Yeah well your excessive compassion and empathy doesn't make you a better, whatever the heck it is you're trying to be.

So excuse me if I don't like it when I see you people giving each other high-fives and piling on your latest cause de jour. Another demon for you to point your fingers at, and say, "There goes a bad man."

So as to purge yourselves.

How strongly do you identify with Alex Jones, anyway?

Now that’s a good one.

And? What do we conclude from this

It’s a bit controversial. Safety can never be perfect. What benefits people in one way can cause issues for others in another way.

Like facemasks, for example.    

So you're saying that all 87,000 people the study followed had non-Covid health problems and that's why they had long Covid, or died.  All 87,000.  Enough with the idiocy.  

Yes.  They didn’t have COVID anymore.  They died as a result of their pre-existing comorbidities.  It’s even in the link you provided.  Covid perhaps made them worse.  It’s why high risk people need to be careful.

You use co-morbidities like a talisman you hope will keep you safe from Covid.  

At first Pfizer wanted 75 years to release the data associated with their vaccine.  A judge has now ordered it to be 8 months, thankfully.

Where do you find Vitamin D in 10,000 iu capsules? Are you sure it's safe at that high a dosage?

They are generally sold in 1000iu capsules or tabs.  I take whatever falls out of the bottle each day, sometimes it's 5 or 6, sometimes I take more if it's been a sunless week or so. 4000iu is recommended for normal people, for optimum health.  But in Canada, we generally need a bit more.

I'm not sure what is safe anymore, haha.  I just know I've taken vit d and a bunch of other stuff for 25 years, haven't had a cold or flu in almost a decade and rarely get sick.  2 years into the deadliest pandemic in human history (?) and I'm somehow still alive, watching all the double and triple jabbed get sick around me.  So Imma just continue doing what I'm doing. Knock on wood.....

Ontario university study shows CBD may offer some protection against COVID-19 (msn.com)

Cool.  I already do CBD oil and gummies, as well. 

Rue left in a huff because people were saying bad things about China.

Rue was suspended, shortly after a discussion about moderation with the moderators.  Maybe he also left in a huff, I dunno.

He became infuriated over the China topic, accused me of spreading hate about Chinese even though I was very careful to talk about the Chinese government and present all kinds of articles which were clearly about them and their actions both abroad and here in Canada. I suspect the argument over moderation was caused by that for he disappeared about then.

Good news!!

It is always a good thing when restrictions are slowly lifted, and i don't want to sound hysterical here, but there are going to be lots of people out of work very soon, and people still being refused medical care , those are still in place. 

And they can be called out on their racism too, DF.

So racist, entitled black men are ok then.

 

Especially if they have deep voices...

It's COVID patients that caused all this. And with Anti-Vaxxers poised to fill ICUs up again this fall, we'll see more strain. 

The big problem with COVID patients and nurses is that untrained nurses are moved to help in ICUs because that's all they can do. It's not what they trained for. 

There's a massive Nursing shortage all over right now. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-health-care-workers-warn-of-brutal-nurse-shortage-as-hospitals-brace-for-4th-wave-1.6150255

 

Now the trend is upward again, but the numbers are not.

As more people get infected, more will end up in hospital.  Over 90% of the people who end up in hospital due to Covid are unvaccinated.

How about a huge backlog of non-covid patients, cancer and heart disease who are waiting on hold for their diagnostics and treatment.

As more people sick with Covid take up hospital beds and staff resources, the fewer beds/resources are available to people with heart disease, cancer etc.   Unless you are suggesting that critically ill Covid patients be refused hospital care, so that less critically ill patients can receive care?

 There is no serious discussion about providing better resources to hospitals so that we can accommodate both the covid patients and the other serious health issues people face at large. Many of which typically kill more each year than covid.

Over 90% of the people who end up in hospital due to Covid are unvaccinated.  Rather than expecting government (and taxpayers) to subsidize the irresponsibility of anti-vaxers, anti-maskers and misinformation spreaders, do your part and get vaccinated, practice and support mask-wearing and stop spreading misinformation.  

