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  1. Trump such a fine person, for cheating on his wife with a pron star, paying her off illegally then lying about it repeatedly. Not that I care so much, but it's fascinating to see how he massed the intellectually and morally challenged into an army of online dummies using only anger.
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  2. So your argument is that this enormous mob could not have overtaken the 300 million citizens of the United States? Hmm. Well, it certainly seems that they overtook the United States Capitol, both the Senate and House chambers, and they caused every member of Congress to flee for their lives, during the transfer of Presidential power. Those are facts. If the rioters remained there until midnight on Jan 6, could Joe Biden have been able to legally become President? Because the law says the votes must be counted on the 6th. Not the 5th, not the 7th. What if the rioters continued past the House and Senate chambers, found the Senators and Congressmen, and killed Mike Pence and all the Democrats? Now what? Those are real scenarios. The officeholders and their staffers certainly feared for their lives. Even Josh Hawley was caught on tape running from the rioters. So he was just as afraid as any of them. Crime involves motive and intent. The intent behind the riot was to prevent Joe Biden from becoming President and ensure that Donald Trump remained President. The motive was Donald Trump himself, who falsely claimed that his election was “stolen,” who told his followers to come to Washington on Jan 6, and who encouraged them to March to the Capitol and “Stop the Steal.” And, by the way, they did march peacefully to the Capitol. There was no violence on the March to the Capitol. They peacefully marched and THEN they tried to “Stop the steal,” just as Trump had commanded them to do.
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  3. Legally, war is not an international crime. Kidnapping 16,000 children, however, is a crime.
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  4. I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like this in the media before. Why I blew the whistle on Chinese interference in Canada’s elections When I joined the public service many years ago, I swore an oath. Not to party or to person, but to my country, to its democratic institutions and to my fellow Canadians. When I first became aware of the significance of the threat posed by outside interference to our democratic institutions, I worked – as have many unnamed and tireless colleagues – to equip our leaders with the knowledge and the tools needed to take action against it. Months passed, and then years. The threat grew in urgency; serious action remained unforthcoming. I endeavored, alone and with others, to raise concerns about this threat directly to those in a position to hold our top officials to account. Regrettably, those individuals were unable to do so. In the time that passed, another federal election had come and gone, the threat of interference had grown, and it had become increasingly clear that no serious action was being considered. Worse still, evidence of senior public officials ignoring interference was beginning to mount. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-whistleblower-china-canada-election-interference/
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  5. You think fourth graders already know who Rosa Parks is? Isn’t the fact of history very clear? Segregation was the law throughout the South, and Rosa Parks was jailed because she refused to give up her seat on a bus to a white person, which sparked non-violent civil rights protests? Isn’t that the truth?
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  6. They should assume that the MOB she is leading through that broken down door will do WHAT THEY WERE CLAIMING THEY WOULD DO. Did you HEAR them saying "Hang Mike Pence" and "Where's Nancy?" Seems like YOU'RE OBLIVIOUS to the REALITY of who was BEHIND Babbitt.
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  7. When did criticizing a lame assed opposition equate to supporting who's being opposed?
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  8. This is our culture now... keyboard warriors who want participation trophies for having an opinion instead of reading books, learning, and engaging in good faith discussion to develop knowledge. Go back to your gaming...
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  9. Like a psycho killing a child out of endless love? Sure. Makes sense... in a psycho reality.
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  10. Seeing this is about canadian sovereignty why don't you leave it to Canadians to discuss. You can go back to your drivel elsewhere.
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  11. Thing is the problem is only going to get worse because the CCP wants it that way. As a voter who generally goes Liberal, I’m none too impressed by JT calling Opposition criticism of his choice of rapporteur ‘horrific’. Such a term should generally be reserved for the actions of murderous tyrants like Putin and his friend across the border. Let’s face it, we’re not going to stop PRC interference in our elections (and everything else) any day soon - it’s a global initiative after all - but we should at least stiffen resistance while we still run this country. I’m tilting towards a public inquiry to see how far the rot has already set in, but focused on our government’s actions or lack thereof. The testimony of Chinese dissidents here tells us in no uncertain terms that the threat is real and growing.
