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That was not their choice, do the government offered compensation. See the difference?

Private businesses and sports teams are also "choosing" to make vaccination a requirement of employment. Do you think they should have the freedom to make that choice?

I disagree with people having the "choice" to make others sick. Get vaccinated or accept the consequences. Stop whining

You do fearmonger and use looney arguments. You don't cite because you can't.

My girlfriend's trainer got Covid; young, healthy, ate right, exercised plenty. He didn't die, but he was pretty sick. Several gyms around here have been closed for a while, due to outbreaks in the gym. So extending their lives doesn't matter, is that it? Anyway, you are wrong. It's been deadly to many people who'd otherwise could have lived years longer. But if it's comforting to you to believe all this claptrap, there's no way you'll change your mind short of getting the virus yourself.

Why, it makes perfect sense - suppress commerce, reduce taxes, make everybody poorer, engender riots and violence, destroy the country. That way, communists can take over and ummm ... keep everybody miserable. This is the goal of virtually every democratic country in the world. Conversely, communist countries are going through the same process (restrictions under the guise of Covid) so they can convert to democracy. This is the coming New World Order. /s

If people don't want to get vaccinated, fine, but they'll have to accept the consequences of their decisions. Harassing staff is unacceptable and should be punishable by a hefty fine, although we don't have the resources for that, unfortunately.

Do you believe everything you read on Facebook? A Facebook post claims Australians who are not fully vaccinated for COVID-19 by the end of the year will be put into isolation camps. There are no plans to put unvaccinated Australians into isolation camps – and the screenshot used to circulate the claim is from a hoax social media account. 7NEWS has a number of city and state-based Instagram accounts, including 7NEWS Melbourne, 7NEWS Sydney and 7NEWS Queensland, however it does not have an account with the handle “7newsvictoria”. No such user could be found on Instagram at the time of writing. In an email to AAP FactCheck, a spokesman for the media company said: “7NEWS has never published this and the account is fake.” But I get it; you'll insist your fake news is the real deal, because anything that makes you even a potential victim of government oppression must be true.

Excuse me? You're the one advocating that people not get vaccinated - be careful what you wish for. Your voice is added to the ones calling for millions more deaths because herd immunity is so much better. You're the one with zero common sense. Unvaxxed people are getting Covid and dying of it in far greater numbers than vaxxed people, but you're okay with that, as long as you don't have to be socially responsibly. Quickly googling something to support your views is not the same as being receptive to what experts and peer reviewed studies have shown throughout this pandemic. Don't act like quickly googling something to support your panic porn views is in any way the same as someone making informed decisions about their health. See how those words work both ways. Anyway, you're only worth ignoring at this point.

I've never said I want people sent to camps. But I suppose if you aren't able to see people as individuals and must instead lump them all together into some group so you can either "adore" or "hate" them, you'll believe I've said all the worst things people have said about anti-vaxers. Anyway, I'm getting bored. Can you do better to engage in a conversation, or are insults, misreprensentation and lies the best you can manage?

Wow, you must be losing this debate hard to bring up old arguments. Anyway, I don't disbelieve all conservative medical scientists; only the ones that join fringe organizations. Did you know there are roughly a million doctors in the US, along with about 4.7 million scientists? Did you know that about half of them are Republican? AAPS has around 5000 members, not all of whom are scientists or doctors. Since the majority of doctors, scientists and other experts support vaccines, I can only suppose that the majority of conservative doctors, scientists and other experts do as well. So I have no reason to disbelieve any doctor or scientist just because they are conservative. If an individual Muslim doctor joined the AAPS, I'd not believe him/her either. But I wouldn't automatically believe or disbelieve a Muslim doctor merely because they are Muslim. That's the difference between judging a "group" and judging "individuals". Maybe you could start addressing the comments I made on the video and your hero, rather than attacking me, hmm?

Oh, here he goes again - recommending "Covid parties" because "natural immunity" is the only way to beat Covid. Never mind the 600,000+ Americans who died, even without trying to get Covid on purpose - or the millions of the others around the world who've died. And people believe this. Geeze. Happy Goddess? Mere common sense debunks this charlatan.

LOL, this guy doesn't even understand how mutations work. He's claiming the virus won't mutate if the vaccine remains n the same "because it doesn't have to". Mutations don't care if they 'need' to or not; they just happen. Every day, in every organism, at the DNA level. Mutations can result from DNA copying mistakes made during cell division, exposure to ionizing radiation, exposure to chemicals called mutagens, or infection by viruses. Germ line mutations occur in the eggs and sperm and can be passed on to offspring, while somatic mutations occur in body cells and are not passed on. From the National Human Genome Research Institute.

1, Yes, I am -- at this moment. Muti-tasking as it were. 2. I'm discounting the organization he's speaking for. 3. Because even whackos can find an audience. You, for instance. 4. Any scientist that disproves your whacko sources is automatically dismissed by you without even a second thought or giving it any consideration. That much is obvious. Please what? I should listen to a group that promotes whacked out ideas, like "Obama is hypnotizing vast numbers of people" or "immigrants are spreading leprosy"? Who supported tobacco companies in their fight against banning indoor smoking? Give your head a shake.

The AAPS is a "medical" association for quacks and republican polticians - Rand Paul, for one. "In 1966, The New York Times described AAPS as an "ultra-right-wing ... political-economic rather than a medical group", and said some of its leaders were members of the John Birch Society.[4]" One of the members of AAPS has claimed that immigrants are bringing leprosy as part of an agenda to destroy American Health Care. The group advocated against bans on indoor smoking. I'm listening to the talk; it's full of fear-mongering hyperbole about the vaccine. No wonder Goddess is scared.