And, there are only so many nurses and other medical professionals available.  Many have already quit due to the stress of dealing with extremely ill and dying patients, with no end in sight (thank you anti-vaxers, anti-maskers, misinformation spreaders for ensuring there will continue to be lots of sick people).   It takes years to train up new medical personnel; they won't be ready in time for this crisis.  The best we could hope for is more help for the next one.

Many of which typically kill more each year than covid.

Over 90% of the people who end up in hospital due to Covid are unvaccinated.  Are you suggesting that these critically ill patients be refused beds in favor of less critically ill patients?   I'm sure if someone with heart disease/cancer/etc. is as sick or sicker than a Covid patient, they'll be triaged in.  But those who are not so critically sick, won't be.  If you are worried about these people not having their diseases even diagnosed, then get vaccinated, wear a mask, support those who do, and stop spreading misinformation.

If anti-vaxers/etc. were really concerned about cancer patients/heart patients/drug addicts/old folks/etc., the way they claim to be, they'd get vaccinated, wear a mask and stop spreading misinformation while bleating about their "right" to put others at risk.

All of the problems you highlighted are real. The difference is I’m saying this does not need to be a zero sum game. We must be more pragmatic in our thinking. Like this;

Problem, solution.

Getting the vaccine or not is only "private" information to an anti-vax lunatic who knows they're view is outside the norm. Therfore, someone I don't want to vote for. 

 

I vote for people based on policy.  Not the eroding of rights and freedoms based on virtue signalling.  

Seems the CPC would be a party of Anti-Vaxxers. 

I'm unsure what good policies they have, right now actually. At least JT has some proposals like Universal Childcare. 

If I were an old guy who’s lived a great life, hunting, fishing, chasing skirts would I want to deny that to some young lads just getting started in their life? No. And I are one.

He gained lots of attention and was probably targeted.

In other news, ten million guys who weren't vaccinated,, lived...

Again with OW and his Pro-Death stance. 

I think many right-wing people are pretty ok, they just don't happen to be on this forum, for the most part.   

Man falls out of a high window and lands with a splat on the pavement below....but not before bouncing off a pedestrian...killing both instantly. Autopsy revels that the man who fell tested positive for COVID-19.

Headline reads:

COVID-19 now airborne! Kills instantly!

 

My problem isn't so much with rightwingers as people, it's the defensiveness they've built around their pet beliefs and refusal to examine the things they believe in and why they believe them.

For the record, I see the same thing in a lot of liberals, who according to the sociologist who wrote the big book on authoritarianism about 20 years ago- Robert Altemeyer, conservatism is supposed to become the favored ideology of closed-minded people who feel a need to protect their favorite beliefs. While liberals are supposed to be open-minded and more prone to examine and test their beliefs with real world evidence. And I sure as hell am not seeing much of that anymore! Hence the ideological shelling from one side on the other, looks like it's a permanent thing that will go on without end!

You’re not a traitor.  Just ill-informed.

Feel the same about you, Shady.

I wonder who will get those shots. Trudeau's uber-elite class of friends, I'll bet. The lucky sons o' bitches... 

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5844314

All Canadians who want a shot will be vaccinated by September 2021, public health agency says

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/12/16/dr-fauci-says-us-could-return-to-normal-by-mid-fall-if-most-people-get-covid-vaccine.html

 

Dr. Fauci says U.S. could return to normal by mid-fall if most people get Covid vaccine

 

Fall, September, tomato, tomatto.  

States are a lot worse off than Canadians, so it's good to know that even with almost 10 times the population, they're on track to complete immunization the same time as Canada.

And, having more people, I certainly expect that they'd have more people vaccinated than Canada at every point throughout the year.  

....just shows you:  laws are just lip-service if they aren't enforced!

That there will be idiots, is to be expected.  But the leaders should have anticipated that and should have had a clear plan on how to deal with them.

Who’s Dr. Bonnie?

Your family doctor?

Are anti-maskers still allowed to be harassed?