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  12. Putin has deported over 16,000 Ukrainian children to Russia. That’s some Hitler-level cruelty.
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  13. Lol yeah ok lets unpack this moronic Claim: 1) Out of all the “angry and riotous mobs” at the Capitol Epps was the only person there who suggested anyone enter the capitol. It never would have occurred to anyone m. if only Epps hadn’t said anything! 2) Apparently suggesting that another grown adult do something makes you responsible for any decisions they make. ALL THE MOBS WERE UNDER HIS MIND CONTROL. ALL OF THE HUNDREDS WHO ENTERED THE CAPITOL DID SO BECAUSE HE TOLD THEM. HE ALONE IS RESPONSIBLE. The levels of self-gaslighting MAGAs have to subject themselves to in order to believe this stuff is astounding. Epps is one of your own MAGA scum, who turned rat to save his own hide after the fact and now has to live in hiding from his former scumbag friends.
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  14. After forty-three years, the has come out: An attorney confessed that he and John Connelly, working for Reagan, convinced the Iranians to keep fifty-three Americans in captivity, promising them Reagan would give them “a better deal.” Connelly was subsequently named Secretary of the Navy by Reagan History tells us the rest: The hostages were held in Iran 444 days, and released January 20, 1981, just minutes after Ronald Reagan was sworn in. And after that, we know for a fact that the Reagan Administration illegally sold arms to Iran through France and Japan. Full Coverage here: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/18/us/politics/jimmy-carter-october-surprise-iran-hostages.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
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  15. DeSantis, Carlson Burned, annihilated to dust cities; bombed hospitals, schools and maternity wards. Hundreds, probably thousands of documented war crimes... only a "territorial dispute". A decision to participate in other people's war is an important one; it should not be taken lightly; objectivity and honesty; remembering the lessons of the past and the principles is an important part of it too. "Territorial dispute", really? This is what you call a brutal invasion by a power-hungry dictator; not a bit better than that of Hitler in the past war? "Territorial dispute between Germany and Poland, 1940?"? "Should not have provoked Hitler?" Liar. For whatever reasons, if one begins ones path with a lie of this proportion, what else is there to see? Where would it develop? How can you take it back, words burned into the history? It's sad and pathetic that for whatever reasons this individual has chosen to lie to achieve whatever purposes, appeal to whoever. He does not have to like Ukraine or support it. He can have a different opinion. But he chose to lie. In the world of tomorrow, if Putin is allowed to prevail, run by emboldened and encouraged Putins, Uns and any imaginable crazy dictator stuff with nukes you gonna focus on your more important priorities? Brainless. Stupid. The take is clear: he did not find other, honest ways to make a convincing point. And, there's no reason to expect that having done it in this obvious, as clear as can be moral case he wouldn't do it again. Nothing else to see here. End of the story.
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  16. Says they're coming to arrest him, and the people of America must come out and take their country back. Mango Mussolini is becoming increasingly dangerous I'd say
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  17. Let me make something very clear to you: These efforts of DeSantis are not intended to keep children from feeling ashamed of being white. They are intended to indoctrinate these children with the sense of American infallibility. And if you believe the government has always been good and always just and always right, why… you certainly wouldn’t oppose the next war they tell us we need to fight, right?
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  18. EXCLUSIVE: Jessica Sutta, Former Pussycat Dolls Member: ‘I Was Severely Injured by the Moderna Vaccine’ (theepochtimes.com) In the interview, the courageous girl-band singer speaks eloquently (and often tearfully) about her devastating experience, including the pressure not to speak out, her agonizing muscle spasms, the bizarre gaslighting by her doctors, her excruciating small-fiber neuropathy, her multiple hospital experiences (“I won’t step foot in another hospital ever again”), her spinal lesions, having MS symptoms without the disease, her terror at how her condition is getting progressively worse, and described how her former friends think she’s doing something morally wrong by talking about it all. Tellingly, after begging for months, when Jessica finally got her doctor to approve seeing a neurologist, Jessica said the first thing the new doctor asked her was “when did you get the vaccine?” She broke down in tears of relief. And after reviewing her case, the neurologist told her, “I think you’ve had an adverse reaction.” He was the first doctor in a long string of doctors who was even willing to consider the possibility the new mother had been vaccine injured. Jessica’s interview is candid, poignant, and personal. She described the pressure in Hollywood from other celebrities and industry players to get the vaccine “for the community,” the pressure from her beloved, trusted doctor to vaccinate during her pregnancy and how she resisted until after her son was born, and what it means for her career to speak out (“it’s one of the worst things I could ever do”).
