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It's a predictable outcome.
Trump and his admin were specifically vague about what "fixing the border" meant. They gave no metrics and I'm sure Trump didn't even know what Canada was proposing until yesterday.
It's like when a Union is negotiating a contract. There's no point in settling early. You can always get the most out of your opponent if you wait until the last minute.
This does show that the US may not be a reliable trading partner for the forceable future. If I was an exporting business in Canada, I would be looking to expand the markets I can sell into.
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Nothing's certain yet, but all the pundits seem certain that Dofo will call a snap election next week for February 28th.
Using the threat of Trump tariffs is the impetus is pretty smart.
In the Toronto area, they have been buying attack ads against the Liberal leader Bonnie Crombie for months now.
I would be shocked if he loses. But in 1990 the Liberal leader tried a snap election and that got Ontario an NDP government for the first time ever.
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16 hours ago, herbie said:
In his address at the WEF today. We're dealing with someone completely off his rocker.
And again it's not a serious proposal. He makes up Trade deficit figures and implies that exporters will pay for tariffs.
I'm almost certain they won't levy tariffs on Oil. That could result in an almost immediate increase in gas prices which is the one kitchen table issue people care about most.
I guess that's why Danielle Smith is going rogue, she wants the oil supply line to continue.
As for manufactured goods, that's the big issue. Canada has an natural advantage for manufacturing due to the cheaper cost for labour, due to universal healthcare and the lower dollar. I don't see how he does this without increasing the price of goods in the US.
And not only that, US firms doing business in Canada will immediately become uncompetitive with the counter tariffs.
I do like how Dofo has leveraged this "crisis" to try and get a third mandate. Prudent polytiking.
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2 hours ago, CdnFox said:
I tend to think you're right, but you just never know with him and that's the whole point of why he does this kind of stuff.
The only way he could do it February 1st would be to declare an economic emergency and do it through executive order, and that seems really unlikely and if he was he probably would announce it. So it seems like a bluff to keep people off guard. but you just never know with him.
It wouldn't have been mentioned at all if a reporter didn't open his stupid yap. Now the media is acting like it's fact and JT has to respond today.
Perhaps this is all for the best, it'll force Canada to diversify its export market.
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7 hours ago, CdnFox said:
Not 'will be'. May be. Just as he suggested he'd do it his first day in office 'maybe'. He's keeping people guessing, he's playing games.
It was an off the cuff remark. If he was serious he would have said it in his speech.
He had all this immigration stuff locked and loaded for day 1 but not the tariffs. When was the last time he mentioned Canada as a 51st state?
I could be proven wrong, but the idea of an External Revenue Service is idiocy. It's not the importers that pay tariffs. Has someone not explained that to him?
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Cooler heads have likely prevailed.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-tariffs-canada-first-day-1.7435957
QuoteU.S. President Donald Trump will not impose his promised tariffs on Canada, Mexico or China on his first day in office, according to multiple U.S. reports, giving this country something of a reprieve, at least for now.
Trump, who was sworn in as president just after noon on Monday, has been reviewing three options: a 25 per cent tariff on Canadian goods, a 10 per cent tariff on goods from all countries or an escalating tariff that starts low and rises over time, according to Canadian officials.
A Trump administration official confirmed to Reuters that Trump will hold off for now and instead direct agencies in a memo to "investigate and remedy persistent trade deficits and address unfair trade and currency policies by other nations."
Tariffs on Canada would increase the price of energy for most Americans.
He seems to think imposing Tariffs would be like an external revenue agency where he can tax other countries. That's not how tariffs work.
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The irony is lost on Trumpers that this whole election was about lowering the cost of living but staggering tariffs will do the opposite.
Trump says there's nothing Canada makes that the US needs. Well if that's the case why do they buy from us? Because it's cheaper or better?
How are US companies not screaming at Trump to not do this?Imagine an American company importing products from Mexico to export to Canada. Would that not be double tariffed?
One thing I haven't heard in a few days is about Canada becoming the 51st State. I think the focus groups Trump listens to have reported back to him how silly it makes him look to keep saying that.
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14 hours ago, BeaverFever said:
Finally a conservative acknowledges this fact! Can you now answer the age old question: If Canadian conservative supporters are more closely aligned with Democrats on policy, why do so many support republicans?
I don't think so many do. Just the blowhards you see online.
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It's just winning back the uncertainty created when this whole drama started in December.
But yeah, a change in government is required to win back confidence in Canada.
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11 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:
We would be the equivalent of Puerto Rico. We would not be allowed to vote in the US elections, since we would essentially be a US territory.
Then the only way that happens is with a hostile military take-over.
This time against a peaceful ally. If it wasn't my own country I'd find this entertaining AF.He has said 51st state, not a territory. Though this only makes sense with 10 new states. I don't think Trump realizes that Canada is a federation, Is he just going annex Quebec and do away with all their French laws?
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10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:
Canadians vastly overrate how much the Americans will notice
Canadians vastly underestimate America's willingness to put up with it, when it becomes a fight
softwood lumber is more expensive in America
yet notice how America has relentlessly fought the softwood lumber war for a decade now ?
Americans will pay higher prices, just to force Canada to kneel, make no mistake
in the face of ruinous 25% tariffs across the board ?
