenerated into trolling tactics, I'm out. I'm leaving my subscription up in case anything new breaks in the story
I agree. There's nothing new to this story, except for the hyperbole throw around in this thread.
Bush did not have that approval and he is actually guilty of sending his country into war in defiance of CongressWrong. President Bush did have the approval of Congress. Unfortunately they handed over their Constitutional right by giving the authority to the President regarding the decision to declare war.
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I think what the Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald will be focusing on with his grand jury indictments will be the lies being told by Rove, Libby, & perhaps even Bush
Well, in my opinion, Wilson's lies should be included in any investigation. He provided a number of inaccurate statements to the Senate Intelligence Committee as well as to the news media.
Wilson's lies:
Lie #1: Implied that it was the Vice President's office which sent him on a fact finding mission to Niger.
"“The vice president's office asked a serious question. I was asked to help formulate the answer"He also denied that his CIA employed wife had anything to do with the process.
"Valerie had nothing to do with the matter"Former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, dispatched by the CIA in February 2002 to investigate reports that Iraq sought to reconstitute its nuclear weapons program with uranium from Africa, was specifically recommended for the mission by his wife, a CIA employee, contrary to what he has said publiclyThe committee found Wilson had made an earlier trip to Niger in 1999 for the CIA, also at his wife's suggestionLie #2
His debunking of forged memos related to Iraq and Niger.
The report also said Wilson provided misleading information to The Washington Post last June. He said then that he concluded the Niger intelligence was based on documents that had clearly been forged because "the dates were wrong and the names were wrong."I may have been confused and may have "misspoken" to reporters"The memos Joe Wilson was referring to hadn't been seen by him, and weren't in U.S. hands until eight months after Wilson made his trip to Niger.
Lie #3
Claimed his trip yielded information proving that Iraq never sought uranium from Niger.
Wilson said that a former prime minister of Niger, Ibrahim Assane Mayaki, was unaware of any sales contract with Iraq, but said that in June 1999 a businessman approached him, insisting that he meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between Niger and Iraq -- which Mayaki interpreted to mean they wanted to discuss yellowcake sales. A report CIA officials drafted after debriefing Wilson said that "although the meeting took place, Mayaki let the matter drop due to UN sanctions on Iraq."According to the former Niger mining minister, Wilson told his CIA contacts, Iraq tried to buy 400 tons of uranium in 1998One can obviously see that Joe Wilson has a major credibility problem.
Wilson has inpeccible credentialsImpeccible credentials? For what? Used-car salesman?
Declaring war under false pretenses is a meaningless, little deceptionDeclaring war under false pretenses is not meaningless little deception. Fortunately, that never happened.
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That story in the Washington Post is over 1 year old.
I'm aware that the Senate Intelligence Committee report is over a year old, however, I don't feel as though it makes Joe Wilson's lies any less relevant.
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Exposing a CIA operative is not an 'off the cuff leak', it is a serious criminal offense, and in my mind, treason. Further, it was done as revenge for Ambassador Joseph Wilson's exposure of the fraudulent WMD claims of the US/UK coalition that Saddam had sought uranium from Nigeria. I urge you to read "The Politics of Truth", by Ambassador Joseph Wilson, husband of Valerie Plame
Nothing could be further from the truth. It seems to me, after carefully examining all relevant information, that Karl Rove was simply trying to correct what he percieved as inaccurate statements uttered from Joseph Wilson. One only has to examine the Senate Intelligence Committe report to find that Mr. Wilson seems to have a difficult time keeping his facts straight. Example:
Report Disputes Wilson's Claims on Trip, Wife's RoleFormer ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, dispatched by the CIA in February 2002 to investigate reports that Iraq sought to reconstitute its nuclear weapons program with uranium from Africa, was specifically recommended for the mission by his wife, a CIA employee, contrary to what he has said publicly.
Wilson's assertions -- both about what he found in Niger and what the Bush administration did with the information -- were undermined yesterday in a bipartisan Senate intelligence committee report.
The report also said Wilson provided misleading information to The Washington Post last June. He said then that he concluded the Niger intelligence was based on documents that had clearly been forged because "the dates were wrong and the names were wrong."
"Committee staff asked how the former ambassador could have come to the conclusion that the 'dates were wrong and the names were wrong' when he had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports," the Senate panel said. Wilson told the panel he may have been confused and may have "misspoken" to reporters. The documents -- purported sales agreements between Niger and Iraq -- were not in U.S. hands until eight months after Wilson made his trip to Niger.
Wilson said that a former prime minister of Niger, Ibrahim Assane Mayaki, was unaware of any sales contract with Iraq, but said that in June 1999 a businessman approached him, insisting that he meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between Niger and Iraq -- which Mayaki interpreted to mean they wanted to discuss yellowcake sales. A report CIA officials drafted after debriefing Wilson said that "although the meeting took place, Mayaki let the matter drop due to UN sanctions on Iraq."
According to the former Niger mining minister, Wilson told his CIA contacts, Iraq tried to buy 400 tons of uranium in 1998.
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Your arguments are so juvenile, they're not worth responding to. Try dicussing things like grown-ups. Please.