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  19. Banning books, falsifying history with “patriotic” support of the ruling class’s narratives Those are all acts of fascism
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  20. It's just what Donald does. Incite violence when he doesn't get his way. Just like his angry moronic followers. Each and every one of them an infantile piece of shit that never learned to own up to their own actions.
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  21. No. After his election, Donald Trump appointed an attorney general, who named a special prosecutor, Republican Robert Mueller, to investigate Russian election interference. That investigation resulted in many, many jail sentences for Trump campaign workers and associates. 34 individuals were charged with crimes, and eight were convicted.
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  22. You mean when the people of Ukraine fired their Putin puppet and got invaded for their trouble?
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  23. A diversion typical for stinky, criminal Russia. Speaking of the crimes, evil of this magnitude and proportion difficult to find proper words for it. Trivialization, laughing off Hitler's crimes, Holocaust? Sure. Part of it is certainly the environment of inborn chauvinism and propaganda, but still what would it take to take natural predisposition to accept despotism and totalitarianism, even in their most obvious, criminal forms from so many intellectuals of Russian origin?
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  24. I've begun to think that you calling these people "tractors" is not really fair. And I'd like you to stop. Tractors do important work and are useful.
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  25. That is exactly why immigration keeps increasing. Along with the belief that immigrants will vote Liberal, of course. That's a big part of Trudeau's enthusiasm for higher immigration. Plus his shallow, globalist nature and complete lack of connection or concern for English Canada's heritage and values. Canadians born and raised here, at least prior to the last ten or twenty years, were imbued with the philosophy and beliefs of western cultural values, including a bedrock belief in justice and in democracy and freedom. Newcomers from outside the West, which is the great majority, have no such cultural background, no such reflexive understanding of the need to compromise and respect others' beliefs. Expecting them to have the same respect for what Canadians do is illogical. And as we bring them in so fast they're not having an opportunity to integrate, nor are their kids. The reason the idea of testing and judging potential immigrants according to their beliefs and how they match up with ours so outraged the Left, including the entire mainstream media, was that it was based on the unspoken presumption that our values were generally better. Or that we had a right to want people whose values were like ours. That would only seem reasonable to an ordinary Canadian, but not to the 'elites' in charge of the media, arts, and academia. They regard any assumption we are better than Afghanistan, never mind India or China as racist and xenophobic. Our healthcare has been getting lousy for decades. It's no longer getting there. It's there. And yes, Citizenship is cheap when we process applications with less care and concern than applications for drivers licences, and offer up a 20 minute multiple choice/true or false test to get a passport, then let people check a box online rather than even show up and swear an oath of loyalty.
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  26. for the purposes of national security, there is only one Commander-in-Chief
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  27. It should be noted how in commie dictatorships, they get rid of their opponents by having them arrested.
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  28. So he doinks a porn star, and because the justice system calls him out he wants a revolution. Classy and very Trumpian. Can't wait to see him go down in flames again
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  29. but why ? why do they do that ? what is their motivation ? why do Canadian politicians place party before country ?