Canada will capitulate at the earliest opportunity, Canada would surrender right now it if could
Capitulate how? Let itself be annexed?
I still haven't heard a workable way to annex Canada that doesn't make US a permanently left-wing nation.
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5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:
Canada is far more protectionist than America is
Canada imposes plenty of tariffs, 100% tariffs on Chinese EV's just recently
Canada has an absurdly protected market, banning foriegn competition in many sectors
and Canada has supply management mafias which practically run the government
pardon me if I don't shed any tears for this so called "Canada"
simply because it is getting a taste of its own medicine, while absurdly at the same time claiming it to be "poison"
f8ck b!tch whiny hypocritical "Canada" and the Commie Liberal NDP horse it rode in on / shrugs
Sure, but this only proves to make life more expensive for Americans.
This is a bait and switch on the US electorate.
Do you think these tariffs are going to drop the price of Big 3 car?
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11 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:
“I can answer it. We are doing it because of habit and we are doing it because we like our neighbours, and we’ve been good neighbours. But we can’t do it forever and it’s a tremendous amount of money,” Trump said.
Americans buy Canadian goods out of the kindness of their hearts? And not because it's cheaper?
Tariff may not make it cheaper anymore, but it'll also make things more expensive for Americans. It'll also make American products much less competitive.
I know of a top US company in the industry I work in that gets products made in Mexico and shipped to Canada. I wonder what Trump's tariff's will do to them in the Canadian market?
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7 minutes ago, eyeball said:
Seems like it but given the apparent lack of concern verging on the thumbs up Trump appears to be giving Putin for annexing his neighbors...who really knows for sure. Trump has put in a fair bit of effort at bullying and threatening neighbors and allies alike so it's hard to imagine he won't follow through on something. Where, what and against whom he finally focuses on remains to be be seen he'll finally have to do something if he expects to be taken seriously at all.
I think the Tarifs are coming. But that only proves to hurt the Americans he needed to get elected.
But he clearly hasn't thought this 51st state thing through all that much.
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So for salvation you have to believe the world was made in 6 literal days, Noah could fit all the world's animal in a boat, and a human was swallowed by a whale and survived?
Gotcha!
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I'm sure this is mentioned in other threads, but I don't see a thread ABOUT it.
This is obviously a troll job. Getting Canadians all worked up. Now he can take credit for JT's resignation.
But why does everything this guy talk about have to be taken seriously.
Is he going to annex Canada? Make us a singular state? Or treat us fairly and admit each province as their own sub-sovereign territory. PEI gets a congressman and two senators? Quebec can form their own alternative party to screw with their two-party system?
We know he hasn't thought this through. It's just rhetoric. But I know this site is full of people that support Trump. What do you think the end-game here is? And if you are taking this seriously, how does this get done?
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For Trump the Troll is the predominant principal.
Imagine the US annexing Canada and suddenly absorbing at least 8 Blue States.
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Trump always starts from bluster to start out a negotiation.
Lots of US companies take advantage of the lower cost of labour in Canada to import products. This will hurt them as much as it hurts Canada.
We went through this already before the last free trade agreement was signed.
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3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:
You only saw what you wanted to see.
Lots of Repubs have come out condemning the comments.
It's telling you're cool with them.
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17 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:
On a lighter note, today's polling shows that Harris has increased her lead in Michigan and Wisconsin in the last 48 hours, and has a 0.3% lead in Pennsylvania. If she wins these 3 states, she will be President.
The fallout from the MSG rally has shifted the momentum back in Harris favor.
It's also defined the coverage of Trump.
That's how his campaign is ending.
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10 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:
Jon Stewart loved it and he's pretty far left.
He's also a comedian.
He was one of the best parts of the Tom Brady roast.
All that doesn't negate the fact that calling Puerto Rico a floating pile of garbage is politically ignorant.
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1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:
Appatently your fake outrage isn't sticking.
Sure. A roast comedian is gonna roast.
It's speaks to the Trump Campaign and their judgement that they thought that a person like this would appeal to voters.
Especially Latino voters.
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Ouch. Maybe screen some of the opening acts before letting them speak for your campaign.
QuoteComedian Tony Hinchcliffe, one of the openers for former President Donald Trump at his Madison Square Garden rally on Sunday, referred to Puerto Rico as “a floating island of garbage,” a joke that drew immediate criticism from Democrats and several Republicans—and led Trump’s campaign to distance itself.
The attack ad write themselves. If the goal is to court the Latino vote away from the Dems, I would suggest this backfired in their face.
I actually thought this dude was pretty funny on the Tom Brady Roast. . . but that's a roast, not a political rally.
They also let this gasbag speak:
https://www.instagram.com/grantcardone/reel/DBpDVTKvoc0/
I see this guy grifting on Instagram. If that's the type of dude the Republican party wants to represent them, it's not a party of the people.
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The issue here is that there's very few people that haven't made their mind up.
It's likely that those people aren't on team: Stop the Steal.
Not that Vance could have said that the 2020 election wasn't rigged and stay on the ticket.
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Tariffs on Canadian Goods
in Canada / United States Relations
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What does satisfaction even look like?
The trade deficit might even widen now that Canadians are looking to avoid buying American goods.
There aren't many KPI's to determine that Canada has eliminated the Fentanyl epidemic.
It seems like all Trump wants is the attention.