Ever heard of "Scamdemic"?  Ever noticed anyone claiming that "its just the flu",  that "its the same as the flu", that "its no worse than the flu", thst "all deaths from flu/pneumonia/heart attacks/stroke/etc are being reported as Covid deaths", that "MSM is lying", that "Masks are a path to totalitarianism, communism, death of democracy".  Ever noticed anti-mask or anti-shutdown protests?

All of that is misinformation and more people die than need to because that misinformation convinces them the risk is marginal and they don't need to take it seriously.  Then they get sick and die, still denying that its Covid killing them.

So sad, so unneccessary.  We'd have plenty enough deaths without the deniers spreading their lies and fake news.

 

What YOU are hearing here is that some folks suspect that Red China made and released this virus onto an unsuspecting world...either by design or accident.

They built it to do just what it does...just enough of a threat that everybody has to do the dance. 

Either way...let's be clear...bat virus bad.

Now...WHY VIRUS???

That's a more interesting question........

Why is Communist China (there are two if you recall...Taiwan the other) making deadly bioweapons in the first place? Don't say: 'everybody does it' because they do not. 

Are you paranoid?

Way to be a puppet of China. 

Yeah, we're all part of a cult, I probably shouldn't be telling you this, but...

Does that mean good bye?

Or.....is that the white flag?

Trumptards - keep it classy

You should really look at up to date economic data.  You’ll realize you’re completely wrong.  Sweden is back to life before covid.

Watch the video from NBC news.

I watched it; how else would I know that it's a bunch of reassuring images?

How is an economic downturn the same or greater than neighbors, combined with more deaths than their neighbors, a "success", Shady.  Can you answer that?  

Here's another reality-based examination of Sweden's response, from scientists and researchers within Sweden, which the  - https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/10/it-s-been-so-so-surreal-critics-sweden-s-lax-pandemic-policies-face-fierce-backlash.

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In the population as a whole, the impact of Sweden’s approach is unmistakable. More than 94,000 people have so far been diagnosed with COVID-19, and at least 5895 have died. The country has seen roughly 590 deaths per million—on par with 591 per million in the United States and 600 in Italy, but many times the 50 per million in Norway, 108 in Denmark, and 113 in Germany.

From the International Monetary Fund, a paper examining the economic performance of Sweden's non-lockdown policy: 

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By contrast, the economic ramifications of a less stringent containment strategy remain uncertain. As of September 2020, IMF staff, the Swedish authorities, the National Institute of Economic Research (NIER), and commercial banks all project a severe recession in Sweden, ranging from around -5 to -3 percent. Although the range of the projected contraction is less steep than the average forecast for advanced economies, it is not much different from some other Nordic countries.  In Sweden’s case, the evidence on erosion remains mixed, not least because GDP growth in 2020:Q2 was worse than in peers, while the cumulative performance in 2020:H1 remains relatively favorable.

And, as many resources I looked at have mentioned:

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We also argue that the economic impact of the containment strategy depends on social behavior, demographics and the structure of the economy, and it is still premature to judge the outcome of Sweden’s containment strategy as it will depend on developments in the next quarters.

The full story is not yet written, but so far there seems no particularly upside to Sweden's approach.

Trump has admitted to downplaying the virus though. 

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Now, it seems, Biden has undergone a dramatic transformation on the issue, lauding the Supreme Court for its decision in June Medical Services v. Russo.

“Women’s health care rights have been under attack as states across the country have passed extreme laws restricting women’s constitutional right to choice under any circumstance,” Biden said in a statement. “Today the U.S. Supreme Court reaffirmed that states cannot put in place laws that unduly burden a women’s right to make her own health care decision with her doctor.”

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/joe-biden-endorses-abortion-under-any-circumstance-in-statement-after-scotus-ruling

 

Therefore, he doesn't disagree with late-term or partial abortions.

 

Biden/Harris have only said they want to codify Roe vs. Wade, which leaves the States free to set their own laws regarding abortion once the fetus is viable.

 

Which mean...... Biden/Harris will support late-term and partial abortion should the state make it their law!