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  30. I defend & uphold the Declaration of Independence as the light of civilization itself none the less, I was a Canadian soldier, I am a Canadian decorated veteran thus I took on additional obligations to the British Crown of my own free will I will not be the one to break my oath as Americans stand by the oaths that they take of their own free will furthermore, America & the British Crown are not enemies where I come from we are stalwart allies brothers in arms, defending the free world, since the Western Front of the Great War in 1917
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  31. One would hope, in a rational society, that since the MP’s are elected by the people to represent their interests, including the PM, and the PM appoints the Governor General (monarch’s representative in Canada), that would indicate that loyalty to the Crown is loyalty to the people, especially since the monarch is considered the final last resort of the people if Parliament begins to work against the interests of the people. I won’t get into the fact that our Governor General is the PM’s hand-picked puppet. CSIS seems to be saying that the MP’s, including the PMO, are not a disinterested party in this Chinese interference because they have benefited from it and likely looked the other way. The price of this Faustian bargain, of course, is that our Liberal leadership are now beholden to the Chinese and inextricably linked to the various tethers of clubs, associations, “police stations”, study groups, news media, etc. that are funded and installed by China. The bigger problem for Canada is that this kind of influence could take hold, grow, and endure. Even in the days of Chrétien there was mounting concern about the amount of power held within the PMO. Even then the word “dictatorship” was used by intellectuals to describe how the PM ruled: the whipped votes, reliance on unelected advisors, and so on. I think that tendency has only grown under the Telford-Trudeau PMO and Cabinet. That this quasi-dictatorship appears to be in bed with China is a serious concern for Canadian democracy.
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  32. there is no requirement to break the law the CSIS officer could have invoked their oath to the monarch as justification asserting that the Prime Minister is in violation of his oath, so the CSIS officer is bound to report it but that is not what the CSIS officer said the Prime Minister claims that something untoward is going on, somebody at CSIS has gone rogue in effect when the CSIS officer is invoking fealty to some sort of public rule which is not in the constitution that would lend credence to the Prime Minister's version of events furthermore, CSIS is not permitted to break the law, that is expressly prohibited but if they are breaking the law to overthrow Parliamentary Supremacy as you assert that would be sedition & mutiny by definition
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  33. A know -nothing above said Dodd Frank set off the 2007 crisis. Difficult since it was enacted in 2010. Most with a cursory knowledge of 2007 would at least know what the response was. Like if you wish know -nothings would read instead of posting here. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodd–Frank_Wall_Street_Reform_and_Consumer_Protection_Act
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  34. I'll see to it your pay is also in the mail. Coming direct from Beijing...
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  35. You've presented NO EVIDENCE YOU EVER DID.
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  36. Just look at Democrats run cities... crime infested hell holes... not even safe to ride the subway
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  37. You probably don't - over time eventually one group will come to dominate and become the gov't one way or another. But while i feel for your family the best thing for us is to stay the hell out of it and let nature take it's course. Otherwise we'll just wind up with two fists and a foot stuck in that tarbaby and we'll get dragged down with it.
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  38. I'm sorry, you're right. Just because Trump deregulated these industries, thus causing the current problems, doesn't mean he should in any way be blamed.
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  39. Depends what kind of discrimination we're talking about. If you don't have sex with men because you're a straight man, that kind of discrimination is fine. But if you refuse to hire a woman for a job solely because she's a woman, that is pretty lame. And it is illegal in most countries with anti-discrimination laws. Can y'all please open a book sometime? Trans people are not new. Recognizing the difference between sex and gender is not new. Right-wing media told you that you hate trans people now, but that doesn't mean it was always like this. For most of history, people were identified based on how they presented. Cultural Marxism is literally based on Cultural Bolshevism, a popular Nazi theory about the Jews secretly trying to destroy western society by promoting degeneracy. It's pretty much the exact same theory, but the anti-semitism is less explicit.
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  40. No more G20 conferences for Vlady.
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  41. Nonsense. His invasion IS to guarantee the security of Ukraine. Security from the illegal manipulations of the west starting in 2014...
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  42. Of course you can't. If you try, then inflation goes up and then interest rates have to go up and then you wind up into a spiral that quickly gets out of control. Gee - if only there was a modern canadian example of that happening. Anyway - if you want to find out how that ends ask greece. You cannot keep borrowing and spending without severe consequence.
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  43. The ICC requires EVIDENCE to issue an arrest warrant. Russia not so much.
