Hal 9000

Look, putting a little extra cheese on the plate to ensure that someone sells to you is quite normal, common and legal. This is why sometimes people offer more than the asking price for certain items including real estate. Putting a little extra cheese on the plate to ensure that that person buys from you is corruption and illegal. This is why handing someone in power money so that they'll turn around and give you a contact is unlawful. EG. If SA offers a few million dollars in goodwill whilst purchasing $100Billion in helicopters, this is OK. Whereas, If SA offers the secretary of state (or their foundation) $10million and receives a very large contract in return, this is not OK. There is a clear difference.

So, it's about the caliphate - good. Now, what will make them stop the terror attacks?

Yeah, correct. Typing too fast - my bad.

How is that corrupt, it happens in real estate all the time?

Firstly, from what I understand, not all the money was from the Saudi's and secondly, it would seem that it was an outside idea and was never asked for.

...And another thing, I was gonna explain this to Omni, but I might as well talk to my house cat, but...everytime someone donated to The Clintons, they wound up with a deal that had them selling (or making money). Dealing with Trump (or Ivanka) it was exactly opposite. It was donating money, then signing a buyer's deal. Big difference.

OMFG! That's exactly the point. Holy FCK. "You want our Helicopters, you'd better pay up". "And, sign a deal with a couple other US companies too". It's like you people have never heard of "Art of the deal" or understand business.

They already got what they were expecting - the 110$Mil Arms deal. You'd know that if you understood the way Trump deals.

So, what do you think the goal of ISIS is? I don't mean short term "make us hate Muslims" crap, but long term. What is the end goal?

I've never had any issue where Hillary got money - and I think you'll find that post a few pages back. The issue is what is done with that money. Hillary claimed to be a champion of women, took money from SA and pretty much kept it, then may or may not have given favours to SA. If Ivanka takes their money and uses it for the intended purpose, then good on her. If not, then we can compare and criticize. I've always maintained that we and/or americans have to do business with countries who have human rights violations - it's not the best scenario, but if we didn't, we'd not do any business at all. Even Canada is a huge human rights violator as far as the U.N is concerned. The Saudi's are sheet bags - no doubt, but if we can use their money for the betterment of society, well.....so be it.

The part that really infuriates me is this; They've arrested 8 people, there is likely way more that were involved. All those people have family and friends, so it would be inconceivable that many of those people didn't know something was going down. These MF'ERS said nothing. That's what is concerning, liberals will claim one terrorist or a small group of disenfranchised muslims, but the amount of people who knew this was going to happen and showed either support or simple indifference is staggering. This is why I call them rats. I could use the word reptiles - either way, they're inhuman to allow that attack to happen.

Muslim terrorism isn't about getting us to hate Muslims, it's about getting us to cower to their belief system. It's about changing our society and our culture, and it's about crushing our economy. People can claim "diversity is our strength" or "we won't let them change us" until the cows come home. Fact is, it's wrong! Westerners simply don't have the stomach or the will to fight what they know - or should know. It's like the bullied kid who tries to put on a brave face by saying they can handle it, fact is, they're terrified and know the easy route is to just keep their head down and hope for better days - ain't gonna happen. They're already talking about having the military stand guard over concerts and sporting events - yeah, "it won't change us"...indeed.

Are all those dead and mangled girls paranoid. Would I be paranoid if I were to predict another muslim terrorist attack? Do you think that we've seen the last of the terrorism?

They have no travel ban in the UK. There they let Muslims go fight for ISIS and come back free and clear - how's that going for them? Do you think Trudeau will allow muslims to go fight for ISIS and return home - of course he will! Some of the more idiotic comments i've heard are; ISIS wants a reaction, ISIS wants a travel ban...Bull! ISIS wants people who can travel back and forth without question, they want to use our liberal laws against us - that's what they want. ISIS sits back and laughs their asses off at just how stupid western liberals are - I guarantee it!

No, what you people don't have is fore site. What you don't have is an understanding of "cause and effect". What you don't have is the ability to learn from the mistakes of others.

Taxme quoted 25-30% and they'll be pushing sharia law. I disagree, as we've seen in Europe, it only takes about 5% to begin demonstrations and bombings. Once, like in Europe, they have their own communities, we'll see exactly what we see there - no go zones, no women areas etc. We're on our way! What makes any of you people really believe that these people will be any different than they are in Sweden, England, France, Germany, Brussels or anywhere else where their numbers are increasing? What? Do you people believe that we'll only get the "good muslims"? Really? No, we can see our future simply by looking across the pond - it's very simple really. And, about the "quiet neighbour", "jaded youth" or "lone wolf" bull crap, this guy wasn't any of these. The police have arrested his father and 2 brothers who were also involved and planning their own attack - any many more muslim rats knew about it - WTF does that tell you? Depending on what polls you trust, and what vernacular you use anywhere between 20% and 65% of muslims approve of this type of "war", approve of bombing young girls. Lets take the low end of 20%, we have a 1 million Muslims in this country - that's 200,000 people who are just fine with what we saw in Manchester - does that not sicken you liberals even a bit?

Is there anyone who doesn't believe that once the muslim numbers increase in Canada, we'll start seeing terrorist attacks too and look very much like France, Germany and England? IOW - does anyone not understand that we're inviting terrorism into our lives?

No, you don't get it! These countries need the USA and all the help that USA gives them. It gives me no joy to side with BC on the issue, but the fact is; they need whatever the USA can give them - they won't piss off Trump. It pains me to say, but the USA is the bodyguard of the world.

Whatever! I hate to sound like BC, but neither of those countries (especially Israel) can afford to play hardball with Trump. They may say what ever they have to for their citizens, but they'll do whatever Trump tells them to do.

You should probably re-read my post.

WCR - Just another feminist hating a woman because she actually does something productive rather that play the victim role - so sad!

Good grief, not this crap again. They both knew the rules. Hillary in her arrogance thought she could run the table and tried to turn republican states while ignoring her base - that's all that happened here. BTW - One touchdown is worth more than 2 field goals.

If Obama can skate away with not a word from the press or intelligence agencies for his meddling and Hillary after releasing classified info then destroying evidence can be considered an "oopsy", then I hardly think what Trump did is worthy of all this. This isn't about the "what", it's about the "who", it's all political. And, I think that the people who won the election, won't take it too well if in their perception Trump gets railroaded.

Not joking, it's a clearly an attempted coup. And yes, things will be very interesting if it works.