Hal 9000

Completely false!

You clearly miss the point.

Since when do the Girl Guides need a communications and marketing manager to go the the press and announce that they wouldn't be vacationing in the USA? Did they also announce that they wouldn't be travelling to the Netherlands? Somehow, I doubt it.

I haven't made Trump the victim, I've stated that the Girl Guide media rep is taking a political stance - which she clearly is. Look at her history and her experience, she's a professional and knows exactly what angle she's taking. Do you disagree that making a press statement against Trump is a political statement. Seriously dude, your posts are looking more like Bubbers and Impact's every day - pull yourself together, you're a mod, not a troll.

Good FKN grief! See everybody - see how easy it is sell the victim angle - to seemingly reasonably intelligent people.

No, not lie. There are many reasons for going or not going somewhere. Aren't you currently arguing about tourism dropping in western europe and the reason for that ? What I'm saying is that they could've said to the kids and parents "we're going to Banff, Tofino or Peggy's cove this year", instead they chose the route of "president Trump hates brown people, so some of you might get stopped at the border". Therefore, they made it what they wanted to make it - political, and what they're teaching these young girls is that claiming victim status is more noble than looking for a better solution and moving on.

If they choose to go elsewhere, great. They could check on travel visas, but they didn't. They could travel within Canada and show these girls what Canada has to offer, maybe that's the statement they should release - but, they didn't. They claimed victim status when they released that press statement. They could have said anything they wanted, they chose the political route.

There's not much to discuss, some people look for solutions, many others take comfort in the victim role. The victim role can take away accountability and/or provide a passive aggressive statement. Everything we've seen on the news is based around fear and victims - ho hum! Ashley Judd has been antagonizing Trump supporters every chance she gets, then someone confronts her and all of a sudden, she's a victim in need of a safe space. Why is she a victim? Because, like all victims, they get something out of it. This girl guide thing is a political statement, nothing more - "Look what the mean old president Trump is doing to these poor girls". As I said, Isn't it obvious?

Isn't it obvious?

Everybody wants to be a victim!

This whole sequence is off topic.

The original point remains, Muslims have a belief system that I dislike, therefore I am Anti-Islamic. I don't fear them and I can't in good conscience justify what they do - as people like you and Dialamah seem able to. Do, I believe that our system is better, do I believe that our justice is better, our tolerance, our culture, our politics? Absolutely! Am I personally better that the vast majority of Muslims based on my belief system versus theirs? Again, absolutely!

You clearly have no understanding of what stoning entails, who is punished, who carries out the stoning and what rules are associated with stoning...eg, there is actually a certain size stone that is acceptable - you should probably watch a stoning sometime.

To believe stats, one must believe the source, believe the methods used in obtaining stats and believe the word of those questioned. Some lean a little to your side, some to mine - fair enough, but if your argument is that in a country like Egypt, 57% of the entire population believes that a teenage girl should be buried up to her shoulders and have rocks, small rocks as to not kill her too quickly, thrown at her head until she is dead - well, I think I'll stick with my assessment.

I don't object to being called "anti" Islamic, I am. I don't believe in women as second (or lower) class people, I don't believe girls should be stoned for adultery, I don't believe gays should be executed, honour killings - so on and so forth, I don't believe in these things that 80 or 90% of muslims believe. So, I guess it is fair to say that I'm "Anti" Islamic. I don't want any of that philosophy creeping into Canada. Because I'm not actually afraid of muslims, I don't consider myself "Islamaphobic", however the expression of being Anti-Islamic is perceived (or twisted) by the left as Islamaphobia for one simple reason - to downplay and belittle the Idea. The use of the word "phobia" (as in homophobia) in these cases, is simply to pivot the conversation from "dislike" to "fear" - essentially the left pivoting from defence (defending Islam) to offence (your fear is irrational).

In before Diahlmah arrives to compare this with some Christian cult like the Davidians.

Certain neighbourhoods is the operative term. A person can go to Chicago or Detroit and feel pretty safe provided they don't go into black neighbourhoods. The problem is; the terrorists aren't tied to a certain neighbourhood, they're targeting places vacationers will go or transit services they'll use. Besides, if the best argument is to compare Europe to the worst neighbourhoods in Chicago or Detroit, you must know the argument isn't going your way.

What are the chances of having your child abducted? Pretty minuscule actually. So again, using Dialamah's risk chart, it's pretty irrational to be worried about a baby left alone in a car parking lot.

No, it's not going to change - and why should it, as you said, It's working extremely well for them. Fact is; it's only gonna get worse in Europe as their numbers increase. When we have westerners and politicians walking around with signs saying "I am Muslim" and feminists are displaying pictures of a woman in a "stars and stripes" hijab as the new feminist, well, it's pretty hard to suggest that Muslims are reforming to a more liberal view.

I think it was me that referred to them as "rats", which I've already been admonished for. Anyway, It doesn't matter if name-calling will lead to reform or not, do you really think Islam is going to reform? C'mon...do you? All evidence shows is that their belief system is spreading. Look at how the governments of Germany and Sweden (France, Belgium etc etc ) cover up for the rapes and sexual abuse. They all preach how we should be tolerant to their belief system and teach them "how to NOT rape women". Why when muslims come to a western country is it up to us to show them understanding and tolerance when there is no way in hell they'd do the same for westerners. Look around and see what's happening in Europe, muslims are not reforming - we are.

What context do you need? If you leave your baby in a car and go shopping or to the bar, chances are, the baby will still be there and alive when you get back - so, why all the fuss? Why do people call the police and social services when the chance of your baby being murdered is so much less than falling in a bathtub (or whatever lame comparison is in fashion).

But, you would agree that it's irrational to feel the need to take your toddlers with you into a store, right?

So...not all equal rights hating countries are muslim, but all muslim countries hate equal rights?