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  44. You are still a shameless liar. Yes, the mob sought explicitly to overturn an election and overthrow our government. That's not even a controversial statement. Chansley is on record, you thick fark, as are others. Do you think they were there to deliver girl scout cookies? Jeebus. Nick Quested, a documentary filmmaker, captured the mood that morning. Jacob Chansley (a.k.a. the QAnon Shaman) proclaimed “this is our 1776,” vowing “Joe Biden is never getting in.” 7 An unnamed woman from Georgia, who said she hosted a podcast dedicated to a new so-called Patriot Party, also proclaimed January 6th to be the new 1776. She added an ominous warning. “I’m not allowed to say what’s going to happen today because everyone’s just going to have to watch. Something’s gonna happen, one way or the other.” 8 Oh, I'm fully aware. Without a shred of evidence, you concocted a stupid conspiracy theory about the FBI "using" retirees to release a statement on the Hunter Biden laptop. And if that weren't dumb enough, you are simply lying about the signatories. Not a single one of them is retired from the FBI. Signed by, Jim Clapper Former Director of National Intelligence Former Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Former Director of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency Former Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency Mike Hayden Former Director, Central Intelligence Agency Former Director, National Security Agency Former Principal Deputy Director of National Intelligence Leon PaneSa Former Director, Central Intelligence Agency Former Secretary of Defense John Brennan Former Director, Central Intelligence Agency Former White House Homeland Security and Counterterrorism Advisor Former Director, Terrorism Threat Integration Center Former Analyst and Operations Officer, Central Intelligence Agency Thomas Finger Former Deputy Director of National Intelligence for Analysis Former Assistant Secretary for Intelligence and Research, Department of State Former Chair, National Intelligence Council Rick LedgeS Former Deputy Director, National Security Agency John McLaughlin Former Acting Director, Central Intelligence Agency Former Deputy Director, Central Intelligence Agency Former Director of Analysis, Central Intelligence Agency Former Director, Slavic and Eurasian Analysis, Central Intelligence Agency Michael Morell Former Acting Director, Central Intelligence Agency Former Deputy Director, Central Intelligence Agency Former Director of Analysis, Central Intelligence Agency Mike Vickers Former Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Former Operations Officer, Central Intelligence Agency Doug Wise Former Deputy Director, Defense Intelligence Agency Former Senior CIA Operations Officer Nick Rasmussen Former Director, National Counterterrorism Center Russ Travers Former Acting Director, National Counterterrorism Center Former Deputy Director, National Counterterrorism Center Former Analyst of the Soviet Union and Russia, Defense Intelligence Agency Andy Liepman Former Deputy Director, National Counterterrorism Center Former Senior Intelligence Officer, Central Intelligence Agency John Moseman Former Chief of Staff, Central Intelligence Agency Former Director of Congressional Affairs, Central Intelligence Agency Former Minority Staff Director, Senate Select CommiSee on Intelligence Larry Pfeiffer Former Chief of Staff, Central Intelligence Agency Former Director, White House Situation Room Jeremy Bash Former Chief of Staff, Central Intelligence Agency Former Chief of Staff, Department of Defense Former Chief Counsel, House Permanent Select CommiSee on Intelligence Rodney Snyder Former Chief of Staff, Central Intelligence Agency Former Director of Intelligence Programs, National Security Council Chief of Station, Central Intelligence Agency Glenn Gerstell Former General Counsel, National Security Agency David B. Buckley Former Inspector General, Central Intelligence Agency Former Democratic Staff Director, House Permanent Select CommiSee on Intelligence Former Counterespionage Case Officer, United States Air Force Nada Bakos Former Analyst and Targeting Officer, Central Intelligence Agency PaSy Brandmaier Former Senior Intelligence Officer, Central Intelligence Agency Former Deputy Associate Director for Military Affairs, Central Intelligence Agency Former Deputy Director of Congressional Affairs, Central Intelligence Agency James B. Bruce Former Senior Intelligence Officer, Central Intelligence Agency Former Senior Intelligence Officer, National Intelligence Council Considerable work related to Russia David Cariens Former Intelligence Analyst, Central Intelligence Agency 50+ Years Working in the Intelligence Community Janice Cariens Former Operational Support Officer, Central Intelligence Agency Paul Kolbe Former Senior Operations Officer, Central Intelligence Agency Former Chief, Central Eurasia Division, Central