AAPS - The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons is a politically conservative non-profit association that promotes medical disinformation, such as HIV/AIDS denialism, the abortion-breast cancer hypothesis, vaccine and autism connections, and homosexuality reducing life expectancy. Wikipepedia What they oppose: abortion; gun control; health care reform (opposition to Texas House Bill 2029, which was written to address the medical workforce shortage and improve public access to healthcare); AAPS co-signed a letter to the Surgeon General of the United States Jerome Adams with the anti-LGBT group American College of Pediatricians, the Catholic Medical Association, and the pro conversion therapy group the Alliance for Therapeutic Choice and Scientific Integrity. APS published an article claiming that then-candidate Barack Obama was captivating his audiences through hypnosis. AAPS filed a lawsuit against the Food and Drug Administration to "end its arbitrary interference with the use of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ)."[63][64] The group's position was used to justify President Donald Trump taking HCQ as protection against COVID-19 by his campaign manager Brad Parscale.[65] Several AAPS members and supporters went on the record advocating for HCQ as an effective treatment against COVID-19, led by Ukrainian-American physician Vladimir Zelenko with a three-drug regimen of off-label hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and Azithromycin as part of an experimental outpatient treatment for COVID-19 that became known as the Zelenko Protocol How strange is it that a group you seem to think has the "truth" is on the opposite side of almost every other scientist - from promoting a debunked experimental cocktail of drugs to treat covid, while now promoting the danger of a treatment that has proven effective in reducing the transmission of Covid, as well as it's severity of the illness if it's contracted. Oh, I just heard your guy say "that people who've taken the vaccine are permanently disabled; the vaccine has only been available since December, not even a year so how can he possibly conclude there are permanently disabled people? Even long-haul Covid patients who have been affected up to a year and a half are not yet considered "permanently" disabled because the data isn't there, yet. It takes a lot longer than a few months to write off the ability of people to recover. So why is your guy claiming that people are permanently disabled within a few months at most? There's so much stuff he's claiming that don't make sense or are not supported by credible data. You should do some research on your 'sources', make sure they're credible and haven't promoted and supported whacko theories or campaigned against measures that would actually help people.

This is a levity-free zone.

She's not a deliverer, nor a packer (unless needed), nor a stocker. She does make more than they do, at about $30 an hour, but isn't a manager - she's part of the health and safety team. Bank paid her about $21 an hour, even with her extensive first aid training.

I have a friend who worked for a bank for over two decades. She quit to go work for Amazon, cause it pays more even at a starting salary.

So Manitoba was the only place - out of all the world - that even remotely supported your claims?

I was commenting on his use of qualifiers, not claiming I knew more than him. A lot of it was interesting, but using qualifiers and ending some of his claims with "crazy?" did not inspire me with confidence.

And throughout he uses qualifiers like "presumably" and "could" and offers possibilities along with his description of medical research.

Sure it did. Since you've decided not to provide cites I'll just file this under deliberate disinformation to further the agenda of Robert Kennedy et al. Right. So what other things do you avoid just in case it might be harmful? Walking outside? Driving? Cooking - might burn yourself, after all. Your arguments are very weak and you've supplied almost nothing to back them up.

Duh. But more likely from unvaxed because unvaxed more likely to get sick. Just like the flu: vaccination doesn't prevent every vaxed person from catching the flu, but it prevents a lot of flu. Using well known and understood facts about vaccines as fodder for anti-vax arguments us weird. You wish. "Skyrocketing among unvaxed". 20% of 37 million people is 7,400,000. That's a lot of opportunity for a virus. ?

I did some research as well, to see if I could independently substantiate your claim that "many scientists and doctors" are concerned. I found a few, but they didn't seem all that credible to me. Is Dolores Cahill one of your sources? Or, Michael Yeardon? Or maybe it was from the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons? Anyway, here's one for you: "Late last year, a semi-retired British scientist co-authored a petition to Europe’s medicines regulator. The petitioners made a bold demand: Halt COVID-19 vaccine clinical trials. Even bolder was their argument for doing so: They speculated, without providing evidence, that the vaccines could cause infertility in women. Social media quickly spread exaggerated claims that COVID-19 jabs cause female infertility." I won't quote this one regarding long term effects extensively, but the highlights: Vaccine hesitancy is being fueled by a coordinated disinformation campaign specific to this pandemic; Numerous spurious and scientifically illiterate arguments are used; While concern about long-term effects is reasonable, they are used by the most ardent, bad-faith antagonists and at their core, are simply an objection that we cannot know for certain what the future holds; Vaccines do not remove or significantly attenuate biological functions in your body; In contrast to many other drugs taken for extended periods of time, a vaccine is typically a single intervention; We know exactly which substances are present in the vaccine formulations, and we possess a detailed and thorough understanding of their properties and safety profiles; The risk of severe immunization-related complications declines to virtually nothing after about three months; The mountains of data we have available to us now show that COVID-19 vaccine-related complications are exceedingly rare, and occurring within 60 days of the vaccination; And a direct quote: "To put vaccine risk in perspective, consider the most frequent serious adverse event in any demographic: the rate of myocarditis in younger males. According to available evidence, if Fenway park were filled to capacity with some 37,000 fully vaccinated men aged 18 to 24, just two might experience transient myocarditis. By contrast, if all 37,000 of these men were unvaccinated and infected with the delta variant, many more would experience a diverse array of clinical outcomes, including extended periods in hospital, virus-induced myocardial injury, and diverse post-acute health complications described as “long COVID.” In other words, the sum of the diverse risks associated with vaccination are dwarfed by the diverse and incompletely understood risks posed by the novel coronavirus." Do you know where much of the information for the vaccine hesitant; anti-lockdown; anti-mask folk originates? From 12 social media influencers. How much of your "well-crafted, researched" beliefs came from one or more of these 12 social media influencers?