Intelligence Agency Peter Corsell Former Analyst, Central Intelligence Agency BreS Davis Former Senior Intelligence Officer, Central Intelligence Agency Former Deputy Director of the Special Activities Center for Expeditionary Operations, CIA Roger Zane George Former National Intelligence Officer Steven L. Hall Former Senior Intelligence Officer, Central Intelligence Agency Former Chief of Russian Operations, Central Intelligence Agency Kent Harrington Former National Intelligence Officer for East Asia, Central Intelligence Agency Former Director of Public Affairs, Central Intelligence Agency Former Chief of Station, Central Intelligence Agency Former Analyst, Central Intelligence Agency Don Hepburn Former Senior National Security Executive Timothy D. Kilbourn Former Dean, Sherman Kent School of Intelligence Analysis, Central Intelligence Agency Former PDB Briefer to President George W. Bush, Central Intelligence Agency Ron Marks Former Officer, Central Intelligence Agency Twice former staff of the Republican Majority Leader Jonna Hiestand Mendez Technical Operations Officer, Central Intelligence Agency Emile Nakhleh Former Director of the Political Islam Strategic Analysis Program, Central Intelligence Agency Former Senior Intelligence Analyst, Central Intelligence Agency Gerald A. O’Shea Senior Operations Officer, Central Intelligence Agency Served four tours as Chief of Station, Central Intelligence Agency David Priess Former Analyst and Manager, Central Intelligence Agency Former PDB Briefer, Central Intelligence Agency Pam Purcilly Former Deputy Director of Analysis, Central Intelligence Agency Former Director of the Office of Russian and European Analysis, Central Intelligence Agency Former PDB Briefer to President George W. Bush, Central Intelligence Agency Marc Polymeropoulos Former Senior Operations Officer, Central Intelligence Agency Former Acting Chief of Operations for Europe and Eurasia, Central Intelligence Agency Chris Savos Former Senior Intelligence Officer, Central Intelligence Officer Nick Shapiro Former Deputy Chief of Staff and Senior Advisor to the Director, Central Intelligence Agency John Sipher Former Senior Operations Officer, Central Intelligence Agency Former Deputy Chief of Russian Operations, Central Intelligence Agency Stephen Slick Former Senior Director for Intelligence Programs, National Security Council Former Senior Operations Office, Central Intelligence Agency Cynthia Strand Former Deputy Assistant Director for Global Issues, Central Intelligence Agency Greg Tarbell Former Deputy Executive Director, Central Intelligence Agency Former Analyst of the Soviet Union and Russia, Central Intelligence Agency David Terry Former Chairman of the National Intelligence Collection Board Former Chief of the PDB, Central Intelligence Agency Former PDB Briefer to Vice President Dick Cheney, Central Intelligence Agency Greg Treverton Former Chair, National Intelligence Council John Tullius Former Senior Intelligence Officer, Central Intelligence Agency David A. Vanell Former Senior Operations Officer, Central Intelligence Agency Winston Wiley Former Director of Analysis, Central Intelligence Agency Former Chief, Counterterrorism Center, Central Intelligence Agency Kristin Wood Former Senior Intelligence Officer, Central Intelligence Agency Former PDB Briefer, Central Intelligence Agency If he was convicted? Jeebus, it's not a hypothetical. He was convicted. And excellent work rebutting a point that no one tried to make. Also true, the Oath Keeper convictions also don't mean that Ben Affleck is guilty of sedition. Or Heidi Klum. Any other individuals we should list? Seditious is an adjective, jackass, not an adverb. It necessarily describes the mob and the people in the mob, but not necessarily the act of rioting. You are the only one who has used the word "seditiously." Many in the mob were indeed seditious and are on record encouraging actions like storming the capitol. And indeed, some have been convicted of sedition already. And again, there's an argument to be made that the very act of storming the capitol was itself a call and encouragement for others to overthrow this government, ala the Boston Tea Party.
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  45. He's learned a lot about Republican voters from watching Trump. ?
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  46. Not only ^this, but Russia was signatory to the Budapest Memorandum guaranteeing the SECURITY OF UKRAINE in return for nuclear divestiture. Putin VIOLATED that agreement with his invasion and put a stake in the heart of nuclear non-proliferation. He cannot be trusted.
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  47. You can supposed any fantasy you want, but it has NOTHING TO DO with the REALITY of what happened on Jan 6th. AKA, YOUR speculation is meaningless. You can't even cite a legal expert to back it, let alone a consensus.
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